Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin...Pick 'em

[ryanXL977]

you want to talk about an insane dictatorship, its the saudi kingdom
those fools are nuts
we allow them to subjugate their people bc they have oil
if we get off oil, people fight back, stand up and the bad rulers lose their power

but i guess that wont keep the oil and weapons execs happy

its always about money
nobody gives a shit about fighting terror, you are deluding yourself if you think bush or anyone cares about you or me or any terrorist

[WileOut]

If you want to live in a country with freedoms, it will always be possible for terrorists to attack it.

There are infinite amount of ways to practice terrorism. 20 guys with suicide bombs could walk into 20 crowded malls in the USA tomorrow and wreak havoc on the entire nation. There is virtually no way to stop that unless you want to live in a police state.

There is no military solution. Driving the taliban out of afganistan was probably necessary -- though letting them regroup as we've done since is certainly retarded.

The better solution is to target the issues that create terrorists in the first place. The US invades the dictatorship in Iraq, but invites the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia over for dinner. You want to know why a ton of young men in Saudi Arabia turn into fundamentalist lunatics? There is nothing else for them. The dictatorship gives it's princes $32 trillion to play with and creates no jobs for the rest of the people. They are then brainwashed in religous schools and become terrorists. They could've been educated and gotten a real job. Osama bin ladens #1 problem against the US was it's support for the Saudi dictatorship.

I agree with this post 100%. You are exactly right. ryan can't seem to understand this though.

[pimike]

Dr. James Dopson

Changed his mind and is not for McCain

[ryanXL977]

I agree with this post 100%. You are exactly right. ryan can't seem to understand this though.

this is exactly what i posted dude
what dont i understand? ive travelled a ton, i read a lot, i also have common sense and dont let the radio or government tell me my eyes are lying

[WileOut]

Osama just didn't like the US presence in the muslim nations period. That is what he bases his senseless killings on. The real fact is that he is just a genocidal maniac like Hitler or Saddam.

[ryanXL977]

dude, when you start comparing people to hitler, you lose your audience
go read about hitler dude.

and saddam hussein didnt do anything to anyone that about 25 other leaders in the world do

if you ahve a problem with china and zimbawe, do something about it instead of singling out saddam

go scream freedom for tibet on a streetcorner in bejing and see how fast you go to jail for life

hitler took over half of europe, he had an army, he had alliances

he is nothing like bin laden
bin laden is one random dude who had NO power till this administration gave it to him

thats what happense when you elect thieves to run a nation, they fool you and steal from you

but seriously, go read about hitler before you compare him to hussein and binladen

[WileOut]

Changed his mind and is not for McCain

Who? If me then when did I say I was for McCain?

[smitch124]

Who? If me then when did I say I was for McCain?

He meant Dr. James Dopson

[ryanXL977]

yes dobson is voting mccain
but who cares, dobson is another person bought and paid for in full by the heritage foundation and the rest of them who place candidates in office and run the government by lobbyists

does nobody see what has happened in the last 30 years? jesus christ

reagan is the worst president ever

sorry, second worst
the only reason he wasnt bush is bc there was a congress to block his alzheimers ass from doing the shit the neocons wanted done

they got their chance, it failed, and yet they have filled peoples minds with the same lies that they believe in,. fear of terror, american dominance, etc

i just dont get it

[durito]

what the reagan administration did in south/central america is criminal. not that it was any different than US policy in the region the previous 100 years, because it wasn't.

[WileOut]

ryan I am not going to keep on with you. I have a masters degree and have read more books than you have laid eyes on. I will have my doctoral degree within the next 5 years.

Hitler was exactly like Bin Laden in that they both are genocidal lunatics. Do you disagree with this statement?

[ryanXL977]

i dont know where you got your masters degree but im pretty sure it wasnt in socioeconomics, world policy , or polysci


bin laden and hitler have nothing in common that i knwo
nothing
bin laden has invaded ZERO nations and attempted to take over england, poland, france, and russia ZERO times

[WileOut]

He meant Dr. James Dopson

If you are being sarcastic then show me where I said I was for Mccain. Anybody, show me where I said I was for mccain.

[ryanXL977]

he was talking about dobson, not you

[WileOut]

i dont know where you got your masters degree but im pretty sure it wasnt in socioeconomics, world policy , or polysci


bin laden and hitler have nothing in common that i knwo
nothing
bin laden has invaded ZERO nations and attempted to take over england, poland, france, and russia ZERO times

Thats not what I asked you are avoiding the question and going off on a tangent like you have this entire thread.

Do you disagree that both Hitler and Bin Laden were both genocidal lunatics?

[ryanXL977]

i dont think bin laden is insane at all, i think he wanted the us to invade and he got it
sounds pretty sane to me. he played this country like a fiddle

i dont think he is a lunatic at all. i dont like him but killing him wotn do anything, the message is already out
the genie was out of the bottle the day after 911 when bush decided to take the whole country in a direction that we didnt need to go in

its a shame, we could have used that moment for so much good

[WileOut]

i dont think bin laden is insane at all, i think he wanted the us to invade and he got it
sounds pretty sane to me. he played this country like a fiddle

i dont think he is a lunatic at all. i dont like him but killing him wotn do anything, the message is already out
the genie was out of the bottle the day after 911 when bush decided to take the whole country in a direction that we didnt need to go in

its a shame, we could have used that moment for so much good

Once more, our congress decided to take the country in that direction. I would guess that at least 80 percent of the country was for it at the time as well. It wasn't just GW.

If you think that Osama bin Laden is not a genocidal lunatic then

1. You dont know the definition of genocide

2. You dont know what a lunatic is

3. You have no concept of reality

4. You have lost all your credibility to debate on any subject

[ryanXL977]

who cares what people are for, leaders need to do the right thing
you seem to think that the best leaders are those who do that the polls say, like bush

the best are those who do what the polls dont say, like lincoln and fdr

you should go read some history books, bc you concept of this country is very far from reality
at least read the constitution

[WileOut]

ryan one last question just to find out how a lunatic such as yourself thinks.

After Osama Bin Laden killed those 3 thousand or so innocent people what would you have done after finding out a country was supporting him and giving him refuge?

[ryanXL977]

its pointless to invade a poort country like afghanistan
all you are doing is creating more enemies
it accomplishes nothing
there is no need to call names

seriously, go read the constitution
go find out about leaders who led rather than following

where does bush get his orders from? i am curious

[ryanXL977]

next time you get a memo saying

"bin laden determined to attack inside of us"
and oyu get calls all the time and red lights going off, do something about it BEFORE

maybe it will save a trillion dollars and 5k american lives, plus 25k americans with PTSD. i am underestimating

plus 500k dead iraqis

but thats just me...

[WileOut]

ryan the point of invading was to hold the country accountable for harboring a person who killed 3000 innocent people who never hurt him in any way. Does that not make rational sense to you?

[ryanXL977]

the country should be held accountable eh? so how many people should we kill
how many goat herders and other people that make about 10 bucks a year should we kill to avenge the deatsh of 3000 investment bankers

[WileOut]

The government ryan, the TALIBAN is who we went after. We didn't hold any goat herders accountable for the death of those people ryan.

Last post, this is pointless.

[ryanXL977]

you are right
civilians arent 95% of all bombing deaths
my bad

go read a book
im serious
just read
just travel
see things outside the country dude
there is a world out there with people just like you out there