Supreme Court ingame decision thread

[PAULYPOKER]

The truth is ObamaCare enacts the largest tax increases in history. The truth is this president promised not to raise taxes in a recession, saying that would be the worst thing if we care about economic recovery. He made that promise during the campaign in ’08 and he repeated it in office. Once again, he lies to the American people and breaks his word: a man without integrity. (But remember: for Alinskyites, integrity is irrelevant. Prevailing by any means is the only virtue. Even so, there are political realities.)

ObamaCare was enacted through the most devious means imaginable. It was a corrupt process driven by a corrupt president with the aid of corrupt politicians. Americans don’t like that. Aside from being the biggest tax increase in history, ObamaCare ushers in an age of federal supremacy on a scale approaching tyranny. Americans don’t like that either.

If the central government can approve or deny medical care, it can also arbitrarily decide which laws to enforce, such as immigration law or the Defense of Marriage Act. And if the federal government can dictate most anything by acting outside the rule of law, then liberty dies. If the rule of law dies, the rule of chaos takes over.

[rkelly110]

Off subject of what you guys are talking about, but I got a little pissed at the Repub response about the health care
issue. I took the time to write my Repub congressman and told him any action on his part to stop this bill, would result
in me finding someone else to do his job.

I'm sick of these fcks always being part of the problem. They lost, now do something to make this country great
again. Now if everyone here would do the same, even if it's not about the health care issue, to tell these fcks
we're sick of the bickering and get something done! Maybe they might get their shit together!

[rkelly110]

Thanks Chalky. If we told our people we elect more of what we thought, maybe WE can change what's going on.

[andywend]

It's total BS that someone like you (or even someone who could afford to pay some) can just go uninsured knowing that you'll be treated when necessary even though you'd never be able to foot the tab. Freeloader.

I agree with this completely. As long as emergency rooms around the country are forced to treat people who can't or won't pay for the medical services they need, then everyone should be forced to purchase medical insurance. The requirement of having to purchase medical insurance is the ONLY GOOD THING about ObamaCare.

Under ObamaCare, the 10%-15% of the people who don't have medical insurance are going to overwhelm the system. Go into any internist/pediatrician's office in poor areas and you'll find 100's of people in the waiting room each and every day. Life-long welfare collectors have all the time in the world to sit in the Dr.'s office and wait for themselves or little Jose to be seen for the slightest sniffle.

The terrible thing is that hard working families where both parents work don't have time to sit in a Doctors office all day, so hard working families will wind up going without the medical care they need while welfare collecting leeches suck up all the medical services.

Under the current system, these "cattle call" physician offices are limited to poorer areas. Under ObamaCare, they will be EVERYWHERE.

Doctors and nurses are going to wind up having 3X the patient load making less money than they do now and many doctor's offices will wind up closing.

The demand for medical services are going to skyrocket since it will be free and unlimited while the supply is going to be reduced leading to extremely long wait times and rationing of medical care services.

Socialized medicine countries like France, Germany, Canada don't have the same level of leeches as the U.S. and as bad as socialized medicine is in those countries, it will be FAR WORSE here in the U.S.

I see Obama is starting to creep up back to the mid 50's after today's Supreme Court announcement even though the decision will greatly lessen his chances of being re-elected.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Socialized medicine countries like France, Germany, Canada don't have the same level of leeches as the U.S. and as bad as socialized medicine is in those countries, it will be FAR WORSE here in the U.S.

Amen. What's next, andywend? Is Obama gonna make us take four weeks of paid vacation like Germany? Or five to seven weeks like France?

We're so fukked.

[Cougar Bait]

I would quote my own previous post but there really is no reason at this point.

[DwightShrute]

Why Chief Justice Roberts Made the Right Long-Term Decision With ObamaCare

Bert Atkinson Jr. June 28, 2012 3:59 pm

This article, written by I.M. Citizen, gives a much different perspective of Justice Robert’s decision. Comment below and let us know what you think. Also check out I.M. Citizen’s blog – quite interesting.
I.M. Citizen:
Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.
It will be a short-lived celebration.
Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.
Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.
Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?
Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown threw his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/9398-why-chief-justice-roberts-made-the-right-long-term-decision-with-obamacare/

[Darkside Magick]

Amen. What's next, andywend? Is Obama gonna make us take four weeks of paid vacation like Germany? Or five to seven weeks like France?


