I'm voting for Bob Barr

[ryanXL977]

who gives a shit if people screw, people have screwed without marriage for about 10k years, or however long humans have been around.

i guess the bible says thats 2000 years but either way, you are going to tell people what to do, some libertarian

thats crazy dude!!

[RogueScholar]

Oh, and since I'm in a tax-free industry, I don't really pay for any government policies. That alone frees me up to be very mercurial with my reasons for voting on anything.

[ryanXL977]

well at least you admit it
most dont

[RogueScholar]

How many times do I have to explain that I vote Libertarian because I want the War on Drugs to quit, not because I believe that government shouldn't tell us what to do. Government is always going to tell us what to do, so I look for people to vote for that care way more about sex and unborn babies and less about what I'm smoking and who's buying it.

[RogueScholar]

Why should I lie about it? It's legal to be tax-free in this county, I'm even registered with the Sheriff's Department! They protect me AND the plants if people trespass and try to steal shit. I don't know why everyone isn't doing it.

[durito]

The end result of this is going to be a huge reduction in pre-marital sex, just you watch. Women are going to be classier and we'll have gentlemen walking the streets again. This is the lynchpin to fixing our screwed up society.

Are you serious?

Take a look at any country where abortion is illegal. The girls here all start having sex at 14 and half of them are single moms by 16. (except for the rich people's kids of course as they can fly to miami and get an abortion).

Compare that (and the US) to European countries where abortion is legal AND they actually teach sex education (as opposed to the US) and you will see far lower teenage pregnancies AND far lower abortions (compared to the US)

[ryanXL977]

he is a single issue voter, drugs are ok, womens choices arent

to me, its mind boggling but to him it makes sense
maybe if i were high it would make sense to me to

[RogueScholar]

If you do decide to get high, I have a special rate for SBR posters.

[ryanXL977]

i got no problem with green
i just find it weird what you deem moral, bc others deem weed immoral, hence its illegal

let people do what they want if it hurts nobody else

[RogueScholar]

I agree. Abortion hurts the fetus, case closed.

[ryanXL977]

abortion hurts the mother, and thats for her to deal with
not you
live your life, bc if many had their way, youd be locked up for getting high every day

[RogueScholar]

Actually I wouldn't. I have a legal prescription which entitles me not to just get high all day every day, but to make a living by helping other sick people alleviate their suffering. The DEA could ruin my day, but I doubt they'd drive all the way up here to get me.

[RogueScholar]

You're extremely sold on pro-choice, which I find unusual for a dude. Tell me, do you support abortion because you've knocked up chicks and would have to be paying for their kids if they weren't able to get the abortion?

[ryanXL977]

bc i dont want the govt messing with individual freedoms, i am also pro gun,
the less laws the better
i am not a one issue voter but i would never vote for someone who wants to take away rights
ever

i trust the decision of women over their own bodies much more than i trust yours or any mans
women are smart

[element1286]

If I had to pick someone that I agreed with most it would be him, so I'm with ya Pavy.

[RogueScholar]

Obama wants to take away our right to fill the oceans with oil rigs and get rich off of that black gold. Why is that better?

[ryanXL977]

dude, its not our oil
it goes right to the highest bidder

[RogueScholar]

What do you mean it's not our oil? If it's under the ocean, closer to our country than another one, and we have enough guns and ships and nukes to claim it, why shouldn't it be ours? I want a piece of that action while crude is still above $100/barrel

[element1286]

What do you mean it's not our oil? If it's under the ocean, closer to our country than another one, and we have enough guns and ships and nukes to claim it, why shouldn't it be ours? I want a piece of that action while crude is still above $100/barrel

I never understood the opposition to drilling for oil, is it going to solve all the country's energy problems, absolutely not, would it give some relief, sure it would help, would it hurt the development of new technologies, no. So what is the opposition?

[BadNina]

Seems to me that additional drilling would also create more jobs thus expanding the tax base which would create more money going to the government. People with jobs tend to go out and buy things which creates jobs. We also need more refineries...which would create more construction jobs and then people will be needed to work in the refinery.

So why are people against this again?

[pavyracer]

Logging all of our forests, mining all of our mountains and draining all of our lakes will also create plenty of jobs.

[element1286]

Logging all of our forests, mining all of our mountains and draining all of our lakes will also create plenty of jobs.

