Alabama deserves a rematch?

[Albert Pujols]

Of course... how can you even ask that? You think Boise State should get into the BCS ahead of TCU just because they would be favored on a neutral field?

The ACC sucks. I would still rather see V Tech.

Or of course OK St. (assuming one of those teams wins tonight).

Alabama can not win a real national championship. There is nothing they can do in one game to surpass LSU. They had their chance, at home, and they lost. There is nothing they can do against this 13-0 SEC Champion to surpass them in one game.

Actually in the real world the winner of a title game is the title winner.

[TexansFan]

You are entitled to your opinion/"book" but the crystal ball will go to the team that wins Jan 9th.

Yes, but if Alabama won the game therecould still be a split champion. I think the AP ranks a champion as well.

[HoldEmHook!!]

I would love to see them get punished for scheduling North Texas, Kent State and an FCS school in their non-conference schedule. I hate that bullshit.

And I like Alabama.

Kansas and Louisiana Laffeyette and Tulsa and and Iowa st are world class....all schools play cup-cakes, but okst loses to them.

[HoldEmHook!!]

Of course... how can you even ask that? You think Boise State should get into the BCS ahead of TCU just because they would be favored on a neutral field?

The ACC sucks. I would still rather see V Tech.

Or of course OK St. (assuming one of those teams wins tonight).

Alabama can not win a real national championship. There is nothing they can do in one game to surpass LSU. They had their chance, at home, and they lost. There is nothing they can do against this 13-0 SEC Champion to surpass them in one game.

Yes they can win a championship, It would be #14.

[KGambler]

Actually in the real world the winner of a title game is the title winner.

You lack reading comprehension. I already said in my first post that the winner would be the "BCS National Champion".

That is not the same as the AP National Champion.

If OK State defeats LSU, everyone has them as national champions. If Alabama wins, they would only win the dumbass "BCS title" and most sane people would have a different team as the national champs.

How could Alabama be ranked ahead of a team that had a better record, played a much tougher schedule, won more games, tied them head to head (including a win on the road), and won the SEC title? They can't.

Alabama is done, it's over, let someone else have a shot at LSU.

[HoldEmHook!!]

Okl St belongs in final game

Bama did not even have to play the last few weeks

Bedlam is a regular season game as well, BIG 12-2's ploy to equate to a conference championship

[KGambler]

Kansas and Louisiana Laffeyette and Tulsa and and Iowa st are world class....all schools play cup-cakes, but okst loses to them.

Rankings don't come from 1 game.

OK State has a more impressive resume. That alone should be enough to have them in the mix.

When you consider LSU is the SEC Champion and has defeated Alabama on the road, it becomes a no-brainer in my opinion.

This is not about power ratings, or else last year's Alabama team would have been in contention for the title game. You have to go off of results, not how Vegas would handicap the game.

[HoldEmHook!!]

You lack reading comprehension. I already said in my first post that the winner would be the "BCS National Champion".

That is not the same as the AP National Champion.

If OK State defeats LSU, everyone has them as national champions. If Alabama wins, they would only win the dumbass "BCS title" and most sane people would have a different team as the national champs.

How could Alabama be ranked ahead of a team that had a better record, tied them head to head (including a win on the road), and won the SEC title? They can't.

Alabama is done, it's over, let someone else have a shot at LSU.

my fix would be if Bama wins to wait 2 weeks and play the game again in the Superdome or the ATL or wherever. Let the gate and all proceeds get split between Saban and Miles charities.

[HoldEmHook!!]

Rankings don't come from 1 game.

OK State has a more impressive resume. That alone should be enough to have them in the mix.

When you consider LSU is the SEC Champion and has defeated Alabama on the road, it becomes a no-brainer in my opinion.

This is not about power ratings, or else last year's Alabama team would have been in contention for the title game. You have to go off of results, not how Vegas would handicap the game.

Why bring up Bama's schedule then, you just negated your own argument. OKST resume is not better. No way possible, Negatives effect a resume as well as positives.

[Albert Pujols]

You lack reading comprehension. I already said in my first post that the winner would be the "BCS National Champion".

That is not the same as the AP National Champion.

If OK State defeats LSU, everyone has them as national champions. If Alabama wins, they would only win the dumbass "BCS title" and most sane people would have a different team as the national champs.

How could Alabama be ranked ahead of a team that had a better record, tied them head to head (including a win on the road), and won the SEC title? They can't.

Alabama is done, it's over, let someone else have a shot at LSU.

You are making up qualifications that don't exist. And while you have convinced yourself that anyone who disagrees with you is insane, your logic is a joke.

When 1 and 2 play for the BCS title, the winner is the champion. The loser doesn't lose, but win. Maybe a few years the AP gives it to the team that gets left out of the BCS game once in awhile. But your idea is just plain silly.

