SBRJohn, please explain this play by RickeySteve in the poker room

**daneblazer** · 01-08-12, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

He kills me too or did when I played conservative. I've done much better against him recently. You just have to meet his aggression head on. He is raising pre flop aggressively with anything worth playing like a J9 unsuited.

...because there is nothing more aggressive than calling.

There's more than meets the eye here. Whats lost in all of this shoving PF is a pretty poor play in itself. I mean, if you're going to start doing that and actually get called by something doesn't dominate you, don't get mad at him for doing it.

**TheCentaur** · 01-08-12, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

He kills me too or did when I played conservative. I've done much better against him recently. You just have to meet his aggression head on. He is raising pre flop aggressively with anything worth playing like a J9 unsuited.

He wasn't being aggressive, he called his whole stack getting little more than 1 to 1 with A8. No one can make these types of plays and be playing poker as long as he has without some extra info.

**Bcatswin** · 01-08-12, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by iifold

Whats going on here????

Black Sunday for SBRPoker????

Sure seems like it

**Reload** · 01-08-12, 11:26 PM

Have seen quite a few guys in NL games at a variety of sites bet big with suited cards hoping for flush draws or that their opponent folds. Seems to work if they have lots of cash to work with and can ride out the swings.

**TheCentaur** · 01-08-12, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

...because there is nothing more aggressive than calling.

There's more than meets the eye here. Whats lost in all of this shoving PF is a pretty poor play in itself. I mean, if you're going to start doing that and actually get called by something doesn't dominate you, don't get mad at him for doing it.

Dane even if he thinks I could do that with 22 he is not getting the odds to chance it. I don't care how heavy a hitter you are, a winning gambler can not bring himself to make such a call. The reason I shoved is it was an overbet so he could put me on AK if he had 1010 or something. Ur stuck in lower level poker thinking an overbet shove doesn't have more value sometimes than a reraise and postflop play. I am not mad at being ahead, I am mad that the call indicates a possibility of an unfair advantage.

**TheCentaur** · 01-08-12, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Reload

Have seen quite a few guys in NL games at a variety of sites bet big with suited cards hoping for flush draws or that their opponent folds. Seems to work if they have lots of cash to work with and can ride out the swings.

He didn't bet, he called 950 or so with about 1000 in the pot

**mrmarket** · 01-08-12, 11:31 PM

this is a bad beat disguised as software is rigged post. you got it in good and lost. if you think he plays bad play him more. but jumping to the conclusion that he is rigging software in his favor over 1 hand is asinine.

**TheCentaur** · 01-08-12, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by mrmarket

this is a bad beat disguised as software is rigged post. you got it in good and lost. if you think he plays bad play him more. but jumping to the conclusion that he is rigging software in his favor over 1 hand is asinine.

Read the thread, I said it's more than one hand. It's obvious you have some mancrush on this guy so maybe just pm him so I can keep my thread hetero

**ApricotSinner32** · 01-08-12, 11:37 PM

SBR lou before nominating that post prove that the sbr casino software is 100% true odds/fair play. Thanks

**mrmarket** · 01-08-12, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by TheCentaur

Read the thread, I said it's more than one hand. It's obvious you have some mancrush on this guy so maybe just pm him so I can keep my thread hetero

Yes obviously I have a crush on him and not a problem with your retarded logic. deflection succeeds!

**TheCentaur** · 01-08-12, 11:46 PM

You think suspecting foul play from a winning player who has had issues with and been banned from books calling an all in for his whole stack of close to 1000 w A 8 getting about 1 to 1 pot odds is retarded logic? Because there have never been cheats, colluders, hackers, etc in online poker rooms have there? Jackass

**daneblazer** · 01-08-12, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by TheCentaur

Dane even if he thinks I could do that with 22 he is not getting the odds to chance it. I don't care how heavy a hitter you are, a winning gambler can not bring himself to make such a call. The reason I shoved is it was an overbet so he could put me on AK if he had 1010 or something. Ur stuck in lower level poker thinking an overbet shove doesn't have more value sometimes than a reraise and postflop play. I am not mad at being ahead, I am mad that the call indicates a possibility of an unfair advantage.

You do have a valid point in that there can be some value in jamming there if you know your opponent wont fold any of their raise range.For him to start calling with less you have to balance your strong PF jams with 3 bet bluff jams. You don't want to try to jam balance there as a bluff due to the fact that its going to be highly unprofitable. The first time you 3bet jam there it gets called by like AA so you need to be fairly certain, and if that's the case his call certainly would not indicate that he's a cheat, just not very good.

I cant think of any situation where id want to overbet ship that much especially with kk, at least do it with aa. kk has so much less equity vs calling range but either way its just burning money. Just light your value on fire and let it burn away. You'll see guys do this live a lot. There will be like 8 chips in the pot and jam it for 280 with JJ-AA then bitch when no one calls. In turn they start screaming when they are finally called by a hand that dominates them.

You can't have both world here. You got it in good and lost. Give up the rigtard theory.

**TheCentaur** · 01-09-12, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by daneblazer

You do have a valid point in that there can be some value in jamming there if you know your opponent wont fold any of their raise range.For him to start calling with less you have to balance your strong PF jams with 3 bet bluff jams. You don't want to try to jam balance there as a bluff due to the fact that its going to be highly unprofitable. The first time you 3bet jam there it gets called by like AA so you need to be fairly certain, and if that's the case his call certainly would not indicate that he's a cheat, just not very good.

