Jordan Thinks Only Kobe Deserves To Be Compared To Him

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#1) lebron is maybe the most gifted and talented athlete of all time.. if he can get his headgame figured out, he could easily be one of the best ever

#2) bc people keep calling kobe "clutch"... when stats prove otherwise

LOLOL.. There really has never been player so talented, yet so mentally weak as lebron.

Also, stats don't always show clutch, you can't take in account specific moments in games, along with how he actually closes the game.

If you use just stats sometimes, you'll see in the 4th quarter Tony Romo basically has the highest efficiency and QB rating in the history of the universe. His "clutch" stats are awesome, but he loses. So he really isn't clutch.

[dlunc3]

LOLOL.. There really has never been player so talented, yet so mentally weak as lebron.

Also, stats don't always show clutch, you can't take in account specific moments in games, along with how he actually closes the game.

If you use just stats sometimes, you'll see in the 4th quarter Tony Romo basically has the highest efficiency and QB rating in the history of the universe. His "clutch" stats are awesome, but he loses. So he really isn't clutch.

#1: lebron is only 27...sure he was mentally weak up till now, as he is still maturing, and has a whole career ahead of him.. either way, no player in history has accomplished as much as he has by age 27

#2: no, tony romo is not clutch when it matters... in the post season, his clutch stats suck... as do kobe bryants.. whether it be early in his career, or now at age 33 at the end of his career

[zsr]

Lebron shouldn't be compared to these guys, he should be compared to Oscar and magic, he's a dominant point guard and a great defender, there's no question wade is the killer on that team though.

[darkhat]

For this season tony romo had a 104.4 rating in the 4th quarter. 10 tds to 2 interceptions. I don't like him, but on paper that doesn't look bad.

[dlunc3]

For this season tony romo had a 104.4 rating in the 4th quarter. 10 tds to 2 interceptions. I don't like him, but on paper that doesn't look bad.

how does he do in the post season?

[dlunc3]

Lebron shouldn't be compared to these guys, he should be compared to Oscar and magic, he's a dominant point guard and a great defender, there's no question wade is the killer on that team though.

correct... he is oscar and magic... but can also score if needed

judging the guy this early in his career is nuts.. he is the best player of all time at age 27... the hate he gets is ridiculous

[darkhat]

#1: lebron is only 27...sure he was mentally weak up till now, as he is still maturing, and has a whole career ahead of him.. either way, no player in history has accomplished as much as he has by age 27

#2: no, tony romo is not clutch when it matters... in the post season, his clutch stats suck... as do kobe bryants.. whether it be early in his career, or now at age 33 at the end of his career

I overlooked you said post season, yah same with lebron, he's clearly on a juggernaut team that should win it all, so when it matters for them is the finals, where he checks out.

[Goat Milk]

#1: lebron is only 27...sure he was mentally weak up till now, as he is still maturing, and has a whole career ahead of him.. either way, no player in history has accomplished as much as he has by age 27 #2: no, tony romo is not clutch when it matters... in the post season, his clutch stats suck... as do kobe bryants.. whether it be early in his career, or now at age 33 at the end of his career

Kobe had multiple rings by the time he was 27....

Bro, stats don't mean anything in this business. There are guys in the NBA that have been stat machines, every year, year in year out, their whole careers. And they go without every winning a ring. Because they have no killer instinct. Do you understand why Wilt Chamberlain was averaging ridiculous numbers? It's because the game was way faster, leading to more possessions, leading to inflated stats. He also played with 0 competition. If you watch Chamberlain on film you will see he is no where near a top 10 player of all time. But of course, the stats show otherwise.

The stats show that he may be the greatest ever to play the game. People say you can't compare era's of basketball but I say you can. No one will ever be as good as Jordan or Kobe. No one. In 50 years, those two will still be the best two ever to play the game. I'm 100% certain about that.

A poll conducted a year or two ago asked a panel of 200 current nba players who they would want taking the last shot of a game if he were on their team for the win. an astonishing 75% (or maybe even more, I would have to check) said Kobe, 3% for Lebron, and I think 3% for Wade (and Wade and Lebron were like 2 and 3 on that list if I remember right).

[darkhat]

correct... he is oscar and magic... but can also score if needed

judging the guy this early in his career is nuts.. he is the best player of all time at age 27... the hate he gets is ridiculous

using "needed" loosely.