[zsr]

You lack reading comprehension. I already said in my first post that the winner would be the "BCS National Champion".

That is not the same as the AP National Champion.

If OK State defeats LSU, everyone has them as national champions. If Alabama wins, they would only win the dumbass "BCS title" and most sane people would have a different team as the national champs.

How could Alabama be ranked ahead of a team that had a better record, played a much tougher schedule, won more games, tied them head to head (including a win on the road), and won the SEC title? They can't.

Alabama is done, it's over, let someone else have a shot at LSU.

what are you talking about? If Alabama beats lsu in the title game, there the champions, no one cares about the AP champion or whatever poll your talking about. The system clearly sucks, but if they win there the best team. Same thing as any other sport when two teams play in the regular season, then again in the title game, whoever wins the title game is the champion.

[HoldEmHook!!]

You lack reading comprehension. I already said in my first post that the winner would be the "BCS National Champion".

That is not the same as the AP National Champion.

If OK State defeats LSU, everyone has them as national champions. If Alabama wins, they would only win the dumbass "BCS title" and most sane people would have a different team as the national champs.

How could Alabama be ranked ahead of a team that had a better record, played a much tougher schedule, won more games, tied them head to head (including a win on the road), and won the SEC title? They can't.

Alabama is done, it's over, let someone else have a shot at LSU.

with that logic if LSU played OKST and lost then they would be tied as well, well not really because with your thought process LSU would have more total wins and the same loss record so I guess in your comprehension LSU would still be the champion.

[Albert Pujols]

what are you talking about? If Alabama beats lsu in the title game, there the champions, no one cares about the AP champion. The system clearly sucks, but if they win there the best team. Same thing as any other sport when two teams play in the regular season, then again in the title game, whoever wins the title game is the champion.

Good point. Who cares what a bunch of sportswriters vote on anyway? They've never played and never coached and know very little about evaluating teams. It's like college professors teaching about business in the real world.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I hate rematches. Let Okie State get a shot at LSU and have Bama play somebody else in the Sugar Bowl. If they really are #1 and #2 they can prove it against 2 other teams and not themselves. I'm an SEC fan and I think Bama is #2 but LSU/Bama rematch proves nothing. LSU already won the game on the road. Can't penalize them by having them play Bama again.

[Mac4Lyfe]

what are you talking about? If Alabama beats lsu in the title game, there the champions, no one cares about the AP champion or whatever poll your talking about. The system clearly sucks, but if they win there the best team. Same thing as any other sport when two teams play in the regular season, then again in the title game, whoever wins the title game is the champion.

The BCS rules state that the winner of the game MUST be voted #1. There's no way around that.

[KGambler]

what are you talking about? If Alabama beats lsu in the title game, there the champions,

Yes, they win the BCS title. I keep stating this, not sure why you guys keep repeating it back to me.

no one cares about the AP champion or whatever poll your talking about.

Totally wrong. And this "title game" was supposed to remove this huge problem of having "split" national championships.

The system clearly sucks,

True.

but if they win there the best team.

False.

Same thing as any other sport when two teams play in the regular season, then again in the title game, whoever wins the title game is the champion.

False again. In other sports there are clear rules for qualifying for the playoffs. What you guys are advocating in this case is unfair to both LSU and OK State. The system sucks and you guys want to make it even worse. This is not like the World Series, where the AL Pennant winner plays the National League pennant winner (notice the Red Sox did not get "voted" in just because they were a top 3 team). You guys keep trying to compare this to sports whose seedings are wholly determined on the field of play. That's a stupid comparison.

The "BCS" has neither history nor prestige on its side, and is based upon pure bullshit. Alabama getting a shot over OK State is all the proof you need that this is true.

[HoldEmHook!!]

The BCS rules state that the winner of the game MUST be voted #1. There's no way around that.

Sorry Mac, BCS rules also state 1 plays 2 for it all, system sucks I agree,

[KGambler]

with that logic if LSU played OKST and lost then they would be tied as well, well not really because with your thought process LSU would have more total wins and the same loss record so I guess in your comprehension LSU would still be the champion.

No, you must have missed I keep stressing the head to head record.

Do you not understand that if OK State defeats LSU, everyone would have OK State as the true national champion? The same cannot be said of Alabama. Sorry, they can't pass SEC Champion LSU in one game. It's too late for that.

[zsr]

I don't even know what you guys are arguing. If alabama beats lsu, there number 1 and there bcs national champions. Thats pretty clear cut. We can all agree the system sucks though.

[face]

is oklahoma tanking on purpose or something?

[KGambler]

Good point. Who cares what a bunch of sportswriters vote on anyway? They've never played and never coached and know very little about evaluating teams. It's like college professors teaching about business in the real world.

