Is MMA/UFC a "sport" for the uneducated, morons, inbreds and savages?

**hougigo** · 07-07-12, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by frogsrangers

MMA and UFC are a total joke, I can't believe people actually watch it.

Watching 2 people try to beat the crap out of each other just sounds savage like and uncivilized to me.

Boxing is far superior.

UFC and MMA is just a battle of who has the most screws loose. No normal person could take that kind of punishment. Only time I ever watched UFC I saw some guy pick up the other guy by his feet and slam his face into the ground as if he were swinging a sledgehammer onto a slab. The guy's face was busted and blood was everywhere. He kept swinging him around until the fight was called. Why would anyone want to watch such a thing?

I have noticed that the people who like to watch UFC/MMA and are fans of it also tend to be the uneducated moronic type. You know, the person who probably barely graduated high school if they did at all, walks around wearing tapout shirts, and has an IQ of that of a rock. The type of person who won't watch baseball because its not fast enough or a contact sport, who won't watch Pixar movies because they think they are kiddy, the person always trying to assert their toughnes, manliness, and how much of a badass they are; but its always all talk and no walk.

I watch boxing way more than MMA/UFC, but it's pretty much the same thing right there.
Both sports have fighters who aren't technical and swing for the fences and both have fighters who're smart and actually fight that way.
And you're stereotyping

**Smoke** · 07-07-12, 10:50 PM

Mostly inbreds

**Vinnie Paz** · 07-07-12, 10:51 PM

Stick to golf then bud

**AribaAriba** · 07-07-12, 11:02 PM

humans always have violence tendency and it traces to our roots on gladiators killing one another to supplement entertainment. nothing changes here, as some cant stomach the human violence while certain actually see the arts on it. if u practice or had experience doing the sports u might have appreciated to art of it.

**Rich Boy** · 07-07-12, 11:07 PM

You dont see celebrities going to MMA fights, but you see them at all the top boxing matches

They cant be seen in those places.

**ttrace35** · 07-07-12, 11:10 PM

This thread is gay. You sound like my bitch talking.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 07-07-12, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Rich Boy

You dont see celebrities going to MMA fights, but you see them at all the top boxing matches

They cant be seen in those places.

Have you ever been to a UFC fight? Lot's of celebrities show up. Early in the beginning there wasn't much of a following but today it's a great show. I've been going for almost 2 decades now and the sport is probably more popular than boxing today. I love boxing and it's still my favorite but it's getting watered down with a bunch of little guys fighting as the heavyweight division has been trash for 2 decades as well, which has vaulted UFC. Also, all these bullshit decisions has hurt the sport as well. Too much corruption that leaves the fans dissatisfied.

BTW - a lot of the dream team basketball players are there tonight along with plenty of celebrities. It's just harder to see them behind a fence.

**DublinMeUp** · 07-07-12, 11:13 PM

This thread is a waste of time, go away

**SportsPedagogy** · 07-07-12, 11:17 PM

lol Troll... go get a blackbelt in BJJ then comeback and talk

**yisman** · 07-07-12, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Rich Boy

You dont see celebrities going to MMA fights, but you see them at all the top boxing matches

They cant be seen in those places.

LeBron is at UFC 148. They showed him.

I don't see how boxing could be considered better than UFC, although I'm not a big fan of either one.

**yisman** · 07-07-12, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Have you ever been to a UFC fight? Lot's of celebrities show up. Early in the beginning there wasn't much of a following but today it's a great show. I've been going for almost 2 decades now and the sport is probably more popular than boxing today. I love boxing and it's still my favorite but it's getting watered down with a bunch of little guys fighting as the heavyweight division has been trash for 2 decades as well, which has vaulted UFC. Also, all these bullshit decisions has hurt the sport as well. Too much corruption that leaves the fans dissatisfied.

BTW - a lot of the dream team basketball players are there tonight along with plenty of celebrities. It's just harder to see them behind a fence.

I think UFC has clearly surpassed boxing, and as you said, there are often celebrities at these bouts.

**hougigo** · 07-07-12, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by yisman

I think UFC has clearly surpassed boxing, and as you said, there are often celebrities at these bouts.

Surprassed boxing.... how?

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 07-07-12, 11:21 PM

how many boxers have died in a ring? how many mma fighters have died in an octogon?

/thread

**ttrace35** · 07-07-12, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by hougigo

Surprassed boxing.... how?

Only 2 money makers left in boxing. Pacman and mayweather. Boxing has no big name young fighters. A couple years from now boxing ppv's will be $20 bux.

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**5mike5** · 07-07-12, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by hougigo

Surprassed boxing.... how?

becuase UFC is actually relevant and no1 cares about boxing

only die hard boxing nuts havent heard it died 10 years ago

**yisman** · 07-07-12, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by hougigo

Surprassed boxing.... how?

