The bill was brought up as a caveat to the ObamaCare situation...forcing people to cover things against their institutional views while allowing Unions to opt out entirely and so on...selective punishment basically.
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This is nothing but an "issue" formulated to try and get women on Obama's side if Romney is the candidate. If he supplies the government with a little more control on the side, then its a plus for him. I see the herd of Obama sheep are buying medical health angle hook, line, and sinker.Comment -
And with advertisers abandoning ship...suddenly Rush apologizes
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Calling her the shit he called her on a national level is grounds for a law suit.
The boy has no brains. Did he not know she is going to law school? I hope she
sues the pants off his ass. That's the Repub way, shoot your mouth off 1st,
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Except that its not narrowly tailored like that at all. An organization can claim anything is within their institutional views and opt out, and there is nothing there to stop them, it read something like, "moral or religious objections". You'd see companies like Wal-Mart saying that covering anything is against their moral believes and there you go, end run around the ability of anyone to be mandated to provide coverage. Nothing in the amendment covered this situation or gave anyone any recourse to prevent it, as long as you say its against your moral beliefs as a company, bam instant exemption to whatever provision you don't like.
Let's call this what it really was, an attempt by the right wing to repeal the employer mandate. It's perfectly within their right to attempt to repeal the employer mandate, and not everyone on the side of the employees here believes in the employer mandate, but to claim that the amendment would do anything else besides repeal the employer mandate is hogwash.Comment -
Shaud - that was my point...smaller parts of the Affordable Care Act are being targeted piece by piece through these types of bills as well as the courts....I'm guessing the plan is to hold things up until the Nov elections and once the House and Senate is redone the real shots will be taken (notice this weeks attempt in the Senate only failed by 3...easily made up in November perhaps. I've said in here for months....even if Obama beats Romney he is looking at a real problem if he has Boehner as Speaker in the House majority and the Senate turns back to the Reps since the Dems have to defend a lot of seats with a small majority.Comment -
It was because of the way they went about it though. If it had been couched as a repeal of the employer mandate you wouldn't have seen any democrats in an election year going against the party line.
Olympia Snowe retiring is going to be huge, that went from a pretty sure Republican hold to firmly lean Democrat. Honestly I think this was a misstep by the Republican Party. These are non-issues in reality to the majority of swing voters, who as their name would imply are less likely to be religious. and swayed by partisanship. This is a red meat issue that appeals to the Republican base, but really turns off the center.Comment -
People like Mr KLC are the real problem with America today. They're too lazy to do any critical thinking.Comment -
But its OK for others on MSNBC to call women oysters!Comment -
C*nts...Comment -
Oh my. Here come the personal attacks. Yeah, people like me, who helped slow down this train wreck in 2010, are definitely the problem. I guess if I would just start thinking, then I would bow down, kiss this guys ring, watch my Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz, and then bask in pride as i pay for my $4 gallon gas. When I'm at work, collecting bills from frustrated, unemployed people, I should let them know everything is OK, Uncle Obama has everything under control, and its going to work out if we give him 4 more years. If I put my mind to correct thinking, I think I will go and pay homage to the turtle crossing at the park that was built by the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act". Maybe if I watch 10-20 hours a week of American Idol, Dancing With The Stars, Jersey Shore, and The Kardashians, (just like most of his electorate probably does) then maybe I will come across the constructive thinking I need to have an orgasm every time this president talks, lifts that arrogant chin up, and promises us things with other peoples' money. I can be arrogant, envious, and feel the need to covet someone else's stuff, instead of continuing to find a way to earn my own.
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That's cute, but awfully irrelevant. I don't even know who Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow are - they don't appear on my TV.
Some tangential rant isn't helping your cause.
Please address your earlier comments:
Let me get this straight. We have a 30 year old woman coming in front of Congress wanting tax payers to pay for her to be able to have sex without consequential risk? I'm supposed to talk about this with a straight face?
Can you justify this commentary with facts? Excerpts from the testimony which state that this is her point? It appears you're poisoning the well with nonsense and creating a straw man argument.
