Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin...Pick 'em

[ryanXL977]

whats incredible is that people dont realize that the conservative movement has done nothing good for anyone who isnt already rich. nothing.
its the most incredible sell job of all time.
its like convincing people ghonorrea is good for them and then they do their best to contract it themselves

if the usa votes for mccain, they desrve to be finished, bc its over if they win

[WileOut]

The US is the least liberal of all the developed countries on earth.


If McCain wins I'm turning in my passport.

Huh? China? Cuba? Russia? North Korea? Iran? Israel? etc. etc. etc.?

[ryanXL977]

which of those countries is developed?

[WileOut]

which of those countries is developed?

Every one of them. Are you serious with that question?

[ryanXL977]

define developed

[durito]

Huh? China? Cuba? Russia? North Korea? Iran? Israel? etc. etc. etc.?

Cuba is communist so yes, the usa would be WAY less "liberal".

North Korea and Iran are not considered developed countries by any measure.

China and Russia are generally considered developing countries. They certainly are dictatorships.

Israel, maybe, but from a social perspective they are far more liberal than the US.

[ryanXL977]

Every one of them. Are you serious with that question?

developing is what you mean
not developed

[durito]

If you want to be more technical, the US is the least liberal democracy in the the developed world.

[ryanXL977]

If you want to be more technical, the US is the least liberal democracy in the the developed world.

thats not how it started out
these conservatives should read the constitution and go to philly and read about our history

where we are is not where we should be

[durito]

The Republicans have done an incredible job at managing to convince a large part of the American public to vote for them even though they don't have any of their interests at heart.

They've done this by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Fear of terrorists, fear of immigrants, fear of minorities, etc.

I do know some smart people that vote republican, but they all make at least $300,000 a year. Still I think they are selling the country out for a few extra $, but at least I understand where they are coming from. It's the people making $76,000 a year voting republican that baffle me.

[Tchocky]

i'm voting for the white party.

White Power! That's a great rallying call for the Republican Party.

[WileOut]

developing is what you mean
not developed

The Chinese own half of America. They are fully developed. So is Israel and Russia. They are fully developed.

[ryanXL977]

china has 750000000 making less than 2k a year
they aint fully developed

[ryanXL977]

The Republicans have done an incredible job at managing to convince a large part of the American public to vote for them even though they don't have any of their interests at heart.

They've done this by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Fear of terrorists, fear of immigrants, fear of minorities, etc.

I do know some smart people that vote republican, but they all make at least $300,000 a year. Still I think they are selling the country out for a few extra $, but at least I understand where they are coming from. It's the people making $76,000 a year voting republican that baffle me.

man, i think this every single day
i understand why the greedy rich vote gop, i mean, it nets them an extra 20k a year (though bc of gop fiscal policies, the dollar seems to be worth less and less every day).

but i just cant fathom how people really fear terrorism. its such an easy problem to solve
spend the money from the war on infrastructure, schools, and jobs in the middle east and the people of those coiuntries will kill the "terrorists" themselves

boggles my ming how anyone could think killing people will solve "terror"

as if terror is a real problem we really need to focus on
like fighting lightning or masturbation

[smitch124]

After seeing us elect Gee Dub to a second term, I wouldn't be surprised by ANYTHING that happens in this election.

[WileOut]

If you want to be more technical, the US is the least liberal democracy in the the developed world.

Israel is less liberal for sure. I don't know enough about the other democratic countries to answer this specific question.

But the way you phrased it first, there are many more less liberal than america.

You can blame a lot of our newly imposed loss of certain freedoms on terrorism. That is why Israel is so tight. You have a country there that has a buss full of children blown up daily and you will tend to lock the country down. The US is trying to prevent this from happening here.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with a lot of what has been done but some of it is warranted. The muslim war with Christians and Jews is going to ultimately end the world. In 20 years there will be a 9-11 weekly.

I don't agree with the war on drugs or the war on gambling though. These 2 measures are asinine.

[ryanXL977]

the us is trying to prevent it from happening here by doing what? starting a war in a random country in the middle east. does anyhere understand its precisely what the jihadists wanted BC THEY COULD NEVER FIGHT US HERE., ever
nobody could ever invade us. israel is in the middle east, not the us.

you guys are scared of nothing
what a waste of time


the war on terror is more assinine than anything this country ahs ever done
its simply a ruse designed to steal rights and money from our pockets
and the dumb scaredy cats bought it

oooh, the towelheads wanna kill us, ooooh, they hate our freedoms


go travel, they dont hate us at all, they hate our government

[TheLock]

The US is the least liberal of all the developed countries on earth.


If McCain wins I'm turning in my passport.

You'll keep your passport for 8 years of W but turn it in if McCain wins?


At least McCain is relatively intelligent and was a POW for 5 years.

[ryanXL977]

wait a second now,

mccain was a POW for 5 years?

when was this news released?!?!?!?!

