Jordan Thinks Only Kobe Deserves To Be Compared To Him

[darkhat]

is this true???

the debate ends here... we can pick it up in 5 years... but at this point, lebron has done more with his surrounding cast in his career then kobe could have ever done

kobe would have 0 rings just as lebron does

There's no way to know because it didn't happen. Kobe is a champion, so he decided to grab some rings early while cheating on his wife.

[dlunc3]

There's no way to know because it didn't happen. Kobe is a champion, so he decided to grab some rings early while cheating on his wife.

yea luke walton is a champion too who cares... put kobe on lebrons cavs teams.. he is basically vince carter and nothing more

[Goat Milk]

kobe should already be the biggest bust of all time.. he could have 10 rings by now if he wasnt a selfish dick to run the most dominant player ever out of town

the thing that makes me most mad is people don't understand that shaq has played with great players his whole career. shaq would never win by himself. never. he had one of the most gifted pg's of all time in hardaway on orlando. then went to la where kobe was a rising star. if kobe wasn't on those championship teams, shaq would be getting doubled and trippled every play and the lakers would be done.

having kobe on the floor allows shaq to do much more.

after that, he rode d wade to a ring. wade dominated the entire playoffs for miami and shaq was simply solid. nothing special. after that, he said "let me try the world's best player in lebron, see if i can get another to rub it in kobe again". he failed. then he said "let me try the next best thing, the big 3 in boston. then i'll beat kobe." no chance.

Since Shaq got his 4th ring with MIA (I have been a MIA fan since they drafted Wade and want them to win every year), I called Kobe retiring with more rings then shaq. even when the future looked bleak, and all the "analysts" were saying Kobe wasn't going to win another, I called it he would get at least 2 more. Because Kobe has the killer instinct that no one else has today. The only person that ever had that was Jordan. Lebron doesn't have it. Wade has some of it. But not to Bryant's level. And I don't think that's something you can develop.

also you don't seem to understand that the Eastern Conference was a joke when Lebron was winning with the cavs early in his career. Literally, that was the worst the EC has been in NBA history...the pistons were pretty much done, the celtics hadn't formed, the magic were nothing, the heat were average, you had .400 teams making the playoffs...

Why do you think AI led the sixers to the finals? LOL. East was nothing for so long after the pacers were done and celtics were in a dump. Pistons were the only good thing for a few years in between.

[dlunc3]

the thing that makes me most mad is people don't understand that shaq has played with great players his whole career. shaq would never win by himself. never. he had one of the most gifted pg's of all time in hardaway on orlando. then went to la where kobe was a rising star. if kobe wasn't on those championship teams, shaq would be getting doubled and trippled every play and the lakers would be done.

having kobe on the floor allows shaq to do much more.

after that, he rode d wade to a ring. wade dominated the entire playoffs for miami and shaq was simply solid. nothing special. after that, he said "let me try the world's best player in lebron, see if i can get another to rub it in kobe again". he failed. then he said "let me try the next best thing, the big 3 in boston. then i'll beat kobe." no chance.

Since Shaq got his 4th ring with MIA (I have been a MIA fan since they drafted Wade and want them to win every year), I called Kobe retiring with more rings then shaq. even when the future looked bleak, and all the "analysts" were saying Kobe wasn't going to win another, I called it he would get at least 2 more. Because Kobe has the killer instinct that no one else has today. The only person that ever had that was Jordan. Lebron doesn't have it. Wade has some of it. But not to Bryant's level. And I don't think that's something you can develop.

what great player has ever won by himself?? lebron is the closest

[darkhat]

yea luke walton is a champion too who cares... put kobe on lebrons cavs teams.. he is basically vince carter and nothing more

So what are you saying, you think he would have 2 rings instead of the 3 with shaq. I say prolly 4 or 5 cause he wouldn't have to share the scoring.

[darkhat]

what great player has ever won by himself?? lebron is the closest

Kobe did it twice, Pau is nothing.

[Goat Milk]

what great player has ever won by himself?? lebron is the closest

Lebron didn't get close to winning by himself. He got swept in the finals. A.I. won 1 game in the finals i'm pretty sure, and his team was much worse then Lebron's cavs. MUCH WORSE.

[dlunc3]

Kobe did it twice, Pau is nothing.

what 20 and 10 four time all star did lebron have?? weird that kobes team was garbage before pau got there huh?