[darkhat]

Kobe had multiple rings by the time he was 27....

Bro, stats don't mean anything in this business. There are guys in the NBA that have been stat machines, every year, year in year out, their whole careers. And they go without every winning a ring. Because they have no killer instinct. Do you understand why Wilt Chamberlain was averaging ridiculous numbers? It's because the game was way faster, leading to more possessions, leading to inflated stats. He also played with 0 competition. If you watch Chamberlain on film you will see he is no where near a top 10 player of all time. But of course, the stats show otherwise.

The stats show that he may be the greatest ever to play the game. People say you can't compare era's of basketball but I say you can. No one will ever be as good as Jordan or Kobe. No one. In 50 years, those two will still be the best two ever to play the game. I'm 100% certain about that.

A poll conducted a year or two ago asked a panel of 200 current nba players who they would want taking the last shot of a game if he were on their team for the win. an astonishing 75% (or maybe even more, I would have to check) said Kobe, 3% for Lebron, and I think 3% for Wade (and Wade and Lebron were like 2 and 3 on that list if I remember right).

I agree.

[Goat Milk]

Dlunc,

you act like James is a 2nd year player. He's in his 9th NBA season. Obviously James will win multiple rings by the time he retires but it won't be 5 or 6. It will be 3 at most.

[darkhat]

Dlunc,

you act like James is a 2nd year player. He's in his 9th NBA season. Obviously James will win multiple rings by the time he retires but it won't be 5 or 6. It will be 3 at most.

And even if he wins 6, he tarnished his legacy and generally will not be accepted in the conversation with kobe, much less jordan.

[dlunc3]

Dlunc,

you act like James is a 2nd year player. He's in his 9th NBA season. Obviously James will win multiple rings by the time he retires but it won't be 5 or 6. It will be 3 at most.

again.. jordan didnt win a ring until he was 28... why is lebron not given that chance before being hated??

and you really think kobe would have had rings by age 27 if he was drafted in cleveland instead of being in LA??? kobes years in this league by age 27 dont even come close to lebrons.. surrounding cast does not define how great a player is

[dlunc3]

And even if he wins 6, he tarnished his legacy and generally will not be accepted in the conversation with kobe, much less jordan.

Jordans teams were better then lebrons... if lebron had pip and rodman instead of wade and bosh, that miami team would be better off... not to mention all the other good players around jordan over the idiots in miami

lebron would also be better off with shaq in his prime instead of wade/bosh... no chance his legacy is tarnished.. his surrounding cast still isnt as good as jordans and kobes were

[darkhat]

again.. jordan didnt win a ring until he was 28... why is lebron not given that chance before being hated??

and you really think kobe would have had rings by age 27 if he was drafted in cleveland instead of being in LA??? kobes years in this league by age 27 dont even come close to lebrons.. surrounding cast does not define how great a player is

You're right, the best player of all time just needs some more support besides being involved in a starting 5 that has 3 team USA members. I think he just needs some help, maybe Darren Williams can provide him with a 4th top 3 player at a position now that he may ask for a trade.. Guy just needs some support.

[dlunc3]

if anyone wants to show me any player in the history that has accomplished more then lebron by age 27... by all means (we are comparing players here, not teams)

[darkhat]

Jordans teams were better then lebrons... if lebron had pip and rodman instead of wade and bosh, that miami team would be better off... not to mention all the other good players around jordan over the idiots in miami

lebron would also be better off with shaq in his prime instead of wade/bosh... no chance his legacy is tarnished.. his surrounding cast still isnt as good as jordans and kobes were

hahahhahahhahaha.. Kobe has Pau for 2 rings and 3 west championships in a row.. Pau is garbage.

