USA Books Have Very Little Creativity In Luring Players

[jjgold]

Rebatewager has cash back on loses which is good
Intertops from time to time has some good deals
BoDog once in a while

Although I browse around all these books in Europe, Asia and Australia and all they do is have incentives for players to re up

free bets, bonuses all the time, etc

Some books give you money back if your bet loses by a certain amount

Aussie books refund money on some tennis tourneys if your player loses in 1st two rounds

They have great marketing teams

[jjaycuny]

Won't matter when jersey legalizes it

[FourLengthsClear]

The European, Asian and Aussie books have much lower transaction/processing costs which allows them to do the marketing and invest in the software.

Margins for US facing books must be very thin.

[john230]

Probably more competition in those markets explains the difference. U.S. laws makes it more difficult to serve U.S. customers.

[Ninersnut]

They don't need to. They know the US is a huge betting market. People will sign up regardless just to feed the addiction.

[darkhat]

It's because us Americans are morons and throw our money away regardless of incentive.

[Fishhead]

Still a few good bonus books for USA punters............but they are dwindling.

JustBet has great bonuses, just make sure when you are attacking them that .......

1. You are not from Vegas

2. Bet very small for the first two months to stay under their radar


If not, they will quickly close your account or cut your available limits and revoke your bonuses......found this out the hard way this week.




Although not overly high on the safety scale, BetREVOLUTION has some great bonuses and incentives at this time............may be worth the risk vs. reward for some here.

Heritage is super if one can get in there.................top tier in term of bonuses AND incentives.........not many better in this regard.


Stay safe out there folks.

[Reload]

It's been down a notch compared to years ago. Use to be all kinds of direct marketing and perks.

A few still try - and those are the ones still getting most of my reloads.

[reashzhiyiz]

It's because us Americans are morons and throw our money away regardless of incentive.

Don't agree with

[shari91]

They don't need to. They know the US is a huge betting market. People will sign up regardless just to feed the addiction.

It's actually the opposite, and touches on what FLC mentioned. International books are massive organisations dealing with much larger betting markets and don't face the fees associated with processing and jumping through endless hoops to receive/give your money. The bonuses JJ's referring to don't have crazy rollovers, etc... if they tried to implement that, the punter would just go to another major book that doesn't have those restrictions in place.

To put it in some perspective: The NY Times estimated Americans wagered $6 billion offshore in 2010. Australians generated a net profit of $25 billion for Aussie books in 2010. Australia has less than 10 times the population of the US. The difference in money gambled between the two countries is astonishing when you consider their size.

[Ninersnut]

They still don't need to offer bonuses. The bonuses are more a less a trap for most to get them to put x amount of action down in hoping for a tilt/terrible losing streak. The U.S. needs a place to gamble and if it isnt ur local it's most likely offshore.

[Fishhead]

It's actually the opposite, and touches on what FLC mentioned. International books are massive organisations dealing with much larger betting markets and don't face the fees associated with processing and jumping through endless hoops to receive/give your money. The bonuses JJ's referring to don't have crazy rollovers, etc... if they tried to implement that, the punter would just go to another major book that doesn't have those restrictions in place.

To put it in some perspective: The NY Times estimated Americans wagered $6 billion offshore in 2010. Australians generated a net profit of $25 billion for Aussie books in 2010. Australia has less than 10 times the population of the US. The difference in money gambled between the two countries is astonishing when you consider their size.

great stats

[shari91]

They still don't need to offer bonuses. The bonuses are more a less a trap for most to get them to put x amount of action down in hoping for a tilt/terrible losing streak. The U.S. needs a place to gamble and if it isnt ur local it's most likely offshore.

Only a Pinnacle these days can get away with not offering bonuses because they make up for it with their lines and no limits for most. Just look at the number of threads started on the forum by people asking about who's offering what bonus, etc... The US market is shrinking because of all the clampdowns... if an offshore book decided tomorrow to not offer bonuses and didn't replace it with Pinny lines and limits, it wouldn't survive because every other book is still offering them. In order to protect themselves though, they have to offer high rollovers.

