Betfirstclass - steer clear

[jtuck]

I dont know what's so hard to understand about it...

If you sign up with a sports book on EOG, and email me your opening balance, your acct number, and weekly snapshots of your acct balance, EOG will insure you up to 5k if a sports book goes under...

Therefore, all of your warnings are pointless since my 12 year reputation of paying out in this industry is as good as anyone else's that I know of....

In other words, gamblers who use EOG'S sports books are protected for up to 5k per account...

Is that clearer?

THE SHRINK

Lol, I love the part of your guarantee where players must "Notify you of their opening balance and keep weekly screenshots of their account balance." Do you warn players to take these screenshots before they sign up at one of the books you promote that in the past has stolen players funds? Or is this just kept to yourself so you have an excuse not to pay when someone gets stiffed? Just wondering as i could not find anything about it on your website, but it could have been easily missed while trying to navigate through all of those ads for Oddsmaker, Bodog, Bet911, and BetUs.

[vsdspread]

OSU Cowboys has an ownership interest in this book:

Yes -400
No +300

Shrink has ownership interest in this book:

Yes -200
No +170

Raiders will deny this:

Yes -1000
No +800

I know that OSUCOWBOYS does in fact have some type of stake. It is my understanding that he has been booking with them for years.

[raiders72002]

Lol, I love the part of your guarantee where players must "Notify you of their opening balance and keep weekly screenshots of their account balance." Do you warn players to take these screenshots before they sign up at one of the books you promote that in the past has stolen players funds? Or is this just kept to yourself so you have an excuse not to pay when someone gets stiffed? Just wondering as i could not find anything about it on your website, but it could have been easily missed while trying to navigate through all of those ads for Oddsmaker, Bodog, Bet911, and BetUs.

The insurance has been posted over and over and if someone asks then it's always answered.

Too many scamming players not to ask for weekly screen shots.

[raiders72002]

I know that OSUCOWBOYS does in fact have some type of stake. It is my understanding that he has been booking with them for years.

He's been a friend of the guy for 15 years. I would guess that OSU plays into him or lays action off there.

[Squared Box]

He's been a friend of the guy for 15 years. I would guess that OSU plays into him or lays action off there.

And I would guess OSU and Shrink own a good chunk of the place. Explains why all of a sudden he's making sure everyone knows about that guarantee right? Not a sound while USDbet was tanking...

[Bill Dozer]

Preface
It is very common in Costa Rica for more than one book to operate inside the same building but in separate offices.

In this environment, the different businesses share an infrastructure of Internet, Electricity, Generators, VOIP etc.

An example might be a medical building whose tenants are Doctors with private practices.

Another common practice is for the landlord of the building is to provide a ‘Turn Key’ solution for the tenants.

In these scenarios, it is common that one or more of the businesses may fail. The failure of one business does not affect the prosperity of the other businesses in the building.

With all due respect to SBR, there is also the scenario outlined above wherein any number of companies are actually under one ownership.

When one of the companies fails or earns a bad reputation, the owner simply moves his customers to any one of the other companies.

The Internet makes this practice even easier because all the failed company needs to do is set up a different web site and poof you have a new business.

Much credit is given to SBR for their efforts over the years to search out and identify scam and/or financially insecure books.

For those that don’t know, SBR actually has an office in Escazu, Costa Rica and are able to make personal visits to the physical locations of the companies.

We had made plans to visit the offices of BetFirstClass today, Wednesday. But after reading the article by SBR (below) we made our visit yesterday afternoon.

SBR Article
BetFirstClass Warning
The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform. They share the same IP address. Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service. The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F). The new sportsbook, which has started an advertising campaign with at least one forum website, has copied the about us page and terms of service from SBG Global (SBR rating D-). SBG customer service states they are unrelated to BFC. BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F). SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.

I will try to break down the SBR article piece by piece in an effort to demonstrate our findings.

The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform.
Not sure what they are referring to here so no comment. Maybe SBR can elaborate.

They share the same IP address.

We have been able to verify that NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets and BetFirstClass all share the same IP address.

So of course, BFC must be tied in with these scam artists right? WRONG….

The fact is, that the IP address in question is 208.69.59.125. Type this IP into your browser and you will see the following on your screen.

NO SITE PLEASE CHECK URL AND TRY AGAIN

So Who Is 208.69.59.125? The answer is simple: It is the IP address of a hosting company in Canada. Their URL is http://www.cirrushosting.com/toronto...ng-canada.html
This Company provides hosting solutions in Canada much the same way www.GoDaddy.com does in the United States.

We also found that the DNS or Domain Servers for the websites of NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets are all the same.
Name Server NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server NS9.ZONEEDIT.COM

Guess What? The DNS or Domain Servers for BetFirstClass are totally different.
Name Server NS1.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM
Name Server NS2.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM

Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service.
NONE of the Nine sites referred to are BetFirstClass.