[dlunc3]

Lebron didn't get close to winning by himself. He got swept in the finals. A.I. won 1 game in the finals i'm pretty sure, and his team was much worse then Lebron's cavs. MUCH WORSE.

much worse? AI had the 6th man of the year and the defensive player of the yr on that team and the coach of the yr... lebron had brown

what player has ever won a championship by himself? kobe couldnt and couldnt even get his team to the finals like lebron did

[upscope]

so why do we hate on lebron... do we not see all he accomplished without even 1 all star on his team, let along a top 50 player or hall of famer???????

Kobe nor LeBron will ever be Jordan. Nobody else for that matter either.

Btw....your comment couldn't be any further from the truth.
The Cavs had 4 all-stars in their starting line-UP
The Heat have 3

[Goat Milk]

Kobe did it twice, Pau is nothing.

I agree that Pau is a bit overrated. He's still a good big man, very skilled, but very weak at times. the Bryant hate will never stop and that's just how it is. Even in game 7 of the NBA finals in 2010, when Bryant had an off game after he completely dominated the previous 6 (who was showing up on the road in Boston in game 3-5? Was Ron Artest there? What about Bynum? Gasol had a good game or 2, but Bryant carried the team and gave them a chance to win all those games). Then in game 7, Bryant snagged 15 rebounds and hit every free throw down the stretch in the 4th quarter.

He drew a double team in the finals minute to leave artest wide open for the 3. lol. and people say artest won that game. If Bryant's not on the floor, artest is never open for that 3.

[Goat Milk]

much worse? AI had the 6th man of the year and the defensive player of the yr on that team and the coach of the yr... lebron had brown what player has ever won a championship by himself? kobe couldnt and couldnt even get his team to the finals like lebron did

Didn't I just explain the structure of the Western Conference and Eastern conference at the years your talking about? That's why Iverson got to the finals with a shit team as well. Lebron did have "technically" all stars on that team, not that they're truly all starts, but you understand how bad the east was when they were swept in the finals, and swept easily......

[darkhat]

I agree that Pau is a bit overrated. He's still a good big man, very skilled, but very weak at times. the Bryant hate will never stop and that's just how it is. Even in game 7 of the NBA finals in 2010, when Bryant had an off game after he completely dominated the previous 6 (who was showing up on the road in Boston in game 3-5? Was Ron Artest there? What about Bynum? Gasol had a good game or 2, but Bryant carried the team and gave them a chance to win all those games). Then in game 7, Bryant snagged 15 rebounds and hit every free throw down the stretch in the 4th quarter.

He drew a double team in the finals minute to leave artest wide open for the 3. lol. and people say artest won that game. If Bryant's not on the floor, artest is never open for that 3.

boom

[dlunc3]

Kobe nor LeBron will ever be Jordan. Nobody else for that matter either.

Btw....your comment couldn't be any further from the truth.
The Cavs had 4 all-stars in their starting line-UP
The Heat have 3

please dont compare illgauskas, mo williams, jamison or the shaq that played in cleveland to pippen rodman pau or 2001 shaq or to todays bosh or wade

cmon now

[zsr]

Kobe and Lebron will never be in the conversation with Jordan. Period. not sure why everyone doesn't realize this and it keeps coming up.

Sure Kobe and Jordan both won with ONE other all star, Lebron has TWO. That's the obvious difference your missing here dlunc. Bosh is a number 1 option, he's soft like pau but the guy is a legitimate elite player on any other team, and wade is obviously top 4 right now..

I'm not sure why your arguing this so much, Lebron had a chance last year and played terrible in the finals. Let's see what he does this year before you crown him. I agree those Cleveland teams were laughable and Dan Gilbert blew it there..should of got amare.

[dlunc3]

I agree that Pau is a bit overrated. He's still a good big man, very skilled, but very weak at times. the Bryant hate will never stop and that's just how it is. Even in game 7 of the NBA finals in 2010, when Bryant had an off game after he completely dominated the previous 6 (who was showing up on the road in Boston in game 3-5? Was Ron Artest there? What about Bynum? Gasol had a good game or 2, but Bryant carried the team and gave them a chance to win all those games). Then in game 7, Bryant snagged 15 rebounds and hit every free throw down the stretch in the 4th quarter.

He drew a double team in the finals minute to leave artest wide open for the 3. lol. and people say artest won that game. If Bryant's not on the floor, artest is never open for that 3.

ok answer this... why were the lakers completely irrelevant after shaq and before pau? bc kobe couldnt do it himself, and noone in recent history ever could... lebron came the closest with no perennial all star as a sidekick

[dlunc3]

Kobe and Lebron will never be in the conversation with Jordan. Period. not sure why everyone doesn't realize this and it keeps coming up.

Sure Kobe and Jordan both won with ONE other all star, Lebron has TWO. That's the obvious difference your missing here dlunc. Bosh is a number 1 option, he's soft like pau but the guy is a legitimate elite player on any other team, and wade is obviously top 4 right now..