In every way possible. UFC is simply more popular these days.

What is boxing? The fight people actually wanted to see for years, simply hasn't happened because the fighters can't agree on anything.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 07-07-12, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn

how many boxers have died in a ring? how many mma fighters have died in an octogon?

/thread

If UFC went 15 or 12 rounds there would be plenty of deaths... Matches are also stopped much quicker than boxing IMO, which I'm not against.

**Koldazzice** · 07-07-12, 11:30 PM

Whats it say about me that I loved UFC better when there was no weight classes and you got royce gracie vs a 300lber and his 100lb would get beat down then randomly get someone in a ankle lock and break their shit to win - no time limit - awww the good ol days

**probettor1** · 07-07-12, 11:33 PM

This thread would have been real 15 years ago, but nowdays millions and millions of people watch it, 1 million PPV, most people invite over friends and families, that could count for 5 millions people watching, then the sportsbars get crowded, maybe another million, then people who doenst have the money and see it later for free, millions of people again. This has become the fastest growing sports. I work in the healthcare industry and every one, doctors, practitioners, nurse, lab tech, phy. therapist, watch this fights, frequently or occasionally. I have notice that girls and guy with strong female tendencies are against it. Boxing will die, with the fix fights, head butting and KO to deffenseless fighters it just sucks. MMA is barbarian, but we live in harsh times and people look for a escape. dana is doing a great job with the advertisement too.

**AribaAriba** · 07-07-12, 11:40 PM

my generation would watch more mma but boxing would always be there as it has been for the past 100+ years.

**SportsPedagogy** · 07-08-12, 12:12 AM

Cheerleading is the most dangerous sport in the world. Fact. MMA is a puzzle and boxing is a peice. You can not be one demensional and survive in MMA. A great boxer might beat a decent MMA striker with good takedown defense, but they would get raped by a wrestler or submitted by BJJ guy. You have to account for so much. Look at James Toney vs Couture

**convick** · 07-08-12, 12:19 AM

More than a few sports fit your description. More stuff to gamble on is the way i see it.

**TheCentaur** · 07-08-12, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Koldazzice

Whats it say about me that I loved UFC better when there was no weight classes and you got royce gracie vs a 300lber and his 100lb would get beat down then randomly get someone in a ankle lock and break their shit to win - no time limit - awww the good ol days

Also there were no gloves and no rules except for no biting and no fish hooking

**SportsPedagogy** · 07-08-12, 12:47 AM

The gloves were actually started by fighters (Tank Abbott) because they kept breaking their hand

**The Kraken** · 07-08-12, 12:48 AM

Fishing is the most imbred sport of all. I've seen guys catch a fish and just bite the damn thing. not eat it, just bite it. Really odd.

**texhooper** · 07-08-12, 12:54 AM

1998 called...it wants the op's viewpoint back...

**probettor1** · 07-08-12, 01:00 AM

The best MMA fights are the one in youporn with the naked girls, that rape each other at the end. I wonder what has to say about that ones sportspedagogy. Can he predict which chick will eat pusssie first?

**AraiWa** · 07-08-12, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by ttrace35

Only 2 money makers left in boxing. Pacman and mayweather. Boxing has no big name young fighters. A couple years from now boxing ppv's will be $20 bux.

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Completely untrue. While I love MMA and I'm involved in the sport of boxing, boxers still make more money on the whole than MMA guys.

Also, I don't know where you're from but what I'll say about no young big name boxers is that many people in the US haven't a clue on what goes on in boxing in other countries. There is a ton of talent fighting in Russia, the former Soviet Republic, Germany, the UK, and Japan that unless you're a hard core fan, even in boxing's heyday you wouldn't have heard of. That said, this is part of the problem; the US market is considered the market to make the big money. It's not always true but for the most part it is.

Take the rather boring Chris John. Huge star in his country, but in the US, no body cared about him because his fights were never televised in the US and he wasn't brought out and given to the public for them to latch on to. Plus he's Indonesian which makes it even more difficult. He made $200-$250K a fight IN INDONESIA! Now this is good money there, big money. But he's a huge star there. He came to the US and made exactly the same dough. Why come to the US then? It doesn't make good business sense if you can simply fight at home and make the same money. Make the other guy travel. But I digress...

Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez, Sergio Martinez, Joe Calzaghe and quite a few others all make a million-two million a fight, not including endorsements or PPV, and they're not heavyweights. Haye and Chisora are a step below the elite level now and both are making in the neighborhood of a million and a half a fight for their fight not including endorsements and sponsors.

I know of a couple of British and European champions who were making $300-$400K and most regularly make $200K just for defending their regional titles. I believe Bernard Dunne, who was only 122lbs, made something like a half a million for his world title defense with Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym in Ireland.

