icing the kicker

[thetrinity]

who started this? is there anything dumber that works less then this thats en vogue?

[Dad]

I think Mike Shanahan started it.

[LVHerbie]

Everything I've seen points to it having no effect... On the other hand you can't take the timeouts with you...

[Brock Landers]

if it worked once that was good enough for these coaches, they will do anything to win a game

[sickler]

It's a greaseball tactic. I don't approve

[Reload]

Here is some history of it from Wikipedia

Effectiveness

A study was undertaken by Scott Berry, a statistician and the former chairman of the Statistics in Sports section of the American Statistical Association, and Craig Wood, a biostatistician and the Henry Hood Center for Health Research Pillar Award winner, which was published in 2004 in the journal Chance.<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4]</sup> Berry and Wood looked at every field-goal attempt made in the 2002 and 2003 NFL seasons, including playoffs, and concluded that, for "pressure kicks" – those made with 3 minutes or less remaining in the game or overtime period which would tie the game up or put the kicking team in the lead – in the 40-55 yard range, icing the kicker caused the percentage of successful attempts to drop by about ten percent for an average kicker on a sunny day. On shorter kicks, the effect was found to be negligible.<sup id="cite_ref-nyt102107_0-1" class="reference">[1]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference">[5]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference">[6]</sup> However, the statistical signficance of the difference found – which amounted to four kicks out of 39 attempts – has been questioned,<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7]</sup> and an examination by Nick Stamms of STATS, Inc. found that "pressure kicks" (defined as above except within two minutes, not three) in the NFL regular season from 1991 to 2005 showed an insignificant difference between non-iced kicks (457 out of 637, or 71.7%) and iced kicks (152 out of 211 or 72%).<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference">[8]</sup>

[k13]

Only works against the Cowboys.

[Dad]

From: http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...ctive-practice

FG Pct by Distance, Since 2001
10 Seconds or Less in 4th Qtr

<TABLE><THEAD><TR><TH></TH><TH>Iced</TH><TH>Not Iced</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class=last><TD>Under 30 yds</TD><TD>100.0</TD><TD>96.7</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>30-39 yds</TD><TD>100.0</TD><TD>80.8</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>40-49 yds</TD><TD>73.7</TD><TD>69.8</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>50+ yds</TD><TD>77.8</TD><TD>37.5</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>Total</TD><TD>83.0</TD><TD>70.2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
With 10 seconds or less remaining in the 4th quarter, kickers who are not iced have made 70.2 percent of field goals since 2001.

When a timeout is called immediately before the try, they made 83.0 percent of attempts. That increase of 12.8 percentage points means recent attempts to ice a kicker at the end of a game actually increased the kicker’s chances of success by 18.2 percent.

[thetrinity]

From: http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...ctive-practice FG Pct by Distance, Since 2001 10 Seconds or Less in 4th Qtr <TABLE><THEAD><TR><TH></TH><TH>Iced</TH><TH>Not Iced</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class=last><TD>Under 30 yds</TD><TD>100.0</TD><TD>96.7</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>30-39 yds</TD><TD>100.0</TD><TD>80.8</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>40-49 yds</TD><TD>73.7</TD><TD>69.8</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>50+ yds</TD><TD>77.8</TD><TD>37.5</TD></TR><TR class=last><TD>Total</TD><TD>83.0</TD><TD>70.2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>With 10 seconds or less remaining in the 4th quarter, kickers who are not iced have made 70.2 percent of field goals since 2001. When a timeout is called immediately before the try, they made 83.0 percent of attempts. That increase of 12.8 percentage points means recent attempts to ice a kicker at the end of a game actually increased the kicker’s chances of success by 18.2 percent.

not really suprised at this at all, it gives a kicker a chance to compose himself and maybe even get a practice kick in. kickers are pretty much expecting this now. perhaps the 2002-2003 success was due to variance only or maybe because it was still a newer practice and kickers hadnt become accustomed to being iced yet. at any rate, its time for this to die just like the wing t and the flying wedge.

[stevenash]

Everything I've seen points to it having no effect...

Ask Pierre-Paul of the Giants if it has no effect in the Giant win over the Cowboys in the first game in Dallas.

Couglin called time out right before the Dallas FG kicker nailed the winner.
Coughlin and Pierre-Paul discussed during the time out, how Pierre-Paul wasn't getting any penetration over center, and shift to going over the guard during the second attempt.

Guess what, Pierre-Paul went over the guard, put up his hand, and blocked the potential game winner.

[milwaukee mike]

Ask Pierre-Paul of the Giants if it has no effect in the Giant win over the Cowboys in the first game in Dallas.

Couglin called time out right before the Dallas FG kicker nailed the winner.
Coughlin and Pierre-Paul discussed during the time out, how Pierre-Paul wasn't getting any penetration over center, and shift to going over the guard during the second attempt.

Guess what, Pierre-Paul went over the guard, put up his hand, and blocked the potential game winner.

once in a while it works, nobody is arguing that

but for the most part it is useless, and if it is done a split second before the ball is snapped it is terrible sportsmanship.

[sickler]

once in a while it works, nobody is arguing that

but for the most part it is useless, and if it is done a split second before the ball is snapped it is terrible sportsmanship.

It should be done away with. It' on par with running up the score for bad sportsmanship