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here is an excerpt that helps summarize her point/purpose:
In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these
prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend,
and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover
her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was
denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to
prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much
more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100
out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop
taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message
from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency
room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up
thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the
size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove
her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony,
she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night
sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32 years old. As she put it: “If my body indeed does
enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me
have my own children. I will have no chance at giving my mother her desperately
desired grandbabies, simply because the insurance policy that I paid for totally
unsubsidized by my school wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I
needed it.” Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that
come with having menopause at an early age-- increased risk of cancer, heart
disease, and osteoporosis, she may never be able to conceive a child.Comment -
Of course you can't back up your original statements, what was I thinking. Enjoy living in your delusions.Comment -
I'm sorry if I can't feel sorry for this woman. When my wife and I got married 21 years ago, she was diagnosed with endometriosis. Not only did her stomach hurt, but her ovaries were a regular cyst producing machine. I can't tell you how many long nights I had to be up with her, or go to an ER because a cyst ruptured, and all that poison was strewing back and forth in her mid section. She had to have 2 surgeries where they took a laser and killed all of the cysts she was carrying. She had to buy bigger pants for when her stomach would bloat from the cysts. They told her the same thing. That we were at risk to not have children. We tried birth control pills, on our own dime I might add, and though they slowed the process down, she was still extremely sore, and had mood swings from the pills. For the year and a half she was on the pills, we maybe had sex 2-3 times all together, and when we did, it didn't last long because she was hurting so bad.
As you can see, I know what this woman claims to be going through with her friend. These women have a professional opportunity that my wife and I never had. When all this was going down, I was making $250/week as an Asst. Manager at a restaurant, and my wife was working part time $4.25/hr. We somehow found the means to buy birth control when we were 2 payments behind on our main car, and $6000 in debt for hospital bills. So pardon me if I'm not crying a river for these women that are going to be making 6-7 figures in a few years. We still got through it, and had 2 wonderful sons. My wife eventually had to have a hysterectomy about 5 years ago.
You can choose to show sympathy, but I don't. Sandra Fluke isn't stupid. She's practicing law for heaven's sake. She knew what was involved in that health care plan when she entered the university, and instead of looking for an alternative way of getting birth control, or maybe choosing another prestigious university, she went along with it. I don't find it ironic that the university in where the federal government pulse is. What better stage to move your career a few notches in one fair swoop, than this one? Save this thread, because I guarantee you she will be either running for office, or getting a fast track to a court within the next 8-10 years. Critical thinking, my ass. Grow up kid, and see what the hell is going on around you instead of eating what these idiots in Washington (Democrat and Republican) are feeding you.Comment -
So you have no sympathy, so you think this woman deserves to be called a slut and a whore because of what she believes and for her personal experiences(that don't involve slutting or whoring)? How would you feel if someone called your wife a whore or a slut for needing all those birth control pills to help alleviate her cysts? Would you say, oh well, they're perfectly justified.
That's what Rush Limbugh did, he didn't just say(until his apology) it was because she testified before Congress about the issue, he said, "She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."
He equates needing birth control pills to having more sex, the more sex you have the more birth control you need.
Would you response be of course not, she's in a committed relationship so therefore she's not a slut for having so much sex(nevermind the fact that Rush is completely wrong about how birth control works based on his statement but we've already been through that), if so, would Fluke not be a slut in Rush's mind if she was married but still needed all those birth control pills?Comment -
That's the difference between me and you. First off, my wife and I don't live to hear what other people think of us. My philosophy as a manager at where I work at has always been, "I don't care if people say things good or bad about me, as long as I've done something to become the topic of the conversation." We know who we are, and if people want to talk about us, who cares. Normally if someone has bad things to say about you, they are not one to look at their own problems. If I don't worry about what people say about my wife and I, do you really think I give a damn about what Rush is saying? Second off, the point I was making is we were on very hard times, but still found a way to afford it. This woman needs to understand that if you go on the big stage, you have to be prepared for the possible tomatoes to be thrown at you.Comment -
But its all in your choice or words, by saying you don't have any sympathy to me that implies that you think she deserves it(maybe I'm wrong maybe you think she doesn't deserve it but aren't prepared to say she is justified in being upset in which case my analogy below is equally valid). I'm not asking you to feel sorry for her situation exclusively I'm saying that you should think that someone doesn't deserve to be called that by someone else, especially a bully like Rush Limbugh in 99.9% of circumstances(besides actually being an actual whore really).