I'm not sure why your arguing this so much, Lebron had a chance last year and played terrible in the finals. Let's see what he does this year before you crown him. I agree those Cleveland teams were laughable and Dan Gilbert blew it there..should of got amare.

lebron might have two right now, but rodman and pippen would be better for lebron then bosh and wade and that is obvious... where is lebrons kuckoc, kerr and harper?

again, no team can win with just one star... so now that lebron has some, we will see... in his first yr, he got to the nba finals.. lets see where he goes from here

[zsr]

Wade is a better player then pippen was, it's really not close. You know I'm a bulls homer but Scottie was the most overrated player in the history of basketball.

[darkhat]

lebron might have two right now, but rodman and pippen would be better for lebron then bosh and wade and that is obvious... where is lebrons kuckoc, kerr and harper?

again, no team can win with just one star... so now that lebron has some, we will see... in his first yr, he got to the nba finals.. lets see where he goes from here

The fact that they didn't sweep the finals with that team is unreal.

[dlunc3]

Wade is a better player then pippen was, it's really not close. You know I'm a bulls homer but Scottie was the most overrated player in the history of basketball.

but pip was what jordan needed... wade and lebron are the same type player... they do not compliment each other well, at least not yet

I was impressed what pip did the year jordan was out though

[Goat Milk]

Kobe will never be in the conversation with Jordan. Period. not sure why everyone doesn't realize this and it keeps coming up.

lol thanks for the laugh.

ok answer this... why were the lakers completely irrelevant after shaq and before pau? bc kobe couldnt do it himself, and noone in recent history ever could... lebron came the closest with no perennial all star as a sidekick

lebron might have two right now, but rodman and pippen would be better for lebron then bosh and wade and that is obvious... where is lebrons kuckoc, kerr and harper? again, no team can win with just one star... so now that lebron has some, we will see... in his first yr, he got to the nba finals.. lets see where he goes from here

You need to let Miami have time to develop. That combination will be the best two ever seen as long as Wade stays healthy for mutiple playoff runs. They are going to win it all this year and most of the Lebron haters will dissapear into their shells. So don't worry, you'll get to bump a lot of these threads after the year.

The reason Kobe did nothing is because the Western conference was a powerhouse bro. All 8 teams were great, except the Lakers. Didn't we just maintain that he had Kwame Brown and Smush parker as starting in the lineup? Those guys can't even make an NBA roster today.

Lebron doesn't just have an all-star. He has a top 3 player in the world on his team that has peformed at an all-time high level in nba finals games....Wade has better stats in the nba finals games than any player in the modern era probably including jordan.

[upscope]

please dont compare illgauskas, mo williams, jamison or the shaq that played in cleveland to pippen rodman pau or 2001 shaq or to todays bosh or wade

cmon now

You said he never played w/ even one all-star which was false

Illgauskas isn't even in the equation. Nobody's comparing anybody to anybody else but Mo, Shaq & Jamison along w/ James were all current all-stars. It's funny how they dominated the regular season w/ 66 & 62 wins. Had the MVP, coach of the yr, #1 ranked defense, best bench in the league, home court throughout, unbeatable team w/ 4 all-stars in the starting line-UP then after LeBron quits on them them & they fizzle out when it matters most everybody claims he had no talent.
Then it's on to Miami to play w/ Team USA's starting line-UP & we all know what happened there. You act as if LeBron hasn't had anybody around him for this run when in reality his teams have been the odds on favorite going into the playoffs for 3 yrs running. You don't win 66 & 62 games in the reg season w/o talent around you.

[zsr]

Lol goat milk weird how everyone in basketball, analysts, players, etc have Jordan clear number one? Do we need to post the stats again?

[RoadFavorites$$$]

What about Rose? There is this D-rose MVP video on youtube that gives me chills when Rose does the MJ 'shrug' after a great play.

I know they are different style players, but Rose might be good enough to MEAN as much to a team. It isn't likely, but if he keeps improving his shot it could happen.

[zsr]

Road favorites, I posted this before, rose is on his way to becoming the best player in the league. He has the Jordan/Kobe mentality too, only cares about winning.

This eras Miami heat is like Jordan when he had to break through the "bad boy" pistons..

[Goat Milk]

Lol goat milk weird how everyone in basketball, analysts, players, etc have Jordan clear number one? Do we need to post the stats again?

Those same analysts also said Shaq would retire with more rings than Kobe. Go back and watch ESPN footage from 04-07 if you want. They were debating putting Bryant in the top 10 all time They all had Shaq going down as a better player than him.

