"if you are winning on your own and just getting lucky"
lmfao
how about a guy is just good and can win, how about that
lmfao
how about a guy is just good and can win, how about that
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No, He's not the front man, the front man is the person who represents the business publicly, which in this case is a poster called BetFirstClass.Originally posted by topcati posted that it took a fool to send these guys money.thanks for posting this stuff.wold you thnk the shrink is the front man?not accusing him,just saying.
He would be considered the front man of EOG.Comment -
Kind of reminds me of the old "Rookie Project" at TOW.
For those that don't know, once upon a time there was a forum called The Online Wire which was somewhat relevant. In a move that can only be described as a cash grab, they started shilling to their loyal members for a handful of start-up "rookie" books. Predictably, most of those books died and players got screwed.
Now TOW is a ghost town where employees copy-and-paste news reports and 3 people post back and forth while tumbleweeds blow by.
I could see that eog was getting increasingly desperate but I didn't realize it had gotten this bad.Comment -
Actually though, those books in the rookie project seemed more convincing than this one.Comment -
Guys,
EOG's affiliation is simply to promote them...
You have every right to be concerned about a start-up sports book...
But, how many other owners will back up their sponsors for up to 5k?
Glad to hear your party was a success...
It's about time you cheapskates (tee hee)...
Best of Luck,
THE SHRINKComment -
Originally posted by THE SHRINKYou have every right to be concerned about a start-up sports book...
But, how many other owners will back up their sponsors for up to 5k?
This isn't a novel idea. Better question is how many times has the "gambler's insurance" scam actually been paid to a poster that got stiffed? Seems like it would be more ethical to get better sponsor books.Comment -
You'd have better luck talking to the doorknob going into the men's room, Mr. D. (tee hee)Comment -
your absolutely right...Originally posted by Mr. D
Guess who started the blasts/bashes/parties?
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but I backed my books like Shrink is backing his. No one got stiffed.Originally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
No doubt that you are a pioneer and that we borrowed a page out of your playbook on the Bash, Mr. Shrink. I do hope that your Bash this year was as succesful as ours. Now if you'll answer my question concerning the actual payment of your "backing"?Comment -
Originally posted by THE SHRINK
i would say if someone did everything correctly Ken would 100% stand by his backing , you would get paid. having said that , there are many more better options this FB season.Comment -
Kenny does not have a good track record backing books, it is actually the lowest in the industry. He is on a losing streak picking good books.Comment -
Never mind, trying to stay positive these days.....
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I dont know what's so hard to understand about it...Originally posted by Mr. D
If you sign up with a sports book on EOG, and email me your opening balance, your acct number, and weekly snapshots of your acct balance, EOG will insure you up to 5k if a sports book goes under...
Therefore, all of your warnings are pointless since my 12 year reputation of paying out in this industry is as good as anyone else's that I know of....
In other words, gamblers who use EOG'S sports books are protected for up to 5k per account...
Is that clearer?
THE SHRINKComment -
SBR is too sharp to beat in the industry. Too many things happening for the better right now.Comment -
Thanks for the in-depth explanation of how the "gambler's insurance" scam works, Mr. Shrink. However my question was not hypothetical but historical in nature (and it remains unanswered): How many times has the "gambler's insurance" scam been paid to a poster that got stiffed? More specifically, have you ever paid it? Looking through the list of sponsors on your site over the last three years i'm certain that some of your posters must have been covered by your insurance....Comment -
Shrink sold the RX for close to $2m. I'd guess his settle figure is $50k. He's not going to lose his pride and reputation by not paying a debt.Originally posted by Mr. DComment -
We will rate them under the assumption that the book is open to the public. Your forum is not the only way they can sign up and your banner is not the only link to the site. It's no different than the warnings for the Cascade and Oddsmaker sister books.Originally posted by THE SHRINKI dont know what's so hard to understand about it...
If you sign up with a sports book on EOG, and email me your opening balance, your acct number, and weekly snapshots of your acct balance, EOG will insure you up to 5k if a sports book goes under...
Therefore, all of your warnings are pointless since my 12 year reputation of paying out in this industry is as good as anyone else's that I know of....
