The College Gameday crew are a bunch of MORONS!!!

[ShamsWoof10]

Someone should tell "Dr. Lou" and "Mark May" to learn how to comment on what happened....

That flag in the Wash./BYU game had NOTHING to do with the outcome....

THE KICK WAS BLOCKED FOR GOD'S SAKE...

It doesn't matter if it was on the f*ckin' goal line... It's not like it missed wide or short... The offensive line decided that game NOT THE REFS!!!!

What drugs are these guys on..???

By the way please don't tell me the kicker kicks it lower because he's further back because that's bullsh*t.... It's a 35 yard try in the middle of the field NOT a 55 yard try and even then you kick it the same as any other kick from the middle of the field....

[LT Profits]

I actually like Mark May, but yeah you're right, not really that much difference between a 20-yarder and a 35-yarder when the ball is in the middle of the field.

[AnotherLoan]

Washington was robbed.

[ShamsWoof10]

Washington was robbed.

I would only agree if you are pointing the finger at the OLine because the last time I saw penatration like that was when my cock was in some pussy....

[daggerkobe]

Its a fact that longer FGs are blocked more frequently due the lower projectory.

But that's not the point, refs took away a possible 2pt option to go for the win instead.

[treece]

Locker robbed his own team. The guy's an idiot.

[ShamsWoof10]

Its a fact that longer FGs are blocked more frequently due the lower projectory.

But that's not the point, refs took away a possible 2pt option to go for the win instead.

I didn't watch the game... Were they going to go for 2 or are you "assuming"..?

It's also a scientific fact (I think they call it physics) that 45 degree angle is the optimum angle for optimum distance.... not that it's the point because longer FG's don't mean 35 yarders... Those aren't sh*t....

[MonkeyF0cker]

It took away the option of even considering a two point conversion. That's not an assumption.

[daggerkobe]

PAT can be kicked at 70 degrees, 33yd FGs can not. That's why PATs are rarely blocked.

With a mobile QB that can pass or run, 2pt play was certainly an option considering the coaches job is on the line and a win over a ranked team might save his job.

[ShamsWoof10]

It took away the option of even considering a two point conversion. That's not an assumption.

It's pretty f*ckin' obvious that the extra point would have been the right move and the one they would have likely taken... OT at home.... helllooooo...?

PAT can be kicked at 70 degrees, 33yd FGs can not. That's why PATs are rarely blocked.

With a mobile QB that can pass or run, 2pt play was certainly an option considering the coaches job is on the line and a win over a ranked team might save his job.

Ok let me ask you point blank....

WAS THE KICK BLOCKED BECAUSE HE KICKED IT LOWER THEN HE USUALLY WOULD....? Do you honestly think he would try and kick the ball lower on this attempt..? if so why..?

[daggerkobe]

His point is that a 2pt play is always an option at the 3yd line but not so much at the 18. Remember Boise St vs Oklahoma?

Whether he should go for the PAT or 2pt is not the point. The refs decided for him.

I only saw the play once so I can't comment on the specifics. But it's a fact that the further away u kick from the goal the higher the percentage of blocks due to the low projectory.

[hoopster42]

the trajectory on a 35 yarder is lower than a 20 yarder, statistically, 35 yds and out get blocked much more often than PATs, so this PAT was essentially a fg attempt

[ShamsWoof10]

it's a fact that the further away u kick from the goal the higher the percentage of blocks due to the low projectory.

NO IT'S NOT!!!!

Look I am not trying to sound arragant but this is one subject I REALLY know about.... Most D1 kickers can kick it over the cross bar from the middle of the end zone.... This means they clear 10 feet fairly easy IN 5 YARDS!!! This also means there must have been some good penatration by the line WHICH THERE WAS and if you look at it the kick had no chance...

the trajectory on a 35 yarder is lower than a 20 yarder, statistically, 35 yds and out get blocked much more often than PATs, so this PAT was essentially a fg attempt

NO THEY F*CKIN' ARE NOT!!! You are talking out of your as* AGAIN... You did not see ANY SUCH thing and you are JUST REPEATING!!!

Show me your statistics!!!!

You guys are idiots... FG's from closer range are blocked more for the SIMPLE FACT they are tried A WHOLE LOT MORE!!!!

[daggerkobe]

Dude after looking at the replay numerous times, there as NO penetration whatsoever. The ball was kicked into the lineman and he didn't even have to jump to block it.