We're so fukked.

Might work.....Germans make the best quality shyt on the planet

[MonkeyF0cker]

Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family...

That's my favorite part of the article.

Hilarious.

[DwightShrute]

That's my favorite part of the article.

Hilarious.

mine too. Interesting perspective though.

[Cougar Bait]

That's my favorite part of the article.

Hilarious.

Right. Because if you disagree with the Health Care Mandate you must be a violent right-winger

[PAULYPOKER]

The only healthcare system that will work is universal, with the profit hungry insurance giants eliminated, after all these criminals are the only reason healthcare is expensive in the 1st place.......

This will never happen because the Elite is all that matters in this world............

[Cougar Bait]

I like your avatar Pauly. Today Kennedy would be a Republican.

PRO Military
ANTI Abortion

[Shaudius]

I agree with this completely. As long as emergency rooms around the country are forced to treat people who can't or won't pay for the medical services they need, then everyone should be forced to purchase medical insurance. The requirement of having to purchase medical insurance is the ONLY GOOD THING about ObamaCare.

Under ObamaCare, the 10%-15% of the people who don't have medical insurance are going to overwhelm the system. Go into any internist/pediatrician's office in poor areas and you'll find 100's of people in the waiting room each and every day. Life-long welfare collectors have all the time in the world to sit in the Dr.'s office and wait for themselves or little Jose to be seen for the slightest sniffle.

The terrible thing is that hard working families where both parents work don't have time to sit in a Doctors office all day, so hard working families will wind up going without the medical care they need while welfare collecting leeches suck up all the medical services.

Under the current system, these "cattle call" physician offices are limited to poorer areas. Under ObamaCare, they will be EVERYWHERE.

Doctors and nurses are going to wind up having 3X the patient load making less money than they do now and many doctor's offices will wind up closing.

The demand for medical services are going to skyrocket since it will be free and unlimited while the supply is going to be reduced leading to extremely long wait times and rationing of medical care services.

Socialized medicine countries like France, Germany, Canada don't have the same level of leeches as the U.S. and as bad as socialized medicine is in those countries, it will be FAR WORSE here in the U.S.

I see Obama is starting to creep up back to the mid 50's after today's Supreme Court announcement even though the decision will greatly lessen his chances of being re-elected.

If this is what you actually believe will happen you have no idea what the individual mandate even does. How is more people being insured going to flood doctors offices in a massive way(see statistics below)? How is it socialized medicine, you still have to pay for shit your insurance doesn't cover. Its not free healthcare, its just more people who instead of having no health coverage and maybe not seeing the doctor for a physical, instead having health coverage and seeing the doctor for a physical or not having to pay as much when they go to the hospital after a car accident and have no insurance. The two new groups covered are people who didn't have health insurance by choice who must now either buy it or face a penalty(nothing actually requires that they opt for the insurance path) and people with preexisting conditions who couldn't get coverage before. Either group would still have to seek medical attention in an emergency.

Roughly the same amount of people will require emergency care, roughly the same amount of people will receive emergency care, yes a few more people who get routine care than did before because they will have insurance that covers it, but those people who didn't have health insurance were generally healthy barring needing emergency care anyway or were sick and putting off care and this will make it so they don't strain the emergency system as much by getting care when they first need it with their insurance.

So if anything it will also have the opposite effect in some cases, rather than flooding emergency rooms, those who were uninsured because of preexisting conditions will now be able to see doctors more regularly preventing flooding of emergency care and allowing for more timely treatment of diseases and ailments that will allow for less waiting time in emergency rooms for those who wait until things get really bad to see a doctor because they lack insurance.

This may, you are right lead to a small uptick in waiting times in general practitioners offices, but it will also put less strain on other aspects of the healthcare system, I fail to see where you get that its going to lead to anywhere near a 3x patient load. Afterall how could that possibly be the case? 85% of people have health insurance already, 15% don't, even if all 15% sought care now that they didn't before that's an increase of 16% from 85% to 100%, a threefold increase would be an increase in patients of 300% so that's 20xs the amount of additional potential patients Obamacare creates.

