When "good" odds dont equal "value"

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  • wantitall4moi
    SBR MVP
    • 04-17-10
    • 3063

    #1
    When "good" odds dont equal "value"
    Everyone loves to talk about value and odds and when and why they are better or worse.

    Perfect example are the Lakers odds right now to win the series. Currently +1950, which in a vacuum are 'great' odds. As the necessary results are known. Lakers have to win the next 3 games to win. They opened +385 in the game tonight, so one can assume they would also be +385 at least on the open to win a game seven (we assume it gets to a game 7). There for we take 3.85 X3.85 and we get 14.82. So we then take 1950 and divide that by 1482, that gives us 131.5 which is what the Lakers would have to pay at home to make simply parlaying them on the ML in every game the same as the 1950 they are now, that is around a +2.5 dog. Which is maybe possible but not likely, they were +2 at home in Game 4 off a back to back, and they only got to +125, but hovered mostly around +115 or so. You also have to look that currently Lakers are "Only" +310 on the ML so they have taken a lot of money there thats for sure.

    So realistically if you were late and looking to parlay your lakers money, and you were on them at +310 now, and figured at best +125 (more than likely they'd be favored and probably -115) that would mean they would have to be +503 to 'cover' the +1950 they are now.

    So in the grand scheme +1950 is a very good price. But is it 'value'. Some would say yes. The purely math guys anyway. But people who have watched the series and seen the ups and downs and collapses and intangibles know that the Lakers beating OKC 3 in a row (2 on the road) is a nearly impossible task.

    So this is a perfect example where good odds dont come anywhere near being a good 'value', even when you have a lot of information to go on.
  • rm18
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-20-05
    • 22291

    #2
    parlaying the MLs will pay more than +1950 if there is not a key injury
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      This Wanty guy one of sharpest guys of all times at sbr
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      • wantitall4moi
        SBR MVP
        • 04-17-10
        • 3063

        #4
        Originally posted by rm18
        parlaying the MLs will pay more than +1950 if there is not a key injury
        LMAO I guess you cant read, or multiply.
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        • coop
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 08-11-11
          • 616

          #5
          I mean, the "value" of a line is purely subjective.

          Depends on each individual person's opinion on how likely the outcome is in combination with the odds.

          But yes, for your example, I think most people agree LAL winning out is highly, highly unlikely.
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          • rm18
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 09-20-05
            • 22291

            #6
            Originally posted by wantitall4moi
            LMAO I guess you cant read, or multiply.
            no you didn't multiply the -115 correctly at all.

            100/330= 430
            430/370=800
            800/2400=3200

            so that is +3100 according to my projected odds Also when you parlay ML's you can lineshop.
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            • UntilTheNDofTimE
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 05-29-08
              • 9285

              #7
              Originally posted by wantitall4moi
              LMAO I guess you cant read, or multiply.
              Game 5: LA +385 1/3.85
              Game 6: LA -120 4.85/4.04
              Game 7: LA +385 8.89/34.22

              = 43.11

              So taking them at 1950 is dumb.
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              • rm18
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-20-05
                • 22291

                #8
                [QUOTE=UntilTheNDofTimE;14822732]Game 5: LA +385 1/3.85
                Game 6: LA -120 3.85/3.20
                Game 7: LA +385 7.05/27.12

                = 34.19

                game 6 should be 4.85/4.04 though those +385's are a littler generous
                So taking them at 1950 is dumb.
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                • UntilTheNDofTimE
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 05-29-08
                  • 9285

                  #9
                  [QUOTE=rm18;14822742]
                  Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE
                  Game 5: LA +385 1/3.85
                  Game 6: LA -120 3.85/3.20
                  Game 7: LA +385 7.05/27.12

                  = 34.19

                  game 6 should be 4.85/4.04 though those +385's are a littler generous
                  So taking them at 1950 is dumb.
                  I fixed it, noticed it right after. +385 is his example i just repeated it.
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                  • suicidekings
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 03-23-09
                    • 9962

                    #10
                    Math debate aside, the Laker series price is a TERRIBLE example of perceived value. Who is sitting out there right now, having watched the first four games and believes that the Lakers have a chance of winning one more game, let alone 3 games... Even the biggest Laker homer can't be feeling optimistic about their chances.
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                    • wantitall4moi
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-17-10
                      • 3063

                      #11
                      LMAO yeah I got twisted up, +1950 is the bad side, but I had a bunch of number written down and flipped it around.

                      parlaying it would get you 385 (300 now) and -115 and 385 would be +3500 or so. Obviously if lakers are a dog in game 5 that makes it even bigger.

                      So correct concept wrong explanation.
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                      • Love The Action
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-08-10
                        • 10952

                        #12
                        Originally posted by suicidekings
                        Math debate aside, the Laker series price is a TERRIBLE example of perceived value. Who is sitting out there right now, having watched the first four games and believes that the Lakers have a chance of winning one more game, let alone 3 games... Even the biggest Laker homer can't be feeling optimistic about their chances.
                        Precisely.
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                        • Pauulzcappin
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 04-23-10
                          • 20295

                          #13
                          Bottomline for this Clippers' fan

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