Say one of your subordinates came into your office and said, "Shelly in accounting just came up to me and called me a slut", would you say, "Oh that's too bad Jessica, Shelly can say whatever she wants to you and you shouldn't worry about it." or instead would you say to Jessica, "I'm sorry Jessica, I'll go talk to Shelly and ask her to act in a more professional manner."
My point is being complacent in the face of vitriol just encourages the behavior. Suppose you did nothing to Shelly, and the next day she called Dave in HR a "God damn \*\*\*\*\*\*". What then? What if she did this every day and upper management found out that you did nothing. What do you think would happen to you then? Do you think that the consequences that you then faced would not be justified because people should just have thicker skin and not live to hear what other people think of us?Comment -
But that's a different analogy. The workplace is a totally different situation compared to some do it to you personally, or someone trying to get something done in the political spectrum. You have to nip it in the bud in the workplace because you are not representing just yourself, you are representing all the higher ups in your company also. You also have a procedure you must follow per company policy or you can potentially get the ax.
Rush has no one in his company to answer to. He is the EIB Network. He does have sponsors that can pull the plug on him, but even if he lost them, I'm sure there are others that might jump in, even though he did apologize yesterday.
As far as sympathy goes, I'm referring to her answer to the problem. I totally disagree with it. Adversity introduces a person to themselves. I can equate this in 2 different situations. In my situation, we paid for the birth control, even though we got behind on other things. We got it worked out, though. I eventually took a part time job changing ads on shopping carts, and reloading the little beeping coupon machines in the aisles at the grocery stores. It was tough, but we persevered.
The second situation is that she has chosen to go into the monster called Washington to have her views aired. You have to be prepared to take the heat when you are trying to sway people to change the way they have traditionally thought. Did Abraham Lincoln care who talked about him when he wanted the slaves freed? He believed in it so much that we had a war that makes the arguments of today look like child's play. Ever see the movie, 9 to 5 or Anchorman? That is pretty close to how the workplace was for women in that time, but it was one of the first social issues Ronald Reagan chose to attack by choosing Sandra Day O'Conner to the Supreme Court bench. Anita Hill didn't win a lot of friends in the Clarence Thomas case. She brought the term "sexual harrassment" into the main stream. Bill Clinton was the first president to win an election by promoting he was on the side of a woman's right to abortion. (Carter backed up the legality, but he was personally opposed to it.) The scathing Clinton got was endless, but he still became the first Democrat in decades to serve two terms. The point I'm making is this, people can choose to feel sorry for her, but nobody forced her to go up there. Her commitment should not be based on what people think of her. It should be based on how strong she believes in it.Comment -
My point was that complacency breeds bad behavior. If you don't nip the flower in the bud it blossoms. Hate and vitriol shouldn't have a place in our political discourse, but they do, and people like Rush encourage it with their speech, now they have every right to say it, but that doesn't mean we should encourage it. Fluke told her personal story, and the story of her friend and was attacked for it. Yes she threw herself in the vortex of public opinion, but that doesn't justify personal attacks against her character as an individual(versus her character as a teller of truth).
And my point was that you equally could have not persevered under the same circumstances, for instance if your car had been repossessed and you had no way to get work and therefore lost your job and potentially other things. I see your situation as the exact reason why things like birth control(which as you so adequately demonstrate is for purposes other than birth control) should be available at low cost. Just because you persevered doesn't mean everyone will.Comment -
I don't like the world of "Negative Nellie" either, but unfortunately its the game played in politics, and we will see nothing short of it all the way to November. I miss, "Its morning in America!".
Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Life is full of risk from the decisions we make, the people we elect, and the outside forces around us. Nothing is guaranteed, but I will say that this period of my life made me a stronger person, and a lot wiser about how to handle things without help from my parents, the government, etc.
Gotta go, amigo! I've enjoyed talking to you about this without any name calling, or chest thumping. People with differing views can definitely talk constructively, and we're both living proof of it. God Bless You, my friend!Comment -
This just shows u how incredibly ignorant some of these Rush followers are. They think birth control is just for having fun. This is what the country is up against. These backwards ass redneck hicks who's only meaning in life is to own a gun and hope abortion and welfare are illegal even tho the South leads the leagues in abortion and welfare handouts. JUst look at some of these idiots post.Comment -
Nice story, but it is still irrelevant.
You still have not addressed your original comments and their validity. You're once again dodging the issue at hand with tangential posts.
The point here is nothing to do with you and your personal life, so please don't make it so. You're trying to appeal to emotions.
The fact is you stated
This is nothing but an "issue" formulated to try and get women on Obama's side if Romney is the candidate. If he supplies the government with a little more control on the side, then its a plus for him. I see the herd of Obama sheep are buying medical health angle hook, line, and sinker.
Let me get this straight. We have a 30 year old woman coming in front of Congress wanting tax payers to pay for her to be able to have sex without consequential risk? I'm supposed to talk about this with a straight face?
please cite some legitimate sources that back these, or retract the statements.
Do you understand what she is trying to accomplish?
How can you not sympathize with her argument given your experience? Do you WANT others to suffer needlessly? It is clinically proven to be an effective drug in the treatment of:
Helps prevent osteoporosis.
Prevents ectopic pregnancy
Improves fibrocystic breasts
Reduces the risk of symptomatic endometriosis
Can improve acne.
Protection against pelvic inflammatory disease
Reduce the risk of ovarian cysts.
Decreased risk of iron deficiency (anemia)
Reduce menstrual cramps
Why do you feel it's OK to personally attack an individual with baseless accusations for trying to prevent others from going through what your wife did? These are students who have 4 months/year to work, and are denied coverage of a legitimate drug because it can be used for something that does not affect the institute in any way, shape or form. Meanwhile, the amount of sex on campus is probably booming anyways. Seems like a trivial point to deny something they don't even need to be apart of.
Do you think it's OK for an employer to deny certain types of health coverage because of their religious beliefs? They don't have to PROVIDE the healthcare themselves, but merely provide access to it through the insurance plan. When the Catholic Church denies coverage of contraceptives, yet pays a wage to a non-catholic who uses the wage to pay for all kinds of sins, do you see the problem here?
Oh, and I'm certain that if a mainstream radio host spent a week calling your wife a prostitute, slut, whore, and asking her to post her sex tapes for all to view, you would become upset too.
Since your wife did take birth control... I guess she's analogous with Sandra Fluke in the eyes of Rush... and you support his argument... so you think your wife is a slut and prostitute? Please share your sex tapes.Comment -
It's amazing how neocons like Breitbart & Hitchens are dropping dead left and right and Limbaugh just keeps going.Comment -
I agree and think this is why it was done in the midst of the primary and not later in the general though....who other than political junkies are really paying much attention now. Mainly just a media hyped issue to have something to talk about. Noticed during the votes in Michigan and Arizona that these issues were like third or fourth on minds of those voters so you're exactly right...middle of the road voters don't bother with the childish drama being made of it on the news.
Unfortunately I can't recall an election in the last 20 years or so that at some point did not pivot to race, religion and abortion. Guns will be next on the agenda for a 'big story'.Comment -
I love it when a real dumbfukk tries to call someone a dumbfukk. Thats all you retarded lefties know how to do is call people names. Have yet to hear an intelligent statement come from a libtard and I'm sure I never will.Comment