The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F).
We found this to be correct.
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET
Registrant Contact
Name Erick De La Rosa
Address Avenida Fidel Castro 34 #2
Ciudad de la Costa, Cuba 00998
UY
Email Address idonotgamble@hotmail.com
Phone Number (511)565-4552622

WHAT DOES THIS have to with BetFirstClass?
Their registration information it totally different.

Registrar DOMAINDISCOVER
Registrant Contact
betfirstclass.com
c/o Whois Privacy Service
BOX 501610
San Diego, CA
US

BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F).
Said software is also used by some very successful books as well. Is SBR suggesting that BetFirstClass is BetCascade?
In fact, BFC is Not Cascade.

SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.Looks to me like SBR has already initiated rating coverage prior to contacting BetFirstClass management.
Of Note, Mr. M of BetFirstClass has contacted SBR and requested that SBR make a personal visit to the BFC office.
My understanding is that SBR refused to visit and is refusing to correct the article they wrote.

Yesterday when we drove to the BFC office building, we passed the office of SBR on the way. Interesting concept.

In closing

It is our opinion that the article written by SBR lacks correct information concerning BetFirstClass.

Was this intentional or just a lack of reliable research?

I will post Part two when completed later today.

It will cover our meeting with BFC and what we learned.

It's in a lot of folk's best interest to make this appear complicated and we could spend all day untangling the spaghetti being served up but it's really simple. Poster Linesmover should know very well how this works.

You don't get the same IP address from your domain registrar. There are 11 sites currently sharing the same DNS.

The domain name server doesn't matter anyway. They can be hosted anywhere if the login goes into the same wagering platform/database. It's the same as a forum putting a login box on any site it wants. The login/signup information is sent to the same place. It's a good clue for association but doesn't matter where the info starts.

As of a couple days ago, Dunhill and Atlantisbets victims could see their balances in BetfirstClass. This doesn't happen when you share phones or office space. It happens because all the books are licensees and share the same database on the server. The db server has the same IP. It's the same if you bet into a sportsbook.com sister book. All bets might go to wagering.worldgaming.com, not to the Sportsbook.com homepage. If the book actually owned a copy of the software other sites wouldn't be able to piggy-back. The server admin needs to install filters, individual databases or use different servers.

We spoke to the owner of the operation the day following the report and it turns out we have in the past when he was working for SportsCallCenter, a similar service that hosted sites such as 4Sportspicks, BetWGN (former owner of Changeabet) Dreamwager, and Palacebets (first and last one possibly after he was there).

He was forthcoming about what happened in the past and how he regretted setting up the other sites. He stated that he would be changing how things are done going forward.

The turnkey customer (BFS) could be anyone. As with all turnkeys it's impossible to know who the "investors," and "partners" are so we look at what we know which is that its a sportsbook on a network with a poor record, with an owner who doesn't understand his setup or website. Maybe he is or isn't a top old school bookie who is getting a crash course in post-up.

SBR has always said the same thing about these situations. These operators shouldn't get a free pass for doing everything but washing the car of anonymous stiffs. Stiffs already recycle their websites as it is.

All the new skinned site guys say the same thing...we never stiffed and we never slow-pay, until a USDbet BetCSL ewinner or the entire Futurebet network goes does down except for Oddsmaker. Recently we saw BetSportsInc serviced by Cascade leave because they didn't want to be associated with them.

On the flip side, if CRIS lets another bookmaker park their car in their lot they make sure they never stiff a player.

[vsdspread]

Dozier Coming Strong!

[topcat]

dozier has class,and is a honest man.its very rare in this line of work.

[FIRST CLASS]

Betfirstclass - steer clear

Want to keep this very brief and quickly thank Mr. Bill Dozier for agreeing to tryto take time out of his Busy Schedule next week to come visit our offices and hopefully

A) see we do have an Independant office

B) we are NOT affiliated with any of the "Crooks" that have
been mentioned . . . . .

Bill was nice & came "across" street where ALL accounts with us are Guar. for up to 5-K & few posters ripped him, so I am assuming the same will happen here to us @ BETFIRSTCLASS except by 20-fold.

Anyway, we are here and do NOT plan on fleeing the country anytime soon contrary to popular belief.

Lastly, let me re-assure everyone NOT 1 single "poster" in here Or across street is a paid BETFIRSTCLASS poster I can assure you.

[SSLP]

You guys paid me in the past , can I come over with Bill for the inspection I will play the detective roll .

I promise interesting pictures not the same old boring ones.

