After watching the fight a second time....

[AraiWa]

lol when he had pac tied up and pac was waiting for a break that should of happened, and he threw like ten wimpy punches to pac's ribs, i bet u think those counted or something, lmao

You people are on drugs and even if u all did have manny by 1 or 2, u see, manny still wins,

there will be no rematch, nothing to prove, we all know who won

What you think makes no difference to the statistics or the books. The W went to Bradley and we can all dispute this till the cows come home. It's not gonna change a thing. It's funny that when this happened to Marquez, twice, people whimper a little and that's it. When it happens to Pacquiao, an all-time great, people cry, literally. Truthfully, it makes no difference to me. An opinion is an opinion, nothing more. All that matters is what the judges thought. One thing is certain though, Pacquiao looked like crap and looks far from P4P form.

[frostno98]

This fight actually hurts Bradley in the long run. Had he won legitmately, he would of been raking a ton of money fighting scrubs. No one will ever waste their money again on boxing, unless Manny or Money is in it.

[AraiWa]

This fight actually hurts Bradley in the long run. Had he won legitmately, he would of been raking a ton of money fighting scrubs. No one will ever waste their money again on boxing, unless Manny or Money is in it.

I agree it hurts Bradley, unless Pacquiao chooses to fight him again.

However, while some people won't be spending their money on boxing, plenty of people who are saying they won't do so again, will end up doing so.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Sorry....The best evidence is the fact that books had Bradley in-live as a FUKKIN +9000 underdog going into round 12 (Meaning that he needed a prayer of a knockout in the last round.....A decision., at the time for Bradley was not even given a 1% chance)

If the fight was EVEN CLOSE, they do not offer odds like that......If the fight was EVEN CLOSE, they would all be belly up right now

Books are not in the business of burying themselves, so try to spin that one

[Bdolan33]

After rewatching it with the mindset of TRYING to score for Bradley, I still only gave him 4 rounds.

Robbery.

[tony_come]

This is crwzy!

[jjgold]

Good Work Lou although I still think Manny won

Maybe closer than we all thought because of way announcers brainwashed us

[ChalkyDog]

lol when he had pac tied up and pac was waiting for a break that should of happened, and he threw like ten wimpy punches to pac's ribs, i bet u think those counted or something, lmao

You people are on drugs and even if u all did have manny by 1 or 2, u see, manny still wins,

there will be no rematch, nothing to prove, we all know who won

Hi, TT. There will be a rematch. Wanna know how I know, because they already scheduled it prior to the fight. Hell, Bradley took a picture of the poster of Bradley/Pacqiuo 2 and posted it on twitter prior to the first match.

That is why, when asked about a rematch, he knew the exact date, immediately after the fight. The rematch was basically built in regardless of the outcome.

And, to tell you the truth, I guarantee the 2nd fight will outsell the last one. People are pissed now, but this story is reaching more than the casual boxing fan.

Boxing will get a nice lift.

[sirchadwick1]

I'm staying far far away from betting on the rematch... and betting on boxing period anymore. This was a complete disgrace.

I had $ on Pacquaio by dec +130... then after about round 10 on live betting threw down a bet +600 on "fight ends inside the distance" just to cover me since Manny had rocked Bradley a couple times and his feet looked wobbly. I have a pretty solid feeling I'm not the only one out there that played this.

In the end I just threw all my $ away. Lesson learned... luckily only 5u lost.

[jazzyj7]

I wonder what lou's score would've been if it was floyd instead of manny. With sound prob. 11-1, without sound prob. 12-0. Fact is, if you wanna be overly generous maybe 116-112 pac-man. 115-113 would've been suspect, 114-114 would've been a rigging job, and 113-115 bradley is just an outright travesty

[Smoke]

The judges were paid off.

Its as simple as that

[Nick Papageorgio]

After watching it a 2nd time , I score 3 round even 5 for Bradley 4 for Pac man.

[raydog]

After watching it a 2nd time , I score 3 round even 5 for Bradley 4 for Pac man.

lot of Even rounds judged in pro boxing ... unreal

[rsnnh12]

Boxers thoughts (plus Xzibits because it cracked me up)--

Amir Khan ********@AmirKingKhan What a joke we had manny winning by 5 rounds. Bradley how about you take the fight with me in December after I clean up the 140lbs weight

Lennox Lewis ********@LennoxLewis Unbelievable! #PacBradley This is another stain on boxing. Even worse than my draw with Holyfield! #Disgraceful

Evander Holyfield ********@holyfield worst decision ever since my fight w Valuev in 2008! #robbery

Shane Mosley ********@SugarShaneM Just for the record I thought PAC won the fight hands down. But I am happy Timothy went the distance and fought hard the whole fight

andreward Listen, I love Tim Bradley he's a friend. This is not his fault. Tim lost the fight, that's all I can say. #NotGoodForBoxing

XZIBIT I live in LA, if I wanted to see somebody get robbed,I could go outside and see it for free, it shouldn't cost me 65 bucks. #PacBradley

