Jacksonville field goal attempt

[hawley]

Can someone clear this up for me.

They lined up in a field goal formation but it was fumbled, recovered then turned over on downs?


Would that mean the outcome of the drive was a field goal attempt or a turnover?


Cheers

[Powderguy]

turnover on downs, failed 4th down

[playersonly69]

[COLOR=#000000 !important]turnover on downs, failed 4th down[/COLOR]

[hawley]

turnover on downs, failed 4th down

I thought so. I had turnover but book graded it as field goal attempt and said as soon as they lined up in the field goal formation it qualifies as an attempt.

They are reviewing it now.

I think I am right

[InTheDrink]

the kick never happened....how could they say it wouldn't have been a fake?

[Powderguy]

Yeah, not a field goal attempt by any means

[hawley]

the kick never happened....how could they say it wouldn't have been a fake?

this is what I said to them.

Hopefully they correct it.

[hels]

The best was when the kicker tried to push the ball out of bounds 30 yards away

To answer your question: Would that mean the outcome of the drive was a field goal attempt or a turnover? It will be deemed a turnover. The ball was never placed and kicked towards the uprights. It was a non-successful 4th down (points or first down). It was considered a turnover because it was not punted away.

[hawley]

Thanks guys.

I knew it was a turnover but had a suspicion it would be graded as a field goal attempt.


Would not be worth the time it would take arguing it so hopefully they realise the distinction I made and grade it

[FindTheLock]

It is the same as going for it on 4th down and not converting. I don't know if they consider that a turn over though in the stats sheet. Just a unsuccessful first down attempt.

[tony_come]

Turnover

[FindTheLock]

if you look at the stats sheet it says that jags only have 1 turnover. Which was the interception. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=311205030 Don't know what you bet on, but GL with your wager.

[Powderguy]

It is the same as going for it on 4th down and not converting. I don't know if they consider that a turn over though in the stats sheet. Just a unsuccessful first down attempt.

Because it's not a turnover in the stats, it's called "a turnover on downs", different from turnover.....that went down as an unsuccessful 4th down attempt

[InTheDrink]

FYI in the box score on NFL.com Nick Harris (punter/holder) has 1 carry for 0 yards. Apparently he picked up the fumble and got credit for a carry.



turnover on downs....can't have a rush on a fg att lol

[FindTheLock]

I understand that, but I was trying to clear it up with him. I don't know what he bet on. Jags went for it twice on fourth down and were unsuccessful both times. They call it a turn over on downs because the other team gets the ball, but for wagering purposes it isn't considered a turnover. Maybe he bet on the O1.5 turnovers for the jags or the game?? I don't know.

[InTheDrink]

oh and nfl.com really blows now huh?

[FindTheLock]

oh and nfl.com really blows now huh?

haha I know I was typing to the guy above your post... I am curious to see how this pans out though!

[hawley]

I took result of current drive - turnover.


I was 99% sure I was correct just wanted to confirm before I asked the book about it.

[Gee]

Hawley you fvcking degenerate sheep licker

Live betting the result of each drive are you?

[hawley]

Hawley you fvcking degenerate sheep licker

Live betting the result of each drive are you?

Had a good angle here....played out nothing like I imagined


Gee I was sitting at work and needed action quick. Bet365 is being difficult about it

[Gee]

Had a good angle here....played out nothing like I imagined Gee I was sitting at work and needed action quick. Bet365 is being difficult about it

Its good fun doing that.

For the record, i can't see how it can count as a field goal attempt. Hope you collect!

[LT Profits]

I took result of current drive - turnover.


I was 99% sure I was correct just wanted to confirm before I asked the book about it.

That is a loser because it was not a turnover. It was a failed 4th down conversion.

[hawley]

That is a loser because it was not a turnover. It was a failed 4th down conversion.

so its not a turnover on downs?


Can a mod or someone confirm this for me?


Bet365 actually emailed me and said this:

In regards to your query on SD Chargers @ JAX Jaguars, I can confirm that the settlement of
Result of Current Drive - Turnover (17th Drive) has been reviewed and has been confirmed as being correct.

The formation for the 4th down on the 17th drive was a field goal attempt unfortunately it is irrelevant if the field goal is fumbled as the field goal was the intended action.