[WileOut]

ryan every person in America was for the war on terror when 9-11 happened. There are still terrorists bombings every day in other parts of the world.

I'm telling you right now though, the terrorists are going to get nuclear weapons and LA, NY, and/or DC is going to be blown to pieces if there aren't any measures taken to stop it. It will probably happen anyway but you have to at least try to stop it.

From your posts I don't think you have the ability to comprehend this though. Do you know how many of the middle east's religious leaders have declared all out war on all Jewish and Christian nations?

[TheLock]

wait a second now,

mccain was a POW for 5 years?

when was this news released?!?!?!?!

I think you're being sarcastic but:


John McCain's capture and imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam, when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.[31][32] McCain fractured both arms and a leg, and then nearly drowned, when he parachuted into Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.[31] After he regained consciousness, a crowd attacked him, crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt, and bayoneted him.[31] Lieutenant Commander McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hoa Lo Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".[32]


McCain being pulled from Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi and becoming a POW[33] on October 26, 1967
Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, instead beating and interrogating him to get information, and he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral.[34] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.[35][36]
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.[31] Now having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[31] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[37] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.[38] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[39]



In mid–1968, McCain's father was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and McCain was offered early release.[40] The North Vietnamese made that offer because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[41] and also wanted to show other POWs that elites like McCain were willing to be treated preferentially.[40] McCain turned down the offer of repatriation; he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well.[31]




In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[42] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[31][42] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, which was stopped by guards.[31] After four days, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[31] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[43][44] His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[45] He subsequently received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[46] Other American POWs were similarly tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements.[47]

[smitch124]

I'm telling you right now though, the terrorists are going to get nuclear weapons and LA, NY, and/or DC is going to be blown to pieces if there aren't any measures taken to stop it. It will probably happen anyway but you have to at least try to stop it.

Come on Ryan, don't you watch 24?

[ryanXL977]

ryan every person in America was for the war on terror when 9-11 happened. There are still terrorists bombings every day in other parts of the world.

I'm telling you right now though, the terrorists are going to get nuclear weapons and LA, NY, and/or DC is going to be blown to pieces if there aren't any measures taken to stop it. It will probably happen anyway but you have to at least try to stop it.

From your posts I don't think you have the ability to comprehend this though. Do you know how many of the middle east's religious leaders have declared all out war on all Jewish and Christian nations?

why are you afraid of something that hasnt come close to touching you and never will
and what does iraq have to do with anything
do you understand how much nukes cost and how hard they are to build. tell me about all the countries who have declared war on america. name me a country who has invaded us, ever.

not bombed
invaded

and i know tons of people who werent for the war on terror after 911, people who actually take time to think instead of just reacting like a ****ing dumb ape

[Capybara]

whats incredible is that people dont realize that the conservative movement has done nothing good for anyone who isnt already rich. nothing.
its the most incredible sell job of all time.
its like convincing people ghonorrea is good for them and then they do their best to contract it themselves

if the usa votes for mccain, they desrve to be finished, bc its over if they win

+1

[ryanXL977]

yes lock i know he was a pow, who cares though. i mean, what does that have to do with any qualifications to lead? he was also a member of the keating 5, he also ****ed around on his wife who had cancer and waited for him while he was a pow.
getting shot down makes you less qualified to lead, what a shitty solider i think

plus, being a pow is bound to make you crazy, i know it would do that to me

[WileOut]

Come on Ryan, don't you watch 24?

I know and there is no way they would hijack a couple of airplanes and bring down the twin towers. Or bomb the London subways. That stuff only happens in hollywood.

Putting a small nuclear weapon in a box and shipping it into LA harbor is a really tough task for the hundreds of muslim groups in the world that exist solely to kill as many Jews and Christians as they can. These groups that are funded by billionaires and can buy any weapon they want. You are right it is a far stretch of the imagination.

Its such a stretch, the US congress past the safe port act for absolutely nothing at all. Just to have something in the books.

Fuk the UIGEA that was attached to it though.

[ryanXL977]

free societies will always have nut jobs who sneak thru and do bad shit
if you would rather live in a country where nothing happens, then move
but im not going to sacrifice my freedom bc one time some dudes snuck thru and now the sky is falling

if the gop is so good at protecting us, then why are they the only ones who had 3k americans die on their watch due to terro

[smitch124]

I know and there is no way they would hijack a couple of airplanes and bring down the twin towers. Or bomb the London subways. That stuff only happens in hollywood.

Putting a small nuclear weapon in a box and shipping it into LA harbor is a really tough task for the hundreds of muslim groups in the world that exist solely to kill as many Jews and Christians as they can. These groups that are funded by billionaires and can buy any weapon they want. You are right it is a far stretch of the imagination.

Its such a stretch, the US congress past the safe port act for absolutely nothing at all. Just to have something in the books.