On a PAT the ball can be kicked with higher angle that would've prevented this.

[ShamsWoof10]

Dude after looking at the replay numerous times, there as NO penetration whatsoever. The ball was kicked into the lineman and he didn't even have to jump to block it.

On a PAT the ball can be kicked with higher angle that would've prevented this.

Dude you have absolutely no idea what your talking about... You are a repeater... You have NO IDEA about kicking a football soccer style and I can tell because your comments are "PUBLIC", "SQUARE", or "MEDIA"....

Take a lesson....

The ball is struck with the top of the in-step... That point on your foot is where the holes on your shoes where your laces thread through would be.... This is not like kicking a soccer ball in the sense that where you make contact with the ball DOES NOT CHANGE!!! To kick the ball higher up you would have to adjust your plant foot to land SLIGHTLY further back... Kickers plants deeper to get under the ball NOT lean back... You will notice kickers that use BLOCKS have their plant foot land further back from the ball as opposed to kickers who kick off the ground... Kickers who kick off the ground will plant PASTED the ball...

UTEP kicker just tried a 65 yard FG... HE DID NOT DRIVE IT!!! It landed 3 yards short and guess what.... it wasn't blocked...

THE ONLY THING A PRO KICKER MAY DO DIFFERANT IS NOT FOLLOW THROUGH ALL THE WAY AND JUST SNAP HIS LEG THROUGH THE KICK AS OPPOSED TO FOLLOWING COMPLETELY THROUGH.... HE WOULD DO THIS TO GET IT OFF A HAIR QUICKER.... THIS IS LIKE WHEN A QUARTERBACK THROWS WHEN HE'S UNDER PRESSURE AND JUST SNAPS HIS ARMS AS OPPOSED TO USING THE FULL RANGE OF MOTION... SOMETIMES THE QUARTERBACK DOES NOT HAVE TO ROOM TO USE FULL RANGE OF MOTION BUT THE CONCEPT IS THE SAME...

THIS ALSO CAUSES MISSES AND SOMETIMES IT HOOKS!!!

[daggerkobe]

First of all, u claimed it was penetration that led to the block but the replay clearly shows there was none and was blocked at the line of scrimmage by a DL who didn't even have to leap to block it.

Secondly you're comparing a round soccer ball to a football.

Thirdly u are a complete retard. No one said all long kicks are blocked. But they are blocked at a higher frequency due to the low trajectory required to kick it farther than would a PAT. Why don't u google and show a case where a PAT was blocked by the linemen in the middle.

[ShamsWoof10]

First of all, u claimed it was penetration that led to the block but the replay clearly shows there was none and was blocked at the line of scrimmage by a DL who didn't even have to leap to block it.

Secondly you're comparing a round soccer ball to a football.

Thirdly u are a complete retard.

This is not like kicking a soccer ball

Sooooooo what part of this don't you understand..?

You are a total MORON... I NEVER compared it to kicking a soccer ball... I said it is NOT like kicking a soccer ball dumbas*...

I bet you that you can NOT prove to me it was blocked "AT" the line of scrimmage... You are FULLLLLL OF SH*T and blind as f*ck if you saw that....

[MonkeyF0cker]

Don't even bother with Shams, dagger. He only comes here to argue, even though he is hands down the most ignorant poster on the board. Everyone else knows you're right. No sense in trying to prove to him that the sky appears blue...

[daggerkobe]

I actually played football. Not that u need to have to comprehend simple logic.

I actually do have proof that it was blocked at the line of scrimmage. It's called a REPLAY.

The trjectory of the kick can be controlled simply be the holder tilting the ball. Jeezus ur dense.

[daggerkobe]

Don't even bother with Shams, dagger. He only comes here to argue, even though he is hands down the most ignorant poster on the board. Everyone else knows you're right. No sense in trying to prove to him that the sky appears blue...

You're right. Shouldve learned my lesson the first time I argued with him a while back.

[ShamsWoof10]

I actually played football. Not that u need to have to comprehend simple logic.

I actually do have proof that it was blocked at the line of scrimmage. It's called a REPLAY.

The trjectory of the kick can be controlled simply be the holder tilting the ball. Jeezus ur dense.

You have proof..? Ok then show it dipsh*t.. You and MFooker are both tools that have no f*ckin' clue about this matter and you know it... I don't give a flying f*ck if you played football... DID YOU KICK...? Well I did and I coached it for 8 f*ckin' years MORON!!!