[PAULYPOKER]

I like your avatar Pauly. Today Kennedy would be a Republican.

PRO Military
ANTI Abortion

No, he would be independent,he would despise both criminal self serving parties,JFK was the only president who fought for the people, for this very reason he was forever silenced..............

He was ANTI ELITE/secret societies/false flag operations/ETC.

[Cougar Bait]

No, he would be independent,he would despise both criminal self serving parties,JFK was the only president who fought for the people, for this very reason he was forever silenced..............

He was ANTI ELITE/secret societies/false flag operations/ETC.

Independents are not normally BOTH pro military and anti abortion which JFK was.

[PAULYPOKER]

Independents are not normally BOTH pro military and anti abortion which JFK was.

From 1962 until now, both parties evolved into a criminal empire for the Elite, something JFK was publicly opposed of......

Just because he believed in military and anti abortion does not make him a republican in today's day and age,this is a whole new political monster............

[andywend]

I fail to see where you get that its going to lead to anywhere near a 3x patient load. Afterall how could that possibly be the case? 85% of people have health insurance already, 15% don't, even if all 15% sought care now that they didn't before that's an increase of 16% from 85% to 100%, a threefold increase would be an increase in patients of 300% so that's 20xs the amount of additional potential patients Obamacare creates.

Shaudius, you're assuming that the bottom 15% will only use an average amount of medical care services as compared to the remaining 85% and that's where your logic is extremely flawed.

You're making assumptions that have no basis in fact and you clearly have no idea what is actually happening now. Therefore, you are NOT in a position to make any kind of analysis as to what will happen if ObamaCare is fully implemented.

I have sold disability and life insurance to physicians for over 20 years and met with over 5,000 physicians during that 20 year period. I met with physicians covering the entire specialty spectrum and in affluent areas as well as poor ones. In order to become as successful as I could possibly be, I found it worthwhile to spend many hours talking with physicians in regards to all aspects of their medical practices.

As part of the underwriting process, tax returns were required and you would be amazed at how much money physicians in poor areas made solely dealing with medicaid patients. You would be even more amazed when learning how poorly medicaid pays these physicians for the medical services performed.

If you're interested, I could go into great detail about the mindset of people in the bottom 10% and it shouldn't surprise you to learn that when someone else is paying the tab, this bottom 10% abuses medical care more than you could possibly imagine.

We are all guilty of making thinly substantiated claims without knowing what the hell we're talking about and that is the case with you and most liberal democrats when it comes to trying to predict what the medical landscape is going to look like if ObamaCare winds up being fully implemented (both legislatively and financially).

After speaking with 1000's of physicians, I have a pretty good idea as to what is going to happen and all of the things Americans have taken for granted in regards to their medical care will not be there under an ObamaCare socialized medicine system.

Before responding back about what ObamaCare is designed to do, you have to realize that once its fully enacted, there will have to be major adjustments made as the private sector is pushed out of medical care with the federal and state governments filling those huge gaps.

Unfortunately, once the U.S. goes down the road of converting its medical care system from private to public, it will be impossible to go back for all sorts of reasons.

The federal/state governments have taken on the responsibility of managing education, social security, medicare, etc and have failed miserably in all of them.

Our country's public educational system is an absolute joke with unions hijacking the system to enrich its members as opposed to delivering a quality education to our children. Social security and medicare are both completely unsustainable long-term piling up TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of unfunded liabilities which are country will NEVER be able to cover.

In my opinion, today's SCOTUS decision ensures Obama's defeat come November and perhaps Chief Justice Roberts was thinking just that when making his decision to break ranks on this healthcare issue.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Imagine that, andywend sells insurance - the biggest scam in the world.

Shocking really.

[DwightShrute]

Imagine that, andywend sells insurance - the biggest scam in the world.

Shocking really.

what does that even mean?

[Cougar Bait]

what does that even mean?

Pretty straightforward

[opie1988]

Pretty straightforward

How is selling insurance a scam? For that matter, how is insurance a scam period?

I agree that it's a major bitch to have to pay out the as for it (which, as a business owner, I damn sure do!), but not sure how this applies to what Andy said?