THE SHRINK
Can guys get 5 dimes from you if they send you their balance from Bet911? How about USDbet?Comment -
Bill,
Any poster who emails me at shrink@EOG.com with their opening balance and weekly snapshots does indeed get paid out from ANY sports books advertising on EOG if trouble that you alluded to occurs..
Can a poster automatically get the same treatment here?
Thanks,
THE SHRINKComment -
Opening balance?
No sir, no need to turn an insurance program on and off to help fly-by turnkeys get players. I know they get wide-eyed this time of year and pay big but it never works out for players. People still remember Robertos Rookie project and that ins. program.
I hope EOG will keep their experiments on EOG.Comment -
I should have read this thread first.
lets await what these guys come up with within the next week or so and see if all changes DO happen.
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WTF?
My email address was not edited out by me.
Now there is censorship on SBR?
If this site really cares about the players, then why would you edit out the post where EOG offers 5k insurance to gamblers who sign up with sports books?
Geezes Louise,
THE SHRINKComment -
valid point, but your guys have started censoring more shit than any forum. If a thread has any dirt on any Jman, its immediately sent to the asylum (which gets no views since mods dont post there, afterall mods are all EOG's views)Originally posted by THE SHRINKWTF?
My email address was not edited out by me.
Now there is censorship on SBR?
If this site really cares about the players, then why would you edit out the post where EOG offers 5k insurance to gamblers who sign up with sports books?
Geezes Louise,
THE SHRINKComment -
Calmete, señor. Certainly nothing to get your old heart in an uproar over. We normally edit out all personal contact info posted by registered users here at SBR. Guess you haven't noticed that. It's back now. If you think you're being mistreated here in the future or feel you should play by different rules, shoot me a PM and I'll try to get it straightened outOriginally posted by THE SHRINK
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You talk a big game Shrinkster, but an EOG sponsored book USDBET went down and a couple of posters for months were asking for help getting their money out, and even asked if their was any EOG backing, and you and your mods ignored them.Originally posted by THE SHRINKBill,
Any poster who emails me at shrink@EOG.com with their opening balance and weekly snapshots does indeed get paid out from ANY sports books advertising on EOG if trouble that you alluded to occurs..
Can a poster automatically get the same treatment here?
Thanks,
THE SHRINK
So much for your wordComment -
Heres the point. If Shrink or other sites were not promoting shit books, there would be no need for an insurance policy. If you had the proper books being sponsores like BetJam, Pinny, Greek, 5dimes ect ect. No need for it. But then you start adding in the scam books and now its a must offer to keep any solid reputation. The whole policy is a bad situation and I think most of the guys that have been around know this.Originally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
(a slight tangent on the subject of the colorful, adventurous books that eog proudly endorses. Bet Atlas is still wildly inept at processing payouts. This has been going on for months. Many players report ~2 months to receive funds. I know Shrink is aware of this and I'm sure he has informed his members. The update is: the situation is ongoing and I think one player has passed the 3 month waiting mark now.)
But fortunately eog offers such fine alternatives as BetUS, Bodog, Bet911 and now, returning to the topic at hand in nifty fashion, BetFirstClass!Comment -
Cascade and Bodog were both sponsors of this forum less than 2 years ago.
I'm going to take up the kind backing offer from the shrink and try out some new books.Comment -
Fixed it for ya.Originally posted by durito
To each his own.Originally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
and you've played at all of them so what's your point.Originally posted by MudcatComment -
LinesmoversPreface
It is very common in Costa Rica for more than one book to operate inside the same building but in separate offices.
In this environment, the different businesses share an infrastructure of Internet, Electricity, Generators, VOIP etc.
An example might be a medical building whose tenants are Doctors with private practices.
Another common practice is for the landlord of the building is to provide a ‘Turn Key’ solution for the tenants.
In these scenarios, it is common that one or more of the businesses may fail. The failure of one business does not affect the prosperity of the other businesses in the building.
With all due respect to SBR, there is also the scenario outlined above wherein any number of companies are actually under one ownership.
When one of the companies fails or earns a bad reputation, the owner simply moves his customers to any one of the other companies.
The Internet makes this practice even easier because all the failed company needs to do is set up a different web site and poof you have a new business.
Much credit is given to SBR for their efforts over the years to search out and identify scam and/or financially insecure books.