Those analysts don't know shit. Only a few select do. I called Kobe retiring with more rings even after Shaq got his 4th with Wade.

[darkhat]

You said he never played w/ even one all-star which was false

Illgauskas isn't even in the equation. Nobody's comparing anybody to anybody else but Mo, Shaq & Jamison along w/ James were all current all-stars. It's funny how they dominated the regular season w/ 66 & 62 wins. Had the MVP, coach of the yr, #1 ranked defense, best bench in the league, home court throughout, unbeatable team w/ 4 all-stars in the starting line-UP then after LeBron quits on them them & they fizzle out when it matters most everybody claims he had no talent.
Then it's on to Miami to play w/ Team USA's starting line-UP & we all know what happened there. You act as if LeBron hasn't had anybody around him for this run when in reality his teams have been the odds on favorite going into the playoffs for 3 yrs running. You don't win 66 & 62 games in the reg season w/o talent around you.

[dlunc3]

You said he never played w/ even one all-star which was false

Illgauskas isn't even in the equation. Nobody's comparing anybody to anybody else but Mo, Shaq & Jamison along w/ James were all current all-stars. It's funny how they dominated the regular season w/ 66 & 62 wins. Had the MVP, coach of the yr, #1 ranked defense, best bench in the league, home court throughout, unbeatable team w/ 4 all-stars in the starting line-UP then after LeBron quits on them them & they fizzle out when it matters most everybody claims he had no talent.
Then it's on to Miami to play w/ Team USA's starting line-UP & we all know what happened there. You act as if LeBron hasn't had anybody around him for this run when in reality his teams have been the odds on favorite going into the playoffs for 3 yrs running. You don't win 66 & 62 games in the reg season w/o talent around you.

He never had a perennial all star, and thats what it takes. Mo only made the all star team that yr bc of injuries to other players.. and we both know shaq was not an all star caliber player at that stage of his career... jamison wasnt an all star any years with lebron was he?

[Goat Milk]

ZS I have said the same thing about Rose. He will be the best player in the NBA in 2 years. He has the killer instinct for sure and he will win multiple rings, but not til 2 more years at least.

[dlunc3]

Those same analysts also said Shaq would retire with more rings than Kobe. Go back and watch ESPN footage from 04-07 if you want. They were debating putting Bryant in the top 10 all time They all had Shaq going down as a better player than him.

Those analysts don't know shit. Only a few select do. I called Kobe retiring with more rings even after Shaq got his 4th with Wade.

they also didnt expect memphis to gift wrap pau and hand him to kobe along with two rings

[zsr]

Those same analysts also said Shaq would retire with more rings than Kobe. Go back and watch ESPN footage from 04-07 if you want. They were debating putting Bryant in the top 10 all time They all had Shaq going down as a better player than him.

Those analysts don't know shit. Only a few select do. I called Kobe retiring with more rings even after Shaq got his 4th with Wade.

Ok, everyone in basketball knows Jordan is number one. There's no debate.

Funny, I saw you use the analysts top 10 list in an argument earlier in a thread, now they dont know shit when they disagree with you You can look at all the numbers, clutch shots, rings, defense, etc. There's no comparison.

Goat just be serious for a second, you know Kobe is top 4, but you dont seriously believe he's better than Jordan do you?

[dlunc3]

ZS I have said the same thing about Rose. He will be the best player in the NBA in 2 years. He has the killer instinct for sure and he will win multiple rings, but not til 2 more years at least.

he also will not win rings without a perennial all star next to him... not a chance, esp with all these players teaming up these days.. without one, he will be focused on and shut down like miami did to him last yr

[zsr]

Dlunc everything he did this summer was about beating Lebron off the dribble in the 4th, he worked with Kobe in the phillipines, I'm not saying he can do it alone, but I can't wait for the series.. Will be fun to watch.

[RoadFavorites$$$]

he also will not win rings without a perennial all star next to him... not a chance, esp with all these players teaming up these days.. without one, he will be focused on and shut down like miami did to him last yr

AS I just mentioned in another thread, he would have a star beside him in Chicago if the Bulls didn't trade Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas.

That being said, if anyone can do it alone, Rose can. He seems to make players around him substantially better. Maybe Deng can be his Pippen this year.

[dlunc3]

Dlunc everything he did this summer was about beating Lebron off the dribble in the 4th, he worked with Kobe in the phillipines, I'm not saying he can do it alone, but I can't wait for the series.. Will be fun to watch.

i like rose... i just think it will be tough for a player his size to be able to single handedly beat these teams with 2/3 top all stars... i think we saw AI back in the early 2000s do as much as possible that one small player could do... and it wasnt enough