[FIRST CLASS]

SSLP

#1 saw your comments

#2 Thanks so so so so much

However, just like across street (EOG) any poster that even thinks about telling the "Truth" about us or god-forbid something positive is quickly deemed a paid sponsor . . . so, altho we appreciate your comments it defeats the purpose because 99% these posters automatically assume you are being paid.

We have US based "agent" flying in tommorrow & he is already being accused of being 50% partner in our operation. Which is WHY we have always stayed out of these places until EOG asked us to answer few questions. Which we have done

Thanks again & happy u like our service (Except for the fact we had to pay you) LOL

[SSLP]

lol YOU KNOW.. someone here thought I was OSU you guys and Bill Dozer and Sharky and other posters here know I have my own sheet of players and I dont need to shill for anyone.

Thats the truth.

I have heard OSU s wife is hot can I come by and meet her?

hahahaha

[MonkeyF0cker]

Want to keep this very brief and quickly thank Mr. Bill Dozier for agreeing to tryto take time out of his Busy Schedule next week to come visit our offices and hopefully

A) see we do have an Independant office

B) we are NOT affiliated with any of the "Crooks" that have
been mentioned . . . . .

Bill was nice & came "across" street where ALL accounts with us are Guar. for up to 5-K & few posters ripped him, so I am assuming the same will happen here to us @ BETFIRSTCLASS except by 20-fold.

Anyway, we are here and do NOT plan on fleeing the country anytime soon contrary to popular belief.

Lastly, let me re-assure everyone NOT 1 single "poster" in here Or across street is a paid BETFIRSTCLASS poster I can assure you.

Nah. It will take at least a couple of months before that happens. Why would you come over here to promote a guarantee made by another forum and one which has notoriously advertised for marginal books that have failed in the past? Any book that needs someone to offer guarantees for them to garner players can't help but look questionable, especially from a site with such a poor track record...

[5 star bomb]

this book looking very desperate but i trust The Shrink... we'll see what happens

[FIRST CLASS]

MONKEY

We are hear to "Listen" & not afraid to take advice. Could you possibly elaborate on just why & how EOG has such a bad Track-record as the seem to have some "decent" accts that aren't afraid to gamble. The 5-K Guar isn't something We need it's something that makes the client sending us funds feel much more at ease knowing if we do as you suggest & FLEE in I think you said 2-months that he or she will still get Paid. Hope that makes sense, but again we are not afraid to take/accept criticism and suggestions as well. Thanks in advance & best of luck to you this season. I'm just ready go watch some Football brother .......

[Mudcat]

I have seen so many of these. I can't decide who this reminds me of more. Those rosy introductory threads from OklahomaSportsbetting or Bet4Aces or maybe RichCoastSports.

They all folded of course and people lost their money and suddenly those reps were nowhere to be found. But I'm sure this time will be different.

I dunno. Can't blame you for trying I guess. If history is any indication, you will find some fish.

[SBR_John]

Good luck BetFC.

I think our forums are different. The EOG will say SBG, Oddsmaker, USDBet and even your book are great books if you pay them to. For them to offer to say you're great simply means you paid them.

Nearly all new books fail. I can't think of even one new book started in the last 5 years that made it. Recently its a 100%. That's the reason fellow players are sounding the warning signs. Of course you haven't stiffed anyone in the month you've been open. This game of musical chairs plays until the book runs out of cash. Then everyone gets stiffed and the book dissapears. This happens every year just the names change.

So nothing personal, its just the reality of this industry. If you are still around in a couple of seasons then guys can take you seriously.

[sofun]

Thanks John,
I am 100% agree with you, let's prove it broo, you are too young to talk at this moment, please wait for the next couple of season then reise your voice,
how the hell we know that you have enough cash flow to hand next month.
if you want to come here and trying to catch some fish, then please be cool otherwise the posters in here will slap you very bad.

[Doug]

Nearly all new books fail. I can't think of even one new book started in the last 5 years that made it.


Maybe Beted ?

[AnotherLoan]

I'm so sick of watching this guy beg for respect on SBR and EOG.

GET OFF THE BOARDS AND STOP BEGGING FOR RESPECT.

[FIRST CLASS]

Agree 100% most fail, but does that give anyone the reason to post negative things about us. Simply do NOT post with us & go to one of the larger stores that has been around for awhile Like a CRIS, GREEK, PINNY, 5-D, etc etc etc.

We are just here trying to set the record straight that we have no affiliation with the 11-12 "CROOKS" mentioned it previous threads & Posts ..........

[FIRST CLASS]

ANOTHER LOAN

we are NOT asking & certainly not begging for respect , we are simply asking for people & clients like OSU etc etc to report the truth. Hell, OSU himself ripped us but at least he was honest that in 15-yrs doing business with us we have always paid him Including Little over $44,000 CASH very very recently.