For those that don’t know, SBR actually has an office in Escazu, Costa Rica and are able to make personal visits to the physical locations of the companies.
We had made plans to visit the offices of BetFirstClass today, Wednesday. But after reading the article by SBR (below) we made our visit yesterday afternoon.
SBR Article
BetFirstClass Warning
The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform. They share the same IP address. Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service. The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F). The new sportsbook, which has started an advertising campaign with at least one forum website, has copied the about us page and terms of service from SBG Global (SBR rating D-). SBG customer service states they are unrelated to BFC. BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F). SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.
I will try to break down the SBR article piece by piece in an effort to demonstrate our findings.
The unrated sportsbook is one of 11 betting websites on its platform.
Not sure what they are referring to here so no comment. Maybe SBR can elaborate.
They share the same IP address.
We have been able to verify that NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets and BetFirstClass all share the same IP address.
So of course, BFC must be tied in with these scam artists right? WRONG….
The fact is, that the IP address in question is 208.69.59.125. Type this IP into your browser and you will see the following on your screen.
NO SITE PLEASE CHECK URL AND TRY AGAIN
So Who Is 208.69.59.125? The answer is simple: It is the IP address of a hosting company in Canada. Their URL is http://www.cirrushosting.com/toronto...ng-canada.html
This Company provides hosting solutions in Canada much the same way www.GoDaddy.com does in the United States.
We also found that the DNS or Domain Servers for the websites of NetBet777, BetDragon, AtlantisBets are all the same.
Name Server NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server NS9.ZONEEDIT.COM
Guess What? The DNS or Domain Servers for BetFirstClass are totally different.
Name Server NS1.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM
Name Server NS2.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM
Nine of those sites are registered under a proxy service.
NONE of the Nine sites referred to are BetFirstClass.
The other two, NetBet777.com and BetDragon.net have the same whois registration as one of the biggest bookmaker thieves in 2008, Atlantisbets (SBR rating F).
We found this to be correct.
Registrar: THE NAME IT CORPORATION DBA NAMESERVICES.NET
Registrant Contact
Name Erick De La Rosa
Address Avenida Fidel Castro 34 #2
Ciudad de la Costa, Cuba 00998
UY
Email Address idonotgamble@hotmail.com
Phone Number (511)565-4552622
WHAT DOES THIS have to with BetFirstClass?
Their registration information it totally different.
Registrar DOMAINDISCOVER
Registrant Contact
betfirstclass.com
c/o Whois Privacy Service
BOX 501610
San Diego, CA
US
BFC uses an unknown brand of software, also used by BetCascade (SBR rating F).
Said software is also used by some very successful books as well. Is SBR suggesting that BetFirstClass is BetCascade?
In fact, BFC is Not Cascade.
SBR will ask FirstClass management to comment before initiating rating coverage.Looks to me like SBR has already initiated rating coverage prior to contacting BetFirstClass management.
Of Note, Mr. M of BetFirstClass has contacted SBR and requested that SBR make a personal visit to the BFC office.
My understanding is that SBR refused to visit and is refusing to correct the article they wrote.
Yesterday when we drove to the BFC office building, we passed the office of SBR on the way. Interesting concept.
In closing
It is our opinion that the article written by SBR lacks correct information concerning BetFirstClass.
Was this intentional or just a lack of reliable research?
I will post Part two when completed later today.
It will cover our meeting with BFC and what we learned.Comment -
I'm not going to post the link but SBR has been invited over to respond to these allegations if wanted. If you do want link let me know and I'll do it.
Shrink said since he's allowed to post here you guys are more then welcome to get your side out there.
Well since SBR tolerates me posting there occasionally, perhaps someone from SBR is more qualified to answer this question than me...
THE SHRINKComment -
Why would I send someone whose getting a % of my losses my account number my weekly betting info etc etc... I mean, if there on the referral program shouldn't they have access to that already if there was a dispute as they referred them?
Fact of the matter, is don't play at crap books and you won't have problems.Comment -
OSU Cowboys has an ownership interest in this book:
Yes -400
No +300
Shrink has ownership interest in this book:
Yes -200
No +170
Raiders will deny this:
Yes -1000
No +800Comment -
If you are that good that you don't need bonuses and more lines then more power to you. GL this year in football.Originally posted by purecarnagge
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