So I guess the Harris poll shouldn't be a component of the BCS rankings then.

[HoldEmHook!!]

Yes, they win the BCS title. I keep stating this, not sure why you guys keep repeating it back to me.



Totally wrong. And this "title game" was supposed to remove this huge problem of having "split" national championships.



True.



False.



False again. In other sports there are clear rules for qualifying for the playoffs. What you guys are advocating in this case is unfair to both LSU and OK State. The system sucks and you guys want to make it even worse. This is not like the World Series, where the AL Pennant winner plays the National League pennant winner (notice the Red Sox did not get "voted" in just because they were a top 3 team). You guys keep trying to compare this to sports whose seedings are wholly determined on the field of play. That's a stupid comparison.

The "BCS" has neither history nor prestige on its side, and is based upon pure bullshit. Alabama getting a shot over OK State is all the proof you need that this is true.

Bama is ranked higher, if they end up 2nd they get to play. You say Bama had its chance=true, you say they had to win. Well then OKST and the other 119 DIV 1 teams had the same chance and failed, they lost too, and to a lesser opponent's. By your measure no one deserves the right to play.

[zsr]

No, you must have missed I keep stressing the head to head record.

Do you not understand that if OK State defeats LSU, everyone would have OK State as the true national champion? The same cannot be said of Alabama. Sorry, they can't pass SEC Champion LSU in one game. It's too late for that.

I have to agree with pujols. Your making up your own qualifications that don't actually exist and trying to convince everyone that it's true. It's just your opinion, which your obviously entitled too.

[HoldEmHook!!]

No, you must have missed I keep stressing the head to head record.

Do you not understand that if OK State defeats LSU, everyone would have OK State as the true national champion? The same cannot be said of Alabama. Sorry, they can't pass SEC Champion LSU in one game. It's too late for that.

OKST didn't play a conference championship game either.

[KGambler]

I don't even know what you guys are arguing. If alabama beats lsu, there number 1 and there bcs national champions. Thats pretty clear cut. We can all agree the system sucks though.

Not in the AP poll.

The AP poll has been around quite a while and definitely has more presitge than the "coaches poll", the "harris poll" and the "computer poll" (the three BCS components).

The BCS title game determines the BCS championship. There can still be what is called a "split national championship" though. If Alabama wins the title game, I would have to think either LSU or OK State will be voted #1 by most voters.

[decado]

just popped up on espn. as for myself, i have a feeling it will be osu.

[KGambler]

Bama is ranked higher, if they end up 2nd they get to play. You say Bama had its chance=true, you say they had to win. Well then OKST and the other 119 DIV 1 teams had the same chance and failed, they lost too, and to a lesser opponent's. By your measure no one deserves the right to play.

Pujols doesn't even know how the BCS rankings are determined (sports writers do vote in the Harris poll) and wants to equate a system where three terrible polls determine the #1 and #2 seeds to a professional playoff system where the seedings are determined on the field of play.

You guys also don't seem to know what a "split national championship" is, nor what the AP poll is.

[KGambler]

Why bring up Bama's schedule then,

Because ranking don't come from 1 game, but from all of the games?

[KGambler]

OKST didn't play a conference championship game either.

Did I say they did?

Are you drunk?

LSU is the SEC champion. Alabama plays in the SEC.

[zsr]

Pujols doesn't even know how the BCS rankings are determined (sports writers do vote in the Harris poll) and wants to equate a system where three terrible polls determine the #1 and #2 seeds to a professional playoff system where the seedings are determined on the field of play.

You guys also don't seem to know what a "split national championship" is, nor what the AP poll is.

I think everyone will assume the team who wins the actual national championship game, and takes home the trophy, is the national champion. I don't think lsu will be celebrating the AP poll calling them champions.

[HoldEmHook!!]

just popped up on espn. as for myself, i have a feeling it will be osu.

With Vtech getting crushed and OKST destroying OK it will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.....................Kinda wished GEO would have won. Now that would have been a thread for the ages.

[zsr]

The only split national title I remember is when USC and lsu both played different teams in bowl games, I'll assume that's what your referring too but this is a totally different situation as lsu and Alabama will be playing each other

[HoldEmHook!!]

Because ranking don't come from 1 game, but from all of the games?

then TERRIBLE (iowast) losses count too

[KGambler]

I think everyone will assume the team who wins the actual national championship game, and takes home the trophy, is the national champion. I don't think lsu will be celebrating the AP poll calling them champions.

What a terrible assumption.

The Associated Press releases their rankins for a reason (hint: same reason since 1934).

[HoldEmHook!!]

Good night all, this thread has been fun, untill tomorrow. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!