Supreme Court ingame decision thread

[DwightShrute]

You and your crazy facts have no business engaging Dwight. He, in typical right wing AOL fashion, merely forwards on these spams, then when called out, retreats to other talking points.

who says they are facts? That article was from 2010. Nice try. here is a fact ... House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.



Good article http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/20...rom-obamacare/

[Tully Mars 63]

who says they are facts? That article was from 2010. Nice try. here is a fact ... House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.



Good article http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/20...rom-obamacare/

Did you read the article you're quoting?

Of all the many gripes and complaints directed my way when it comes to the Affordable Care Act, the one that appears to tick people off the most is a widespread belief that Congress has carved out some exemptions for themselves that provide our elected representatives with cushy health insurance benefits while the rest of us are left to experience diminishing coverage from employers or, come 2014, enter the unknown world of state run health insurance exchanges.

I certainly understand why people believe that this injustice is taking place right under their noses. Conservative media has told them repeatedly, and in no uncertain terms, that this is the trick being played on them by the privileged and powerful.

It’s a great story – but it certainly is not the true story.
Indeed, you may be surprised to learn that once the lion’s share of the ACA kicks in on January 1, 2014, not only are Members of Congress and their staff obligated to play by the same rules as the rest of us, they will actually be required to follow a more restrictive path to their health insurance than you and I.
The false narrative suggesting that Congress gave themselves a special deal appears to have begun with John Fund of the Wall Street Journal who wrote,

As the U.S. Office of Personnel Management notes, Members of Congress “enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country.” According to page 114 of the Kennedy bill, a similar array of choices would not be available to other Americans in the future. Instead, they would be shunted into health insurance plans under the straightjacket of whatever the government decides is a “basic” plan.
The goal would be to restrict care for the general public in order to control costs, while making sure Congress gets the gold-plated attention it’s accustomed to. Ultimately, the rest of us would be asked to trade a private insurance company as gatekeeper for a government gatekeeper. The difference, of course, is that most of us can fire our insurance gatekeeper. Just try to do that once the government fills that role.

This line of bull was peddled to an even larger audience by Sean Hannity, a man who never met a fact that he wasn’t willing to ignore while making up a new one to better suit his purpose. During Hannity’s Fox News program of March 24, 2010, Hannity stated, without reservation, that that Members of Congress and their staff were exempt from the requirements of the Affordable Care Act.
So, here’s the real deal –As things currently stand, Members of Congress and their staff, until 2014, will continue to participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). This program, considered among the best in the nation, allows federal employees- including Members of Congress and their staff- to choose from a wide range of health plans and select the one that best suits their needs. Note that the current plan is neither ‘government’ insurance, ‘free’ insurance nor any other sort of sweet deal that the public has been led to believe is the case. The federal employee’s program involves private insurance policies with premiums, deductibles, co-pays, etc.
Here’s the surprise – come 2014, when the lion’s share of the ACA provisions come on line, Members of Congress and their staff will be required to buy their health insurance on an exchange. In fact, their choices will be even more limited than our own. While it is expected that some 24 million people will elect to purchase their health care policy on a state run exchange, we are not required by law to do so. Members of Congress and their staff, however, must buy their insurance in this way.
Section 1312 of the Affordable Care Act reads as follows:

(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.-
(i) REQUIREMENT.-Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are-


(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

(ii) DEFINITIONS.-In this section:
(I) MEMBER OF CONGRESS.-The term ”Member of Congress” means any member of the House of Representatives or the Senate.
(II) CONGRESSIONAL STAFF.-The term ”congressional staff” means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a Member of Congress, whether in Washington, DC or outside of Washington, DC.
Despite what Sean Hannity and friends would like you to believe, once we hit 2014, Members of Congress and their staff will be shopping in the same state based health care exchanges that many average Americans will be checking out for the best deals and plans available.
So, you may now cross this complaint off of your “Why I Hate Obamacare” list and see if you can come up with something based in reality. And, when you do, feel free to send them in to me and we can take a look at whether the facts match the complaints. You might be surprised

[DwightShrute]

Did you read the article you're quoting?

yes

[Tully Mars 63]

Duly noted. What about the guys over at home depot waiting to be picked up for day labor? Better chance one of them is Jesus?

Ha! True. And I can honestly say Jesus painted my house this year.

[rkelly110]

[QUOTE=DwightShrute;15254938]no idea who? My American friend passed that on to me. It does say a lot though doesn't it?


also, almost 2000 companies have been granted waivers from Obamacare. why? Are supporters just blind to this? Why isn't that cause for alarm for a lot of you? It has to be? If it's so friggen good, then there shouldn't be any waivers right? Where am I wrong?

You guys deserve a better healthcare plan but this one stinks real bad. If the people who made it law exempt themselves from it ... wouldn't it be like going to by a truck from a chevy dealership when the salesman you are dealing with drives a Ford? Worse yet, all the salesman at the Chevy dealership drive Ford's or Dodge truck and they are trying to get you to but a Chevy truck. Wouldn't you be a fool to buy one?[/QUOTE]


I guess I'm a fool. All 3 of my new vehicles were sold to me by salesmen driving a different brand than what I was buying.
Yes, I did ask them what they were driving. Thanks for the laugh.

[Tully Mars 63]

yes

So then you know the graphic you posted in post #480 is incorrect in stating "Congress exempted themselves?"

[DwightShrute]

So then you know the graphic you posted in post #480 is incorrect in stating "Congress exempted themselves?"

ok, I read it fast and it looks like you are right.

[DwightShrute]

I guess I'm a fool. .

you said it not me

[Tully Mars 63]

ok, I read it fast and it looks like you are right.

I wouldn't worry about it, we've all done it. Just confused me a little that's all.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Facts get in the way of fear mongering.

[DwightShrute]

I wouldn't worry about it, we've all done it. Just confused me a little that's all.

ya I made your point right? I hate when that happenes. geez!

[PAULYPOKER]

you said it not me