USA Books Have Very Little Creativity In Luring Players

[nick86]

Not true

who's that beautiful chick in your avatar?

[nick86]

id pick reduced juice lines over big bonuses any day.

[5mike5]

id pick reduced juice lines over big bonuses any day.

exactly...definatley the smart choice

[stevex]

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[jjgold]

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JazzBet 30% cash bonus up to 1,000...

NorthBet, deposit 1,000+, get 50% FP...

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I would never put a dime in 3 of those places

[Hareeba!]

Like I said to someone earlier, I've got an offer in my email from TAB sportsbet with a $100 free play and 40% on my first deposit. No limits or rollovers. I just don't want to deposit there because I don't like their lines compared to Pinny or their options compared to 365 or Betfair. But yes, if you're smart with US bonuses, they're awesome. Problem is most of us aren't/don't care yet many use them as their sole determinant for choosing an offshore book.

I quite frequently find better tennis odds at TAB than at Pinnacle and Betfair so always like to maintain funds there (and they'll take much more than Pinnacle's early $250 limits).

And their #1 Club is a nice little bonus earner too.

[shari91]

I quite frequently find better tennis odds at TAB than at Pinnacle and Betfair so always like to maintain funds there (and they'll take much more than Pinnacle's early $250 limits).

And their #1 Club is a nice little bonus earner too.

Someone else actually said this to me awhile back. I need to investigate more now that you've said the same... the times I've looked, the tennis odds have been dismal but that also could've been because they were big matches so to speak. I'm going to hold out a few more days and see if Mr "Adam" will give me more than 40% on my deposit as the email offers keep jumping... either way though, they'll get some of my cash as I need to get involved with as many of these books as possible before I leave.

[k13]

What's the best Aussie book that takes i n s t a d e b i t?

With some bonuses of course.

[Hareeba!]

What's the best Aussie book that takes i n s t a d e b i t?

With some bonuses of course.

Firstly, I don't think anyone in Australia has heard of insta debit

Secondly, I think you'd find that none of the Aussie books will allow US residents to bet on sports (but some will allow them to bet on racing)

Which is the best depends on what you want to bet on but most now are just like the Euro books and whilst they may offer bonuses they will limit you quick smart if you show any talent.

[k13]

Firstly, I don't think anyone in Australia has heard of insta debit

Secondly, I think you'd find that none of the Aussie books will allow US residents to bet on sports (but some will allow them to bet on racing)

Which is the best depends on what you want to bet on but most now are just like the Euro books and whilst they may offer bonuses they will limit you quick smart if you show any talent.

Most of the U.K. books use it, assumed Aussies were similar.

Already have too many accounts as it is so no biggie was just curious.

[Santo]

So if it is legalized in US, the net profit should be at least 250 billions for books, which in turn would generate at least 25 billions revenue for government with low 10% tax rate, and would create plenty of new jobs. When you think about American politics, you just have to .

You can't simply multiply those figures -- Australia doesn't have the religious right and other sections of the community that would not bet on sports even if the opportunity was open to them.

[jjgold]

Big Aussie books use credit/debit cards, neteller, poli, bpay, aussie paypal

small tier aussie books mainly bpay, credit/debti cards

[FourLengthsClear]

where do you get your info on comparative turnover? I'm not saying you're wrong, just interested.

You won't get info on 5Dimes obviously and a direct comparison isn't easy because Betfair is an exchange but in 2010 Betfair:

Generated GBP 264 million in commission.
Average commission level is in the order of 3.8% which would mean that the total amounts risked by players would be.

(264m * 2) * (100/3.8) = GBP 13.9 billion (USD 21.3 billion) #

This is about 3 times more than the entire US facing offshore market.

# The total traded on Betfair would be a multiple of 3 or 4 times that amount.


The biggest traditional book in the world is Ladbrokes which had took bets of just over GBP 3 billion in the first half of 2011 according to their financial reporting. This includes their UK shops and well as online operations. Interestingly the turnover for their casino game terminals in their shops was bigger than this (GBP 4.6 billion).

[ApricotSinner32]

Betfair is where suckers play. The company taxes you to shit if you're a winner.

[FourLengthsClear]

Betfair is where suckers play. The company taxes you to shit if you're a winner.

Premium Charge is a tax on traders. Regular bettors would need to be hitting at the equivalent of 58% consistently to be affected by it at all.

[shari91]

Betfair is where suckers play. The company taxes you to shit if you're a winner.

You would never come close to being a "sucker" who is a "winner" there. And this is coming from someone who thinks you are an awesome handicapper. Just being a normal joe... which you are... you'd do fine.

[Hareeba!]

Betfair is where suckers play. The company taxes you to shit if you're a winner.

yeah, sure

I'm a sucker then

But by my reckoning I pay more in vig. to Pinnacle than I do in commissions to Betfair relative to my winnings.

[ApricotSinner32]

I know someone who does not hit 58% that plays at betfair that gets taxed often. It's a rip off I would never play there even with the chance.

[ApricotSinner32]

I understand the commission in an exchange thats fine. But than to tax winners is just a way of saying "We're in control spread your cheeks"

No thanks

[Hareeba!]

I know someone who does not hit 58% that plays at betfair that gets taxed often. It's a rip off I would never play there even with the chance.

tax?

do you mean premium charge?

do you know what you've got to achieve before you ever get to be subject to the pc in the first place?

[vitalyo]

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[ApricotSinner32]

Tax premium charge whatever the fuk you want to call it. I call it rape.

[FourLengthsClear]

tax?

do you mean premium charge?

do you know what you've got to achieve before you ever get to be subject to the pc in the first place?

Tax premium charge whatever the fuk you want to call it. I call it rape.

So that would be a no then?
You offer an opinion about people being "suckers" for accepting exposure to a tax/charge that you have no clue about?

[ApricotSinner32]

Forth you have a point i'm not very educated on the matter but paying commission and than paying on top a percentage if you win consistently sounds like rape to me.

[FourLengthsClear]

Forth you have a point i'm not very educated on the matter but paying commission and than paying on top a percentage if you win consistently sounds like rape to me.

As this thread should make clear, I despise the Premium Charge.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/1295271-betfair-premium-charges.html

As a trader though, I don't have much in the way of alternatives.

For regular bettors, as mentioned, it should not be an issue unless you are very succesful in which case it becomes prohibitive to the extent that it is no different to be collared/booted at a regular book.

[gangeriver]

You are kidding . Right ?
You need to show him rollover requirements as well !!! And explain to him on what are the odds of getting any money BACK (never mind the profit) with 10X15X20X rollover with 60 cents soccer lines 20 cents NBA NFL Dude you need to wager $100.000 before you can cash out , with the shitty odds that they offer, i would be very surprised if there is more then one player per 100 on average made a cash out .
And if you try to bonus whore them with this odds and rollover req . God forbid if you start winning with them instead of euro book , then you will lose your shirt,. You will lose your balance in your euro book and you will never full fill the roll over .

GL.

you exaggerate...these books don't want 20* rollover. generally they ask 10* for %100 bonuses.that is enough and I think not so hard if you consider long-term. Also who cares their 60 cent soccer lines? if you use an offshore, you should take US sports bets. if you don't, why do you make a deposit to off-shores?

I didn't praise offshores and didn't criticize euro books, just said euro books offer %100 but small bonuses, offshores offer %100 and up to $1000
I already use euro books generally, because my biggest market is euro basket and euro books more professional and safer than offshores

[BigOrange]

Betonline just sent me a 100% Match freeplay up to $500.

I'm not biting though as I'm still skeptical of them from trying to steal money from every winning poker player on the site.