[MonkeyF0cker]

How is selling insurance a scam? For that matter, how is insurance a scam period?

I agree that it's a major bitch to have to pay out the as for it (which, as a business owner, I damn sure do!), but not sure how this applies to what Andy said?

It doesn't apply to what andy said at all. Simply an observation.

You don't think that insurance is a scam? It's a for-profit industry that pays your bills with money UPFRONT. It's a reverse loan with ridiculous interest. Then, when you do have a claim, they do their best not to "cover" you for certain things.

Let's do this, Opie. You give me $250/month for three years. I'll then buy you a car. I might change the make, model, color, interior, etc. at any time, but I'll just write you a letter saying that it's at MY discretion what YOU get. You can always drop the plan, but you're not getting any money back. And, if you actually do order the car when the time comes, I'm going to drop you from my "insurance." I only want people who pay me but don't actually buy the car.

Deal?

[Cougar Bait]

How is selling insurance a scam? For that matter, how is insurance a scam period?

I agree that it's a major bitch to have to pay out the as for it (which, as a business owner, I damn sure do!), but not sure how this applies to what Andy said?

Personally I don't give a fuk what Andy said. I used to work in insurance. Almost 3 years. Every salesman I ever met was a scumbag. I couldn't wake up and lie to people every day so I got out. Experience. Real world experience in a matter. That's what many conversations around here lack lately.

[andywend]

Imagine that, andywend sells insurance - the biggest scam in the world.

Shocking really.

I've sold disability, life and medical insurance to over 1,000 physicians with each one of them accomplishing more than you ever could in 1,000 lifetimes.

You don't think that insurance is a scam? It's a for-profit industry that pays your bills with money UPFRONT. It's a reverse loan with ridiculous interest. Then, when you do have a claim, they do their best not to "cover" you for certain things.

Let's do this, Opie. You give me $250/month for three years. I'll then buy you a car. I might change the make, model, color, interior, etc. at any time, but I'll just write you a letter saying that it's at MY discretion what YOU get. You can always drop the plan, but you're not getting any money back. And, if you actually do order the car when the time comes, I'm going to drop you from my "insurance." I only want people who pay me but don't buy the car.

A classic example of:

We are all guilty of making thinly substantiated claims without knowing what the hell we're talking about

Personally I don't give a fuk what Andy said. I used to work in insurace. Almost 3 years. Every salesman I ever met was a scumbag. I couldn't wake up and lie to people every day so I got out. Experience. Real world experience in a matter. That's what many conversations around here lack lately.

Cougar, from point of sale to any claims that arose, I was always a phone call away from my clients.

If you left the business after 3 years, it was only because you failed at it. If it makes you feel better to deflect all of your personal shortcomings, you certainly wouldn't be the first and definitely won't be the last.

Winners don't have to make excuses. Losers vote democrat.

[big0mar]

How is selling insurance a scam? For that matter, how is insurance a scam period?

I agree that it's a major bitch to have to pay out the as for it (which, as a business owner, I damn sure do!), but not sure how this applies to what Andy said?

-EV

[Cougar Bait]

I've sold disability, life and medical insurance to over 1,000 physicians with each one of them accomplishing more than you ever could in 1,000 lifetimes.

Since you are unable to get along with anyone, aren't you forced to scrape out a meager living trying to relieve tourists of their money at low limit poker tables?

Face it Monkey, in the real world, the best you could do is be my shineboy.

Can't you boys even muster an avatar? Jesus that's embarrassing.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I've sold disability, life and medical insurance to over 1,000 physicians with each one of them accomplishing more than you ever could in 1,000 lifetimes.

It's funny that you bring up this...

We are all guilty of making thinly substantiated claims without knowing what the hell we're talking about

and then go on to make inferences about me. LOL.

My analogy is REALLY far off. Isn't it, Andy? Care to tell me how? I mean insurance is REALLY complex.

And the physicians have accomplished more than me? What about you? Don't worry, I know your answer. LOL.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Can't you boys even muster an avatar? Jesus that's embarrassing.

It was requested that my avatar be taken down. So I obliged.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Cougar, from point of sale to any claims that arose, I was always a phone call away from my clients.