[dlunc3]

You're right, the best player of all time just needs some more support besides being involved in a starting 5 that has 3 team USA members. I think he just needs some help, maybe Darren Williams can provide him with a 4th top 3 player at a position now that he may ask for a trade.. Guy just needs some support.

if lebron were drafted in la instead of cleveland, he would probably end his career with double digit rings and be known already as top 5 of all time by age 27... he would have won 5+ with shaq bc he isnt the selfish dick kobe is to run him out of town.. then he would have won multiple with pau...

how did kobe do with no shaq or pau?? thats right, his team was garbage..

how did lebron do with no other all stars on his team? thats right, he was going to championships and winning 60 games

[dlunc3]

hahahhahahhahaha.. Kobe has Pau for 2 rings and 3 west championships in a row.. Pau is garbage.

where was kobe without pau? thats right, his team was shit

[Goat Milk]

Jordans teams were better then lebrons... if lebron had pip and rodman instead of wade and bosh, that miami team would be better off... not to mention all the other good players around jordan over the idiots in miami lebron would also be better off with shaq in his prime instead of wade/bosh... no chance his legacy is tarnished.. his surrounding cast still isnt as good as jordans and kobes were

Miami has the best team right now (talent wise) ever put together in nba history and the only one that can remotely compare is the bulls when they had rodman.

Wade and Lebron are 2 of the top 3 in the world currently. That's never happened on 1 team in NBA history. Not sure how you are calling Wade, a guy that completely dominated both NBA finals series' he's played in, a scrub when he has a ring......

Miami had 0 excuse to lose in the finals. Lebron folded up shop in the finals. Plain and simple. Sure he's the best player in the world right now but there's no excuse why he shouldn't have won last year.

[darkhat]

BTW: I don't remember Jordan having 3 team USA members on one team.

[darkhat]

Miami has the best team right now (talent wise) ever put together in nba history and the only one that can remotely compare is the bulls when they had rodman.

Wade and Lebron are 2 of the top 3 in the world currently. That's never happened on 1 team in NBA history. Not sure how you are calling Wade, a guy that completely dominated both NBA finals series' he's played in, a scrub when he has a ring......

Miami had 0 excuse to lose in the finals. Lebron folded up shop in the finals. Plain and simple. Sure he's the best player in the world right now but there's no excuse why he shouldn't have won last year.

There is no excuse.. HUGE upset, because he couldn't close on the moment.

[dlunc3]

Miami has the best team right now (talent wise) ever put together in nba history and the only one that can remotely compare is the bulls when they had rodman.

Wade and Lebron are 2 of the top 3 in the world currently. That's never happened on 1 team in NBA history. Not sure how you are calling Wade, a guy that completely dominated both NBA finals series' he's played in, a scrub when he has a ring......

Miami had 0 excuse to lose in the finals. Lebron folded up shop in the finals. Plain and simple. Sure he's the best player in the world right now but there's no excuse why he shouldn't have won last year.

you are right, he did fold up... but how dominant was he in other playoff rounds prior to the finals?? he did fold up though, but luckily he was still young and will learn from it


add lebron to the early 2000 lakers team instead of kobe, or jordans bulls team instead of jordan, they would be better then this miami team... sure bosh and wade are great players, but they dont compliment each other... look how this team is playing with wade injured

[Goat Milk]

where was kobe without pau? thats right, his team was shit

He was scoring 82 in a single game, and 62 after three quarters, outscoring the whole mavs team on his own with one of the shittiest teams in the western conference featuring Luke Walton, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown, all guys that can't even get court time right now...

Like I said, stats don't matter. All that matters is who shows up in the finals and who doesn't. Wade showed why he is one of the greatest playoff performers of all time last year once again. Wade was the best player on the floor in the finals followed by Dirk. Lebron wasn't even as good as Terry that series. So don't come in with that "if Lebron had this team." Miami is the best team in the NBA talent wise by a mile- its the best team that's ever been put together and I've been around basketball my entire life.

[dlunc3]

Miami has the best team right now (talent wise) ever put together in nba history and the only one that can remotely compare is the bulls when they had rodman.

Wade and Lebron are 2 of the top 3 in the world currently. That's never happened on 1 team in NBA history. Not sure how you are calling Wade, a guy that completely dominated both NBA finals series' he's played in, a scrub when he has a ring......

Miami had 0 excuse to lose in the finals. Lebron folded up shop in the finals. Plain and simple. Sure he's the best player in the world right now but there's no excuse why he shouldn't have won last year.

lebron would win more games/championships with shaq in the 2000s or pip + friends in the 90s then he will with miami.. it is a team sport, players need chemistry

[dlunc3]

He was scoring 82 in a single game, and 62 after three quarters, outscoring the whole mavs team on his own with one of the shittiest teams in the western conference featuring Luke Walton, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown, all guys that can't even get court time right now...