I cant think of any situation where id want to overbet ship that much especially with kk, at least do it with aa. kk has so much less equity vs calling range but either way its just burning money. Just light your value on fire and let it burn away. You'll see guys do this live a lot. There will be like 8 chips in the pot and jam it for 280 with JJ-AA then bitch when no one calls. In turn they start screaming when they are finally called by a hand that dominates them.

You can't have both world here. You got it in good and lost. Give up the rigtard theory.

Well stated. I respectfully disagree though

This is not a full table, or even 6 handed. It's heads up, and KK is a huge hand and can get called with many crushed preflop raising hands, but A8 is not one of them unless a player is a fish, or has extra info. I don't think he is a fish, and his history is some really queer play.

**wiffle** · 01-09-12, 12:27 AM

u mad?

**playersonly69** · 01-09-12, 12:28 AM

I just want to know what in the hell that we are looking at in your avatar??

**TheCentaur** · 01-09-12, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by wiffle

u mad?

Yes I am

**TheMoneyShot** · 01-09-12, 01:04 AM

Centaur - I've seen a lot of odd calls myself today... especially in the Sunday tournament. Some people do strange sh#$ all the time. I really wouldn't let it bother you. The cards come out totally different from regular tables to tourney tables. I've noticed this... some players have a unique style... you simply won't understand...

**JACK MATZ** · 01-09-12, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

He kills me too or did when I played conservative. I've done much better against him recently. You just have to meet his aggression head on. He is raising pre flop aggressively with anything worth playing like a J9 unsuited.

John you need to ban this guy. This is Bullshit! When someone raises me it messes up my game. I did not join SBR to to be around people like this. It's mean, rude and unfair!

**raydog** · 01-09-12, 01:41 AM

centaur, ill try to break this to you easy bud...when you have a 7-figure gambling bankroll, making an iffy call for 900 sbr poker points really doesnt mean that much to someone...i hope you understand

**The Kraken** · 01-09-12, 01:56 AM

Sbr be warned!

Bad beats are happening at your tables and paying customers are unhappy.

**TheCentaur** · 01-09-12, 02:07 AM

Do not take me for some cheap conjurer of bad beat stories. I'm not trying whine to you. I'm trying to help you.

**mikemca** · 01-09-12, 09:28 AM

When you are a crazy aggro player A8 is the nuts , especially HU.

**BIGDAY** · 01-09-12, 09:30 AM

Try sitting next to him at the SBR bash poker tourney pal...

Guy can read minds, even through a computer. And he's from MN so he's a good guy.

**snoopaloop31** · 01-09-12, 09:33 AM

Arent you playing headsup? Its not that uncommon for a shove with A high playing headsup.

**Double Bogey** · 01-09-12, 10:00 AM

Waaaaaaaaaaah, I went all in with kings and lost. Try playing poker for more than a day. You might discover why you are the fish in this situation.

**banyoe1980** · 01-09-12, 10:17 AM

may be he just lucky player

**pokernut9999** · 01-09-12, 11:06 AM

It is poker get use to it , no one is playing for real money.

He has more chips at his disposal than the average player.

If a decent player has 10k in chips and you have 1k he will beat you by just being agrressive.

**RudyRuetigger** · 01-09-12, 11:24 AM

rickysteve is 1 of the best players here. Maybe he was tilting a game or his kid just fukkin threw up on his clothes. Point is, you really have no clue why he called, and neither do I.....my guess is he knows you hit n run so he was taking advantage of your hand range vs his.

**mikejamm** · 01-09-12, 11:40 AM

Hey John, how about a Ruth Chris Gift Card total contest on tonights LSU/ALA game?

Since there's no more MNF, this would be a cool one to try and hit the half / final score on.

Plus I really want one of those beaver/camel toe/shaved clam look'in steak badges!

**blackbeSSt** · 01-09-12, 11:44 AM

LOL at all the threads about being cheated at sbr poker. what was the last count on how much 1 point is worth, .07 maybe? it may be ditry pool to hit and run or play bad cards, but playing for pennies what do you expect?

**RudyRuetigger** · 01-09-12, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by blackbeSSt

LOL at all the threads about being cheated at sbr poker. what was the last count on how much 1 point is worth, .07 maybe? it may be ditry pool to hit and run or play bad cards, but playing for pennies what do you expect?

your reasons don't match your conclusion.

Why would you expect people to cheat, hit n run, etc etc if its only for pennies?

**nomeansno** · 01-09-12, 11:56 AM

A8s is a pretty solid hand HU, also lol @ cheating for 900 sbr points and rigging the software omg

**downsouth** · 01-09-12, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by mikejamm

Since there's no more MNF, this would be a cool one to try and hit the half / final score on.

Plus I really want one of those beaver/camel toe/shaved clam look'in steak badges!

They are pretty bad ass

**blackbeSSt** · 01-09-12, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

your reasons don't match your conclusion. Why would you expect people to cheat, hit n run, etc etc if its only for pennies?

to piss people off.

i play bad cards and pretty much play every hand when im playing with my friends and the rare occasion i play sbr poker. why not? we aren't playing in the wsop or anything

until there are tables with a minimum of say 5000 points, you're gonna have the hit and runs/disconnects/play every hand type of people.

**RudyRuetigger** · 01-09-12, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by blackbeSSt

to piss people off.

i play bad cards and pretty much play every hand when im playing with my friends and the rare occasion i play sbr poker. why not? we aren't playing in the wsop or anything

until there are tables with a minimum of say 5000 points, you're gonna have the hit and runs/disconnects/play every hand type of people.

and forgive me for not being in the know of poker, but how does one cheat when playing online?

you might be right its to piss people off. but i think hit n runs/disconnects usually happen because its scared money.

when i mentioned people disconnecting on sbr, i think it went up 100%, so i better not mention how to cheat