Fuk the UIGEA that was attached to it though.

Not saying it couldn't happen, just saying that it is what every episode of 24 is about...

[ryanXL977]

I know and there is no way they would hijack a couple of airplanes and bring down the twin towers. Or bomb the London subways. That stuff only happens in hollywood.

Putting a small nuclear weapon in a box and shipping it into LA harbor is a really tough task for the hundreds of muslim groups in the world that exist solely to kill as many Jews and Christians as they can. These groups that are funded by billionaires and can buy any weapon they want. You are right it is a far stretch of the imagination.

Its such a stretch, the US congress past the safe port act for absolutely nothing at all. Just to have something in the books.

Fuk the UIGEA that was attached to it though.

you watch too much tv dude
travel more
watch less tv

[durito]

You'll keep your passport for 8 years of W but turn it in if McCain wins?


At least McCain is relatively intelligent and was a POW for 5 years.

It's not about McCain, but about the fact that the country could elect a Republican after 8 years of Bush.


I'm not sure what being a POW for 5 years qualifies one for. Sympathy, respect, sure. But, certainly not President.

I love how now that their candidate was in the military it's all about war hero McCain, but when Kerry was running all they did was try and discredit his service.

Nevertheless, it's been 40 years, it's probably time to move on from Vietnam.

[WileOut]

why are you afraid of something that hasnt come close to touching you and never will
and what does iraq have to do with anything
do you understand how much nukes cost and how hard they are to build. tell me about all the countries who have declared war on america. name me a country who has invaded us, ever.

not bombed
invaded

and i know tons of people who werent for the war on terror after 911, people who actually take time to think instead of just reacting like a ****ing dumb ape

First of all I am not afraid of much of anything except losing more freedoms. I never said I was afraid. I just don't want to see people die and I have common sense.

ryan in case you havent noticed, the extremists dont fight in the conventional style. They won't invade our country, they are already here. There are terrorist cells as we speak all over this country.

I never mentioned Iraq. I don't know what you are talking about with that comment. But if you want my thoughts on the subject, I think we should get the hell out of there. We already beat there government. The bathists are a non factor now, most of top government is dead. We won that war. It took all of a few weeks. Its been time to move on for a while now.

ryan congress approved of the war on Iraq and Afghanistan, it wasn't just George Bush. Democrats and Republicans all were for it.

There are probably 100 terrorist groups that could obtain funding for nukes and I watched a show on one of the 3 big TV networks that outlined how easy it would be for them to ship one into LA harbor. The port security guys were only checking 1 in 10 boxes the size required to ship a nuke in at the time. That is why the safe port act was signed. They can still do it, and I think it is a matter of time before they will.

I pray I am wrong and you are right.

[TheLock]

It's not about McCain, but about the fact that the country could elect a Republican after 8 years of Bush.


I'm not sure what being a POW for 5 years qualifies one for. Sympathy, respect, sure. But, certainly not President.

I love how now that their candidate was in the military it's all about war hero McCain, but when Kerry was running all they did was try and discredit his service.

Fair enough. I wasn't implying that McCain should be President because of time served, I was just wondering where you put McCain compared to W.

IMO, McCain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>W in terms of intelligence and ability to lead a nation. I didn't vote for W, but I will vote for McCain because I make 300K a year.

[WileOut]

I am not a republican by the way. Far from it. Far from a democrat too.

I would rather see Obama than McCain in office but I wont vote for either.

[durito]

If you want to live in a country with freedoms, it will always be possible for terrorists to attack it.

There are infinite amount of ways to practice terrorism. 20 guys with suicide bombs could walk into 20 crowded malls in the USA tomorrow and wreak havoc on the entire nation. There is virtually no way to stop that unless you want to live in a police state.

There is no military solution. Driving the taliban out of afganistan was probably necessary -- though letting them regroup as we've done since is certainly retarded.

The better solution is to target the issues that create terrorists in the first place. The US invades the dictatorship in Iraq, but invites the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia over for dinner. You want to know why a ton of young men in Saudi Arabia turn into fundamentalist lunatics? There is nothing else for them. The dictatorship gives it's princes $32 trillion to play with and creates no jobs for the rest of the people. They are then brainwashed in religous schools and become terrorists. They could've been educated and gotten a real job. Osama bin ladens #1 problem against the US was it's support for the Saudi dictatorship.

[ryanXL977]

half the dems did not vote for the war, so its not true
and anyone, either party, who voted for the war should have their throat cut

men like dick cheney are the enemy, he should be publicly hung and if you knew the crimes he has committed for the last 3 decades, or if you would just take a look, you would agree

perhaps if we showed these countries we are interested in their future economy and infrastructure rather than just the oil they have, they wouldnt hate us.

and again, they hate what our government does, whis is to assert dominance over other nations

imagine if iraq invaded us