[milwaukee mike]

Sorry....The best evidence is the fact that books had Bradley in-live as a FUKKIN +9000 underdog going into round 12 (Meaning that he needed a prayer of a knockout in the last round.....A decision., at the time for Bradley was not even given a 1% chance)

If the fight was EVEN CLOSE, they do not offer odds like that......If the fight was EVEN CLOSE, they would all be belly up right now

Books are not in the business of burying themselves, so try to spin that one

commentary was a large part of that. if the ringside judges were doing the commentary and explaining how pac-man was non-existent for half of each round (so it's hard to give him those rounds) then the live bettting lines would've been different.

of course pacquiao should've won but when you think about how fights are scored, it's not hard to imagine guys scoring it that way without listening to how much more punching power pac-man had vs bradley by the hbo announcers about 3000 times.

neither fighter was in any real danger the whole fight

[Thor4140]

What you think makes no difference to the statistics or the books. The W went to Bradley and we can all dispute this till the cows come home. It's not gonna change a thing. It's funny that when this happened to Marquez, twice, people whimper a little and that's it. When it happens to Pacquiao, an all-time great, people cry, literally. Truthfully, it makes no difference to me. An opinion is an opinion, nothing more. All that matters is what the judges thought. One thing is certain though, Pacquiao looked like crap and looks far from P4P form.

But it didn't happen to Marquez twice because those were two totally different situations in very close fight. This wasn't a close fight. Stop ur nonsense okay cause u don't know dick. Someone just posted what ten fighters thought and not one thought Bradley won not even his friends.

[MoneyLineDawg]

commentary was a large part of that. if the ringside judges were doing the commentary and explaining how pac-man was non-existent for half of each round (so it's hard to give him those rounds) then the live bettting lines would've been different.

of course pacquiao should've won but when you think about how fights are scored, it's not hard to imagine guys scoring it that way without listening to how much more punching power pac-man had vs bradley by the hbo announcers about 3000 times.

neither fighter was in any real danger the whole fight

Really though....+9000???? 9000???!?

I could understand if books were giving Bradley a +300 shot or something and he ended up winning.....Atleast it would have been considered decent, but 90 to fukkin 1 is NOT just because of commentary

A 90 to 1 shot is getting dominated and needs a prayer knockout in the last round......End of story

Books would never expose themselves like that in a fight even "sorta close"

[milwaukee mike]

Books were listening to the same commentary.

Just because everyone believes something doesn't necessarily make it true.

For quite a long time almost everyone believed weather was done by gods, earth was flat, etc etc

Even now a large % of the population believe in an imaginary being that lives in the sky, we landed on the moon, muslims attacked us on 9/11, and a bunch of other foolishness just because they were told it or saw it on tv.

The guys ringside with no commentary scored the fight and we have to assume they did it objectively without evidence to the contrary.

[MoneyLineDawg]

You think books rely purely on commentary?? Come on man, they don't take all of our money this way....."Evidence to the contrary" would be sportsbooks who are 99.9% sharp in every sport/situation could get a loser THIS wrong

[crustyme]

Books were listening to the same commentary.

Just because everyone believes something doesn't necessarily make it true.

For quite a long time almost everyone believed weather was done by gods, earth was flat, etc etc

Even now a large % of the population believe in an imaginary being that lives in the sky, we landed on the moon, muslims attacked us on 9/11, and a bunch of other foolishness just because they were told it or saw it on tv.

The guys ringside with no commentary scored the fight and we have to assume they did it objectively without evidence to the contrary.

how funny is it that this nutjob who believes every conspiracy theory known to man believes boxing is on the up and up.

[Thor4140]

UFC president Dana White

Nevada state athletic commission at its finest!!! You’ve for to be (expletive) kidding me!! that is disgusting Nevada state athletic commission!! Worst athletic commission in the country!!!!!!!!!

Joe Rogan

Holy s— that was a terrible decision in the Pacquiao vs Bradley fight. Someone committed a f—ing crime.

Mike Goldberg

Another great night for the UFC!

Eddie Bravo

Tom Cruise’s decision to bang cameron Diaz in vanilla sky was brilliant compared to the Pacman decision

Cesar Gracie

Pacquiao won that! Good to see the NSAC refs exposed as the incompetent idiots they are.

Renzo Gracie

Bob Arum won that fight!

Ronda Rousey

Dude after that bs …. Not sure I’ll ever pay to watch boxing again, just so blatantly wrong I’m repulsed

Chris Leben

Worst decision in the history of boxing

Jens Pulver

I’m still speechless. I mean REALLY right now? Decisions like that is exactly the reason boxing is dying and @ufc is exploding.

Daniel Cormier

That’s actually tragic. He won that fight. Man I know we complain about mma judging but my goodness. Worst decision I’ve ever seen.

Miguel Torres

PacMan got robbed, so the world is fair after all… Wait, no its not. What bulls—.

Hector Lombard

This is been the biggest robbery in history boxing. That’s why boxing is not going to go anywhere..