[MonkeyF0cker]

Your team must have been TERRIBLE!

[daggerkobe]

[englishmike]

I just read this thread and can't actually beleive what I've just read. The further away from the posts and the longer the kick....the lower the trajectory.

That's not even debatable and when this idiot said it is debatable you should have stopped there Dags, you're wasting your time.

[ShamsWoof10]

I just read this thread and can't actually beleive what I've just read. The further away from the posts and the longer the kick....the lower the trajectory.

That's not even debatable and when this idiot said it is debatable you should have stopped there Dags, you're wasting your time.

Yeah... NICE PROOF MORONS!!! You call this proof..?????

[tacomax]

Yeah... NICE PROOF MORONS!!! You call this proof..?????

Why not post a youtube video about it? If you can manage to find one that links kick trajectory and 9/11 then all the better.

[englishmike]

Do you think the trajectory is the same from 40 yds as 20 yds? It's basic math and the fact you want to argue means you're incapable of seeing reason or logic, which means I'm wasting my time.

Why do you think you always find yourself in arguments where you're the only one right time and time again, do you think it's because you're an argumentative know-all who actually knows fvck-all or do you think that's a conspiracy theory?

[SBR Lou]

ShamsWoof was a football coach and a mentor to his young cousin Arman , so I would not doubt his football expertise IMO. Especially as it relates to kicking, one guy even thought he was such a good kicker he was going to pass along tape to an Eagles scout...

[ShamsWoof10]

Well "Taco's" is a total waste of time... so movin' on...

Do you think the trajectory is the same from 40 yds as 20 yds?

YES YOU STUPID F*CK>... YES

Do you stop watching an extra point when it crosses the uprights you idiot..?

It's basic math and the fact you want to argue means you're incapable of seeing reason or logic, which means I'm wasting my time.

SHOW ME THE MATH THEN..???

You people all think because you say so that it's fact.. So far you have provided zero explanation.... The fact that the one dildo poster "played" football means he knows the technique of soccer style kicking..?

You guys are total idiots and you don't know ANYTHING about this issue... I am not even bothering with you useless f*cks...

[MonkeyF0cker]

Its called loft, similar to golf. You pull your driver out for long shots and your wedge out for chip shots. Pretty basic stuff.

[SBR Lou]

This is a classic ShamsWoof thread...

What would really make this complete is HedgeHog stumbling on the scene...

[ShamsWoof10]

Its called loft, similar to golf. You pull your driver out for long shots and your wedge out for chip shots. Pretty basic stuff.

Go to bed dude.. FOREVER!!!!

Since you want to "ACT" like you know... explain then... how do they "loft" it then..? Do they ask their coach to pull out the putter leg for extra points..?

[englishmike]

Heres the proof.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/trajs.html#tra16

[BigOrangeTitans]

Ty willingham said after the game that he would NOT have gone for 2pt conversion. I went to the game and I live in Seattle. I can tell you that after the horrible clock management, the stadium was on edge.... The reason? UW finds NEW ways to lose games every year. Being a fan of the program is almost a chore at this point.

When the flag was thrown, i didnt see the actual infraction as the stadium was going NUTs.... After we see the flag a giant hush came over the stadium. They called the penalty and the endzone locker ran into was most BYU fans, and they absolutely erupted. The feelin in the stadium was eerie, and I can tell ya firsthand that everyone there Expected the Inevitable block. I am from the school of thought that a PAT attempt that is nearly twice as far as the original, it gives you twice the chance to have it blocked.

Then it happens, they block the PAT. The entire, and I do mean entire sideline ran onto the field in the worst display of sportsmanship and lack of respect I've ever seen. A usual passive crowd was in an uproar, and began to throw things. It was truly disgusting to see a religious based program do something of that nature. I honestly wanted to beat a BYU cheerleader to a pulp after that.

So yes, that flag robbed the viewers, the players, the programs, and the networks of a great ending to a great game that deserved an extra frame. I've always thought that unless it happens on the field, or is completely blatent, a ref shouldnt call it when it "could" directly change the course of the game. You dont want to ask "who was the officiating team?" directly after 1 call that was made with 2 sec. on the clock.

[englishmike]

Go to bed dude.. FOREVER!!!!

Since you want to "ACT" like you know... explain then... how do they "loft" it then..? Do they ask their coach to pull out the putter leg for extra points..?

How can a coach control the laws of gravity?

if you had brains you'd be dangerous.