Are those really valid comparisons to drilling for more oil?

[BadNina]

Technology has advanced to where it isn't as nearly environmentally unfriendly as it was in the past. You don't think a safe compromise couldn't be reached? Look at all the wells in the Gulf. In the past couple of years, they have survived some horrendous hurricanes with no major spill.

[pavyracer]

Are those really valid comparisons to drilling for more oil?

Quite the opposite actually. You missed the whole point.

[durito]

Drilling for oil as part of a comprehensive new energy policy is a good idea (obama).

Drilling for oil as the only strategy is nuts (mccain).

sorry for the parenthesis, but some people are really dumb

[RogueScholar]

On energy, the last thing we need are Obama's new, expensive, incentives for green technology. We're already collapsing under the weight of regulations that favor foreign oil. How about we throw our arms around anyone who wants to add energy to the global supply? Why do we have to entice farmers to turn their corn into ethanol when people are already going to sleep hungry in our own country? Whether it's solar or wind or corn, it'll take over the market when it's cheaper than oil, without any government interference. Until then, let's drill drill drill.

[reno cool]

Iraq is a sham, I agree. But since there is no draft, all of those soldiers volunteered to be part of our corrupt military. So the moral burden is on those soldiers souls, not currently on mine. I'm much more concerned with what goes on within our borders than without. Let me know if they reinstate the draft and I'll vote Democrat on my way to the nearest international airport.

Its good when you have that option.

[element1286]

Drilling for oil as part of a comprehensive new energy policy is a good idea (obama).

Drilling for oil as the only strategy is nuts (mccain).

sorry for the parenthesis, but some people are really dumb

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy

http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm

Are they really that different?

[ryanXL977]

you guys are either intentionally or unintentionally ignorant

do we have state owned oil? that drilled oil goes to the oil companies and to the highest bidder

they are not going to sell it to the usa at a discount

do you guys ever think orjust take your ideas right from gop.com

jesus christ

exxon aint gonna cut us a break , they sell to the highest bidder
hence the profits

[element1286]

you guys are either intentionally or unintentionally ignorant

do we have state owned oil? that drilled oil goes to the oil companies and to the highest bidder

they are not going to sell it to the usa at a discount

do you guys ever think orjust take your ideas right from gop.com

jesus christ

exxon aint gonna cut us a break , they sell to the highest bidder
hence the profits

What the hell are you talking about Ryan, they are not auctioning it off. They don't sell to the highest bidder, they sell to maximize their profits. All these rigs they will build will have infrastructure that pipes it directly to the United States. They will have very low transportation costs. So in turn will maximize their profits. The oil market is not a bunch of countries' leaders in a room saying what they will pay for a barrel of oil, and then Exxon ships it to them.

[BadNina]

But Ryan dear, that would create more supply. My lovely state does receive money from the oil companies from leases and a percentage of that profit. It was done cause the majority of the citizens of this state voted on it and decided.

[pavyracer]

What the hell are you talking about Ryan, they are not auctioning it off. They don't sell to the highest bidder, they sell to maximize their profits. All these rigs they will build will have infrastructure that pipes it directly to the United States. They will have very low transportation costs. So in turn will maximize their profits. The oil market is not a bunch of countries' leaders in a room saying what they will pay for a barrel of oil, and then Exxon ships it to them.

In the short run, on a daily basis, the price is set by buyers, including market speculators, whose gut reaction to geopolitical, weather, and other impacts on the global market result in their "bets" that supply and demand a month or so out will be such-and-such, and that therefore the price they are willing to pay is this-and-that.

[ryanXL977]

there is ZERO point ZERo chance that gas goes down if we drill
ZERO
you guys buy the most obvious garbage ive ever seen
its yet another attempt by the bought and paid for by oil company GOp to steal our resources like they always do

stop. think. stop. think

[RogueScholar]

Why don't we making exporting domestic oil illegal and then drill a bunch? Doesn't that cover all the bases? If we can conquer a whole bunch more of the ocean, then we might get crude prices far enough down in the United States that other countries will set up shop here again, instead of all our companies heading overseas.

[ryanXL977]

how about we use the trillion from the war and another trillion from bailouts and use that to build a whole new infrastructure, new energy, a new light rail system, and more!!

nah, that soicialism

more wars!!!