[raiders72001]

Lou- I like you but this was good by McIrish

Some guys can look bad forecasting their opinion before a sporting event is played. Only Lou can past post something that is finished and still have an idiotic opinion.

[hockey216]

I watched the replay without the sound. It really changed my opinion of what went on. The first time i watched it i though pacquiao won convincingly but it was because the commentators were heavily on his side. Everytime he landed a left hand they'd ooh and awwe him. Every time bradley owned pacquiao with the jab for the first 2 and half mins of a round they'd say nothing. They would say nothing about when bradley landed clean shot also.

First time i thought pacquiao won big.

Watched it again on mute. I scored it 115-113 for Bradley. Bradley won rounds 1 and 2 with the jab. Bradley won rounds 10,11,12. I also gave him rounds 5 and 7.

It's amazing how much influence HBO commentators can have on people who are watching the fight. Harold Ledderman scored it 11-1 for Bradley just because pacquiao landed a couple left hands in the rounds, totally ignoring that bradley dictated most of the rounds with the jab. It was not 11-1 for pacquiao. Ledderman is way too biased. Pacquiao would land 2 left hands and Ledderman would forget that he was getting beat the whole first 2 and half minutes with the jab. No way it was 11-1 for pacquiao. No way.

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[Vaughany]

[crustyme]

so the 14,000 fans at mgm booing the decision were influenced by hbo commentary being fed through the arena speakers?

teddy atlas, who knows a little something about boxing, sitting at ringside scored it 119-109 for pacman was deceived by hbo also?

[Grits n' Gravy]

I watched replay on mute and it is obvious Arum had judges in pocket. Manny won the fight rather easily. Stories and rumors will come out as to why it happened but there was a fix put in place if fight didn't end by stoppage. The books in Vegas did fine. Nothing to write home about. So the gambling conspiracy is irrelevant. If I am Manny I let my contract with Arum expire and pull a Floyd and promote himself. He can collect a few mega paydays and retire. Hearing Floyd may fight Khan in late 2012/early 2013.

[milwaukee mike]

how funny is it that this nutjob who believes every conspiracy theory known to man believes boxing is on the up and up.

part of the plan is to brainwash people into calling anyone with a differing opinion a "nutjob", "conspiracy theorist", "anti-semite", etc.

success!

[crustyme]

Tim’s manager, Cameron Dunkin had it 8-4 for Pacquiao.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/inthering/view/256148/Bob-Arum-blasts-Manny-Pacquiao-farce/

[milwaukee mike]

so the 14,000 fans at mgm booing the decision were influenced by hbo commentary being fed through the arena speakers?

teddy atlas, who knows a little something about boxing, sitting at ringside scored it 119-109 for pacman was deceived by hbo also?

the crowd was very pro-pacquiao

and i have said the scorecards were off, but i could see how they were scoring it that way. pac-man could've at least thrown a few punches in the first 2:00 of some of those rounds...

[d2bets]

Sorry....The best evidence is the fact that books had Bradley in-live as a FUKKIN +9000 underdog going into round 12 (Meaning that he needed a prayer of a knockout in the last round.....A decision., at the time for Bradley was not even given a 1% chance)

If the fight was EVEN CLOSE, they do not offer odds like that......If the fight was EVEN CLOSE, they would all be belly up right now

Books are not in the business of burying themselves, so try to spin that one

Probably because the book are watching and listening to the fight at the same time. They figure that the commentators have more insight than they know themselves, so the line was guided by what they were hearing and if HBO was telling the viewing public that Pac was up 10-1 or something like that then the books are not going to go counter to that.

[iQon]

What's the point of this thread?

Judges don't get to watch the fight a 2nd time. If you gave Pacquiao the win the 1st time, that's all that matters. They don't give judges do-overs in boxing.

Second, if you're judging fights based on commentary, than you shouldn't be scoring the fights in the first place. You're already speaking with an impressionable mind. You agreed with HBO the first time, now you have identical scores to the judges?

Too many followers in boxing and MMA. Judge your own fights and stand by it.

[jjgold]

I heard two judges were in their 70's??

I think like 90% of so called boxing media and experts scored fight a win for Pac

[King Mayan]

JJ, make a boxing video, teach us how to judge a fight!!

[d2bets]

What's the point of this thread?

Judges don't get to watch the fight a 2nd time. If you gave Pacquiao the win the 1st time, that's all that matters. They don't give judges do-overs in boxing.

Second, if you're judging fights based on commentary, than you shouldn't be scoring the fights in the first place. You're already speaking with an impressionable mind. You agreed with HBO the first time, now you have identical scores to the judges?

Too many followers in boxing and MMA. Judge your own fights and stand by it.

Why? Most people have radically inadequate knowledge and skill in judging a fight. They'd be better off deferring to others.

[Mikail]

LOL at these nit wits who say the whole world was influenced by the HBO commentators and that's why everyone thought that Manny won. I've heard some excuses but that one is not even plausible. C'mon if your gonna try and sell the lie you need to come up with an excuse better than that.