If you left the business after 3 years, it was only because you failed at it. If it makes you feel better to deflect all of your personal shortcomings, you certainly wouldn't be the first and definitely won't be the last.

Winners don't have to make excuses. Losers vote democrat.

Didn't see you add this. I love how you ALWAYS over-generalize and insult other people. Not just ANYONE could sell fukking insurance. LOL.

You must have a tiny wiener.

[Cougar Bait]

I've sold disability, life and medical insurance to over 1,000 physicians with each one of them accomplishing more than you ever could in 1,000 lifetimes.A classic example of:

Cougar, from point of sale to any claims that arose, I was always a phone call away from my clients.

If you left the business after 3 years, it was only because you failed at it. If it makes you feel better to deflect all of your personal shortcomings, you certainly wouldn't be the first and definitely won't be the last.

Winners don't have to make excuses. Losers vote democrat.

I didn't make excuses. That's what happened. My superiors lied every day to make a sale. I didn't feel like being a scumbag forever. You don't know me. I do very well. I make a lot more than most people my age. Now go suck Romney's dick you pink tie bitch.

[DwightShrute]

I've sold disability, life and medical insurance to over 1,000 physicians with each one of them accomplishing more than you ever could in 1,000 lifetimes.A classic example of:

Cougar, from point of sale to any claims that arose, I was always a phone call away from my clients.

If you left the business after 3 years, it was only because you failed at it. If it makes you feel better to deflect all of your personal shortcomings, you certainly wouldn't be the first and definitely won't be the last.

Winners don't have to make excuses. Losers know nothing else.

I was a financial planner in Canada once. Insurance is smart business and successful people know that. In fact, key-man insurance is something many employers demanded and were willing to pay for it. Nothing was more satisfying than to be able to hand over a check to someone if they got disabled or to their loved ones if a death happened. It kept businesses alive, kept children and spouses in the same home when a tragedy arose. I still get birthday wishes from a client that I sold life insurance to her hubby less than a month before he was struck head-on by a truck. She was pregnant and had a 2 year old at the time. That was 11 years ago. Because of what I did, they were able to stay in their home despite the awful tragedy. I can go on and on.

[andywend]

It's funny that you bring up this...
and then go on to make inferences about me. LOL.My analogy is REALLY far off. Isn't it, Andy? Care to tell me how? I mean insurance is REALLY complex.

Since you didn't specifically clarify, I'll assume you're talking about medical insurance. Are you talking about individual medical insurance, small group or large group coverage as all 3 are structured differently.

Which one would you like to be educated on? If you really don't care and posted back just to make an ass out of yourself (which you do quite often), please say so as I don't want to waste my time.

If you're considering buying medical insurance and want to make a more educated decision, I'll take the time to help you even though you really don't deserve my assistance.

And the physicians have accomplished more than me? What about you? Don't worry, I know your answer. LOL

That's right, you know my answer and suffice it to say, I sure wouldn't trade places with you.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I was a financial planner in Canada once. Insurance is smart business and successful people know that. In fact, key-man insurance is something many employers demanded and were willing to pay for it. Nothing was more satisfying than to be able to hand over a check to someone if they got disabled or to their loved ones if a death happened. It kept businesses alive, kept children and spouses in the same home when a tragedy arose. I still get birthday wishes from a client that I sold life insurance to her hubby less than a month before he was struck head-on by a truck. She was pregnant and had a 2 year old at the time. That was 11 years ago. Because of what I did, they were able to stay in their home despite the awful tragedy. I can go on and on.

OMG. Dwight AND Andy are insurance salesmen. LOL.

Nothing was more satisfying than to be able to hand over a check to someone if they got disabled or to their loved ones if a death happened.

That should be a sig. "OMG I'm so glad your loved one died so that I could hand you a check!" LMAO.

GTFOH.

[DwightShrute]

I didn't make excuses. That's what happened. My superiors lied every day to make a sale. I didn't feel like being a scumbag forever.

too bad. My experience is the exact opposite. We sold based on teh clients needs not what earned more commission. Ya there were some other salesmen at other places that weren't as ethical but they never lasted long. I am sure there were some at out company also but there are good and bad people in all sorts of businesses and well as good and bad businesses. It starts from the top.