[BAUS]

JustBet has great bonuses, just make sure when you are attacking them that .......

1. You are not from Vegas

How do figure this was a factor in them lowering your limits?

BAUS

[Ninersnut]

I understand the hardships of US players in the offshore market but to say the "US market is shrinking". The market is there it's up to books to find a way to get us that product.

Places like Cris and 5Dimes can succeed without bonuses if they wanted to because they find a way to get their customers $. While bonuses might be what everyone else in the world is looking for most Americans just want a place where they can withdraw their funds with the least amount of hoops to jump through.

[wrongturn]

It's actually the opposite, and touches on what FLC mentioned. International books are massive organisations dealing with much larger betting markets and don't face the fees associated with processing and jumping through endless hoops to receive/give your money. The bonuses JJ's referring to don't have crazy rollovers, etc... if they tried to implement that, the punter would just go to another major book that doesn't have those restrictions in place.

To put it in some perspective: The NY Times estimated Americans wagered $6 billion offshore in 2010. Australians generated a net profit of $25 billion for Aussie books in 2010. Australia has less than 10 times the population of the US. The difference in money gambled between the two countries is astonishing when you consider their size.

So if it is legalized in US, the net profit should be at least 250 billions for books, which in turn would generate at least 25 billions revenue for government with low 10% tax rate, and would create plenty of new jobs. When you think about American politics, you just have to .

[gangeriver]

firstly, the biggest market is Asian market. do doubt...

Rebatewager has cash back on loses which is good
Intertops from time to time has some good deals
BoDog once in a while

Although I browse around all these books in Europe, Asia and Australia and all they do is have incentives for players to re up

free bets, bonuses all the time, etc

Some books give you money back if your bet loses by a certain amount

Aussie books refund money on some tennis tourneys if your player loses in 1st two rounds

They have great marketing teams

but what amount bonuses offer euro books?...they says %100 bonus but if you make a 20 euro deposit they give you 20 euro or 80 euro bonus for 80 euro deposit.I have been betting for 10 years and I have never seen an euro book offering 500 for 500. never ever...by the way asian books offer nearly %20-%10 but it doesn't matter already their odds above the industry average already asian books' customers don't care about bonus...they interested in limits and odds.
Actually USA (offshore) books offers huge bonuses. for example %100 up to 500. sometimes up to $1000. if I'm not wrong JustBet has offered $2500 for $2500 last summer.my friends were shocked

[shari91]

I understand the hardships of US players in the offshore market but to say the "US market is shrinking". The market is there it's up to books to find a way to get us that product.

Places like Cris and 5Dimes can succeed without bonuses if they wanted to because they find a way to get their customers $. While bonuses might be what everyone else in the world is looking for most Americans just want a place where they can withdraw their funds with the least amount of hoops to jump through.

But the part I bolded is actually not true. That's why I mentioned the threads on SBR. It's not Euros, Aussies, Asians asking which books offer the best bonuses. It's Americans. And people entering the offshore market for the first time have little to no clue for the most part of the difficulties involved with financial transactions... hence all of those threads on here when a payment is 2 days late. They're choosing their books based on bonuses and/or the first one they happen to stumble across when they do a google search.

[shari91]

So if it is legalized in US, the net profit should be at least 250 billions for books, which in turn would generate at least 25 billions revenue for government with low 10% tax rate, and would create plenty of new jobs. When you think about American politics, you just have to .

That same NY Times article said it would mean $40 billion in tax revenue over 10 years because they'd tax gamblers at the same rate as they're getting charged now. Mind you, it's not like Australia has it all figured out. We're not allowed to live bet online, play online casinos or online poker although I think it's Party Poker that has an office in Sydney

None of it makes sense really.

[Kindred]

Won't matter when jersey legalizes it

yeah cuz they won't tax it to death or anything lol

You think there will be bonuses offered to bet on sports in jersey? I'm right over the boarder, I'd love that but lets be honest. It's nothing more than a money grab by the politicians. Don't expect 100% deposit bonuses

[nick86]

More books should adopt the Pinnacle model. Bonuses aren't worth shit long term.