So, we are simply wanting the negative & false accusations to go--away

Period

[AnotherLoan]

Get Off The Boards! Crooks!

[sofun]

pay 44K for poster, dams, you must be very generous guys

[b.hess1]

I'll say I got paid out by you guys for $44,000

[kosar]

Agree 100% most fail, but does that give anyone the reason to post negative things about us.

Stop whining.

People have lost so much money from these new books that are heralded by certain sites/people/mods.

It's not 'negative things', it's simply educated opinions from people that have seen this happen time after time. Nobody is calling you a scammer, but only the naive few think you have a clue about how being a post-up in CR compares to being a credit shop in the states.

So many have gone this route, looking for the free easy money, last a year and disappear when they are getting their ass kicked.

If your buddy OSU didn't at least tip you off that this is the reception that you would get, then that's on both of you.

I think you overestimated OSU's influence. Nobody gives a f*ck what he, Kenneth, or anybody else says.

We've seen this movie too many times.

[Bill Dozer]

BFC,

It sounds like you are in a real tough position but there is no way around the partnership with Max. Max initially described his bussines as one where he naively serviced scams like Atlantis and BetWGN. But the BetBones/scamdicapper stuff was as bad as it gets. Even the 4 or 5 employees were stiffed. There is really no limit to what someone in his position can do to you and your players.

[Doug]

Lol, I love the part of your guarantee where players must "Notify you of their opening balance and keep weekly screenshots of their account balance." Do you warn players to take these screenshots before they sign up at one of the books you promote that in the past has stolen players funds? Or is this just kept to yourself so you have an excuse not to pay when someone gets stiffed? Just wondering as i could not find anything about it on your website, but it could have been easily missed while trying to navigate through all of those ads for Oddsmaker, Bodog, Bet911, and BetUs.

These guarantee clauses insure that nearly no one will comply with the weekly requirement.

Similar to BOS and another forum's guarantee...

[raiders72002]

These guarantee clauses insure that nearly no one will comply with the weekly requirement.

Similar to BOS and another forum's guarantee...

I don't find the request unreasonable if you want the insurance. You know as well as I do that for every book that scams there are 100 players that are scammers.

It's very easy to seed accounts when a book goes under. CRIS bailed out RCS. It was exposed that there were many seeded accounts that turned up right before the bailout.

That's why a beginning balance and weekly screen shots are needed.

[BigDaddy]

raiders what good does 5k insurance do when it only covers the initial deposit? you run up a 500 deposit into 1000's and then get stiffed why not take that money to an A+ book like greek,wsex?

that insurance is a joke if you ask me it makes no sense to try a new shit book out just to get stiffed down the road and they will stiff. name a book that has made it in the last few years thats been new? i've been posting for almost 3 years and not 1 new book that i have noticed has made it

check out RX,EOG,TOW for evidence

lazerwager
usdbet
betonstars
nojuice
bet4aces
richcoastsports

etc........


why do you keep defending this book?

[bigboydan]

That's why a beginning balance and weekly screen shots are needed.

We all know that is basically asking for the impossible by all parties involved Raiders.

[durito]

It's not remotely difficult to send someone weekly screenshots, but you have to know beforehand that you are playing with a risky book and about the insurance offer.

Thus, the few people that take up such an offer are likely to know what they are doing to the point where they can handle the risk of playing at a book like this. These people will likely collect the bonus, win some money, cash out and be gone by november. The random noob that passes by the forum and click on the american airlines plane and signs up and doesn't know of the insurance offer will be the one left holding the bag when they run out of money after football ends. Then they will probably find their way here.

[WileOut]

One of the shrinks touted "guaranteed" books failed and he picked one random person to pay and stiffed all the rest of the people that complied to the rules. There was a thread about it the other day. Shrink said "I'm sorry". LOL.

Plus isn't that the shrinks face on the oddsmaker booklettes coming out for football season guaranteeing the book to be legit? Unreal. What a stand up guy.

I go over there every now and then but it took me all of a couple days to realize that EOG is light years behind the honesty and integrity of SBR. Look at some of EOG's advertisers. Are you kidding me?

[Frank]

Shrink

How many people got paid from USDBET?

Many won contests on your site and were never paid.

Many posted up with them because you and everyone that works for you were licking their nutsac just like this book.

General tried to help but couldn't.

A recommendation by you or your employees doesn't hold much weight anymore.

[Chi-Town]

My local switched us over from Betallsportshere to BetfirstClass 10 days or so ago.
It was a small amount but was paid 560.00. I don't know if that helps. I'm no schill but book seems decent. I know my local has taken a lot of customers there and has taken a decent amount of new customers. He is pretty stable so i'm thinking if he believes in the book so I guess I do to then because I have been with him for close to 3 years. For what it's worth.