I didn't even see the play but if it was fumbled before the kick was attempted how do they know whether it was going to be a fake etc

[hawley]

Bet365 are maintaing that because they were in field goal formation they attempted the FG


Is this worth making a complaint about? I want to just because the wankers on chat are annoying me

[FindTheLock]

Well if that bad snap resulting in a fumble was recovered by the chargers, then you would win the bet. A failed 4th down conversion is a turn over on downs, but it doesn't get recorded as a turn over on the stat sheet. I was curious how they would reply to your inquiry on this. They are a Euro book so they don't understand American football very well apparently. The grade is correct, but the reason they gave you isn't. I think when you bet on a turnover to occur on a particular drive, the stat sheet has to record a fumble recovery or interception on that drive. A turn over on downs is just a failed 4th down conversion, which is not recorded as a turn over in the stats.

[hawley]

So I guess the bet was a loss but their reasoning is just incorrect?

[FindTheLock]

yeah sorry bro. That play was considered a -30 yard rushing play instead of a turn over. if the Chargers recovered, which they almost did, then you would be cashing that bet!

[grizzlies1]

Keep fighting Hawley. I use bet365 and they have always been fair enough with me. But I always want to see the punter win and not the bookie. The only real issue I've had was when I had a large bet on Michigan -14 first game of the season. They were up by a ton and the coaches mutually agreed to end the game due to lightening. It was graded void bet which is the norm but I was fukking fuming.

[LT Profits]

You bet that the drive would end on a turnover, which literally means turning the ball over on either a lost fumble or an interception. Turning the ball over on downs is not a turnover. Interestingly, you WOULD have won your play if San Diego would have fallen on the bad snap, as it then would have officially been ruled a lost fumble.

[LT Profits]

Sorry, I didn't see that FindThatLock already verified.

[FourLengthsClear]

You bet that the drive would end on a turnover, which literally means turning the ball over on either a lost fumble or an interception. Turning the ball over on downs is not a turnover. Interestingly, you WOULD have won your play if San Diego would have fallen on the bad snap, as it then would have officially been ruled a lost fumble.

Bet365's own rules state:

quote
Result of Current Drive - If Team A has the ball and fumble, and the ball is recovered by Team B, who then fumble it back to Team A; the outcome will be settled as Turnover, due to possession changing hands twice. Turnover on Downs (failed 4th Down attempt) will be settled as turnover.
unquote

Their response to Hawley is unsatisfactory from several perspectives, If I was in his shoes I would submit a complaint.

[Pharieswheel]

a field goal attempt is just that, however it turns out, they lined up for the attempt, weather it's fumbled, bad snap, it goes down as field goal attempt.

[LT Profits]

Bet365's own rules state:

quote
Result of Current Drive - If Team A has the ball and fumble, and the ball is recovered by Team B, who then fumble it back to Team A; the outcome will be settled as Turnover, due to possession changing hands twice. Turnover on Downs (failed 4th Down attempt) will be settled as turnover.
unquote

Their response to Hawley is unsatisfactory from several perspectives, If I was in his shoes I would submit a complaint.

Wow, that is obviously a house rule that I was unaware of that is not consistent with NFL rules. If that is the case and he bet this at Bet365, then the play is a winner without doubt. There was no field goal attempted, the drive ended on a rushing play (thus, turned over on downs).

[LT Profits]

a field goal attempt is just that, however it turns out, they lined up for the attempt, weather it's fumbled, bad snap, it goes down as field goal attempt.

FALSE, there is no field goal attempt unless the ball is actually kicked legally. Since there was no kick, the play is treated like a regular play from scrimmage, i.e. a rushing play. Unless Bet365 has a retarded in-house rule covering that too.

[LT Profits]

so its not a turnover on downs?


Can a mod or someone confirm this for me?


Bet365 actually emailed me and said this:

In regards to your query on SD Chargers @ JAX Jaguars, I can confirm that the settlement of
Result of Current Drive - Turnover (17th Drive) has been reviewed and has been confirmed as being correct.

The formation for the 4th down on the 17th drive was a field goal attempt unfortunately it is irrelevant if the field goal is fumbled as the field goal was the intended action.


I didn't even see the play but if it was fumbled before the kick was attempted how do they know whether it was going to be a fake etc

That is total bull, if they don't have an in-house rule covering this, then they HAVE to adhere to the official NFL scoring, There was no field goal attempt here, the OFFICIAL scoring recorded it as a rush (well technically, it was a fumble recovered by the offense and not advanced, which is why the player was credited with one carry for 0 yards instead of one carry for -30 yards. Regardless, the CARRY is all that is relevant).