[vitalyo]

firstly, the biggest market is Asian market. do doubt...



but what amount bonuses offer euro books?...they says %100 bonus but if you make a 20 euro deposit they give you 20 euro or 80 euro bonus for 80 euro deposit.I have been betting for 10 years and I have never seen an euro book offering 500 for 500. never ever...by the way asian books offer nearly %20-%10 but it doesn't matter already their odds above the industry average already asian books' customers don't care about bonus...they interested in limits and odds.
Actually USA (offshore) books offers huge bonuses. for example %100 up to 500. sometimes up to $1000. if I'm not wrong JustBet has offered $2500 for $2500 last summer.my friends were shocked

You are kidding . Right ?
You need to show him rollover requirements as well !!! And explain to him on what are the odds of getting any money BACK (never mind the profit) with 10X15X20X rollover with 60 cents soccer lines 20 cents NBA NFL Dude you need to wager $100.000 before you can cash out , with the shitty odds that they offer, i would be very surprised if there is more then one player per 100 on average made a cash out .
And if you try to bonus whore them with this odds and rollover req . God forbid if you start winning with them instead of euro book , then you will lose your shirt,. You will lose your balance in your euro book and you will never full fill the roll over .

GL.

[Fishhead]

How do figure this was a factor in them lowering your limits?

BAUS

They believe a higher percentage of Vegas punters are NOT RECREATIONAL...........................p robably true, perhaps not.

[wrongturn]

That same NY Times article said it would mean $40 billion in tax revenue over 10 years because they'd tax gamblers at the same rate as they're getting charged now. Mind you, it's not like Australia has it all figured out. We're not allowed to live bet online, play online casinos or online poker although I think it's Party Poker that has an office in Sydney

None of it makes sense really.

Yeah, but still Aussie government makes about 10x more sense than US government.

[durito]

This would be great if it was true.

Most euro bonuses or free bets are in the $25 range.

You can still get hundreds of $ of bonuses from us facing books.

[shari91]

This would be great if it was true.

Most euro bonuses or free bets are in the $25 range.

You can still get hundreds of $ of bonuses from us facing books.

Like I said to someone earlier, I've got an offer in my email from TAB sportsbet with a $100 free play and 40% on my first deposit. No limits or rollovers. I just don't want to deposit there because I don't like their lines compared to Pinny or their options compared to 365 or Betfair. But yes, if you're smart with US bonuses, they're awesome. Problem is most of us aren't/don't care yet many use them as their sole determinant for choosing an offshore book.

[jjgold]

All the big usa markets are surviving because of a very good credit business

Bookmaker would be gone without a credit business as would many others

USA is small potatoes compared to Europe and Australia

Betfair handles more volume in one week than 5 Dimes does all year... CASE CLOSED

[LordVodka]

Won't matter when jersey legalizes it

Is that gonna help those of us who don't live near New Jersey?

[5mike5]

All the big usa markets are surviving because of a very good credit business

Bookmaker would be gone without a credit business as would many others

USA is small potatoes compared to Europe and Australia

Betfair handles more volume in one week than 5 Dimes does all year... CASE CLOSED

[King_Suckerman]

Betfair handles more volume in one week than 5 Dimes does all year... CASE CLOSED

where do you get your info on comparative turnover? I'm not saying you're wrong, just interested.

[jjaycuny]

Is that gonna help those of us who don't live near New Jersey?

Don't know, don't care.

[PharaohUB]

Take a look at what www.bettorbook.eu is offering

Looks like an invite only place...

[CanuckG]

More books should adopt the Pinnacle model. Bonuses aren't worth shit long term.

Not true

[mullthis]

alot of us books have a great bonus if you are looking for a freeplay alot of them don't offer cash bonus

[ApricotSinner32]

More books should adopt the Pinnacle model. Bonuses aren't worth shit long term.