Like I said, stats don't matter. All that matters is who shows up in the finals and who doesn't. Wade showed why he is one of the greatest playoff performers of all time last year once again. Wade was the best player on the floor in the finals followed by Dirk. Lebron wasn't even as good as Terry that series. So don't come in with that "if Lebron had this team." Miami is the best team in the NBA talent wise by a mile- its the best team that's ever been put together and I've been around basketball my entire life.

were they winning? no, he was a ballhog on a losing team... aka iverson, except at least he got his garbage team to the finals

[Goat Milk]

you are right, he did fold up... but how dominant was he in other playoff rounds prior to the finals?? he did fold up though, but luckily he was still young and will learn from it add lebron to the early 2000 lakers team instead of kobe, or jordans bulls team instead of jordan, they would be better then this miami team... sure bosh and wade are great players, but they dont compliment each other... look how this team is playing with wade injured

Come on. It's the regular season, which you should know means nothing. If they were to play without Wade in a 7 game series they would get slapped around.

The difference in Lebron I see this year is he's starting to play in the post. He's the most gifted athlete I've ever seen. He's listed at 240 but he's really 270 if not more. He's the strongest forward in the history of the league. Kobe was playing in the post in playoffs when he was 23 24 years old and that gave the lakers great success, that's the big difference.

[dlunc3]

He was scoring 82 in a single game, and 62 after three quarters, outscoring the whole mavs team on his own with one of the shittiest teams in the western conference featuring Luke Walton, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown, all guys that can't even get court time right now...

Like I said, stats don't matter. All that matters is who shows up in the finals and who doesn't. Wade showed why he is one of the greatest playoff performers of all time last year once again. Wade was the best player on the floor in the finals followed by Dirk. Lebron wasn't even as good as Terry that series. So don't come in with that "if Lebron had this team." Miami is the best team in the NBA talent wise by a mile- its the best team that's ever been put together and I've been around basketball my entire life.

2001 lakers and mid 90s bulls teams would beat this miami team and there really is not debate at this point.. maybe in 3 years after this team gels more, but as of now, they would lose a 7 game series easily

[darkhat]

Usually you can use the playoff argument, but for a team that should be penciled in to win the championship, only the finals mattered. If Lebron doesn't win the next 6 years in a row he should go down as the biggest bust of all time.

[darkhat]

2001 lakers and mid 90s bulls teams would beat this miami team and there really is not debate at this point.. maybe in 3 years after this team gels more, but as of now, they would lose a 7 game series easily

Not because of talent though, because guys like Jordan and Kobe have no fear of failure.

[dlunc3]

Come on. It's the regular season, which you should know means nothing. If they were to play without Wade in a 7 game series they would get slapped around.

The difference in Lebron I see this year is he's starting to play in the post. He's the most gifted athlete I've ever seen. He's listed at 240 but he's really 270 if not more. He's the strongest forward in the history of the league. Kobe was playing in the post in playoffs when he was 23 24 years old and that gave the lakers great success, that's the big difference.

kobe would have 0 rings at this point in his career if he got drafted in cleveland too.. so to hold that against lebron is foolish

[dlunc3]

Usually you can use the playoff argument, but for a team that should be penciled in to win the championship, only the finals mattered. If Lebron doesn't win the next 6 years in a row he should go down as the biggest bust of all time.

kobe should already be the biggest bust of all time.. he could have 10 rings by now if he wasnt a selfish dick to run the most dominant player ever out of town

[darkhat]

kobe would have 0 rings at this point in his career if he got drafted in cleveland too.. so to hold that against lebron is foolish

anyone can say would of or should of. If Lebron had a killer instinct they would of won in the finals. If Kobe played 10 years in italy he wouldn't have a ring. If Jordan would of or would not of.

[dlunc3]

kobe would have 0 rings at this point in his career if he got drafted in cleveland too.. so to hold that against lebron is foolish

is this true???

the debate ends here... we can pick it up in 5 years... but at this point, lebron has done more with his surrounding cast in his career then kobe could have ever done

kobe would have 0 rings just as lebron does

[onlooker]

If Lebron doesn't win the next 6 years in a row he should go down as the biggest bust of all time.

The hate for Lebron is just hilarious.