The thing with boxing, and most people forget this, is it's a sport for the poor. So nationalities who have less opportunity and who are at the time in the middle of bad economic times tend to shine. Right now Russians are more and more a force and they are doing well in their fights, financially speaking.

So while boxers fighting in the US may not be earning as much as a group as they once did, boxing is still extremely popular and a huge money maker outside of the country. BTW - PPV in Thailand is largely free, as it is in the PI and Indonesia. Lots of countries don't pay PPV and this is where the shortfall can be made in the future. $20 PPV's aren't going to happen. At least not if I'm involved in the negotiations they're not.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 07-08-12, 01:54 AM

^^^Solid post.

To add - MMA fighters make peanuts compared to the average boxer. It's very inequitable for their fighters. You're better off wrestling...

One issue in the US right now is that many Black and White kids aren't taking up the sport like in the past. US boxing is becoming pro Mexican and Hispanic which hasn't caught on outside of their communities just yet. If the US can get a Hispanic heavyweight to compete with European/Russian guys, it could really boost the sport here. We like heavyweights... that's where the nation, including woman tune in. Woman did the long ball and the big punch. They don't get real excited watching men shorter than themselves.

**probettor1** · 07-08-12, 02:11 AM

March 12 - Showtime PPV
Miguel Cotto ($1,000,000) TKO-12 Ricardo Mayorga ($50,000)
Miguel Vazquez ($150,000) UD-12 Leonardo Zappavigna ($65,000)
Pawel Wolak ($75,000) RTD-6 Yuri Foreman ($100,000)
Matt Korobov ($10,000) TKO-1 Michael Walker ($7,000)
Juan Gonzalez ($3,500) TKO-1 Jeremy McLaurin ($4,500)
Eric Molina ($8,000) TKO-6 Joseph Rabotte ($4,000)
Jesus Rojas ($3,000) UD-6 Isaac Hidalgo ($3,000)
Tommy Zbikowski ($50,000) TKO-1 Richard Bryant ($1,500)
Total Payout: $1,534,500

February 5 - UFC 126 PPV
Anderson Silva: $200,000 (includes no win bonus) def. Vitor Belfort: $275,000
Forrest Griffin: $275,000 ($150,000 win bonus) def. Rich Franklin: $75,000
Jon Jones: $140,000 ($70,000 win bonus) def. Ryan Bader: $20,000
Jake Ellenberger: $32,000 ($16,000 win bonus) def. Carlos Eduardo Rocha: $8,000
Miguel Torres: $56,000 ($28,000 win bonus) def. Antonio Banuelos: $9,000
Donald Cerrone: $36,000 ($18,000 win bonus) def. Paul Kelly: $19,000
Chad Mendes: $19,000 ($9,500 win bonus) def. Michihiro Omigawa: $8,000
Demetrious Johnson: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus) def. Norifumi Yamamoto: $15,000
Paul Taylor: $36,000 ($18,000 win bonus) def. Gabe Ruediger: $8,000
Kyle Kingsbury: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus) def. Ricardo Romero: $10,000
Mike Pierce: $28,000 ($14,000 win bonus) def. Kenny Robertson: $6,000
Total Payout: $1,305,000 + 300,000 reported bonuses = $1,605,000

**probettor1** · 07-08-12, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

^^^Solid post.

To add - MMA fighters make peanuts compared to the average boxer. It's very inequitable for their fighters. You're better off wrestling...

One issue in the US right now is that many Black and White kids aren't taking up the sport like in the past. US boxing is becoming pro Mexican and Hispanic which hasn't caught on outside of their communities just yet. If the US can get a Hispanic heavyweight to compete with European/Russian guys, it could really boost the sport here. We like heavyweights... that's where the nation, including woman tune in. Woman did the long ball and the big punch. They don't get real excited watching men shorter than themselves.

You will need to change the word average, the correct word is peanuts compare to top boxers(mayweather, pacquiao, de la oya) but the average make about the same. See my previous post for proof.

**iQon** · 07-08-12, 02:17 AM

Oh great. Another boxing vs. MMA thread on the internet.

**probettor1** · 07-08-12, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by iQon

Oh great. Another boxing vs. MMA thread on the internet.

There is nothing to fight about, if you like boxing, you still can watch MMA, there is a lot of boxing in MMA too. If you like karate, kick boxing, judo, wresting, jiu jitsu or Muay tai you still can watch MMA, but then you wouldnt be interesting in boxing. If you want to learn self deffense, in case you are in a street fight MMA will help, boxing could help but not always. Both are about the same thing, but MMA require a lot more skills and strategy, because you need all the skills and knowledge of a boxer and all the other disciplines. There are people for every thing, even boxing, marathon and baseball.

**Vaughany** · 07-08-12, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by Rich Boy

You dont see celebrities going to MMA fights, but you see them at all the top boxing matches

They cant be seen in those places.

Oh right, tht wasnt Lebron James sat in the front row at 148 last night then!