Alabama deserves a rematch?

[lyon804]

And Alabama gave up 21 points to a D2 team on their homefield. Appalachian St. and Citadel held Georgia Southern to less points than that.

I am sure Alabama was really up to that game considering it was a bye week before the Rivalry game. It's funny the most points they gave up all year was a D2 team so I guess Alabama just sucks

[Romocide]

I am sure Alabama was really up to that game considering it was a bye week before the rivalry game. It's funny the most points they gave up all year was a D2 team so I guess Alabama just sucks

I am sure Oklahoma St. was really up to playing Iowa State considering the school had just suffered a horrific tragedy the day before. The only loss they had all year was to an unranked team, so I guess they suck.

Lol, I'm not trying to be an ass, but it goes both ways when it comes to excuses.

[Albert Pujols]

I am sure Oklahoma St. was really up to playing Iowa State considering the school had just suffered a horrific tragedy the day before. The only loss they had all year was to an unranked team, so I guess they suck.

Lol, I'm not trying to be an ass, but it goes both ways when it comes to excuses.

They still blew them out. Doesn't mean a thing.

[lyon804]

I am sure Oklahoma St. was really up to playing Iowa State considering the school had just suffered a horrific tragedy the day before. The only loss they had all year was to an unranked team, so I guess they suck.

Lol, I'm not trying to be an ass, but it goes both ways when it comes to excuses.

A little weaker argument considering it was a conference opponent and they was undefeated at that point and if remained undefeated they would be playing in the NC game no questions asked. Alabama was never losing to a D2 school during the bye week.


I am not going to make lite of that tragedy again and get chewed out, but do you really think that was the problem???

I mean Okla St had a 17 pt lead in that game late.. In the 4Q did they get emotional thinking about the loss of life all of a sudden?

The people that were lost was horrible, but does it make it anymore important because they had ties to the school?? You do realize people are dying all over the country for various reasons every day!! It gets more attention of course because those people have a high profile working for a major instutution.


Bottomline, most of those players probably never met those coaches and short of losing a direct familly member or a good friend it is not any more tragic than hearing about joe blow getting killed in a car accident from your home town.

[guitarjosh]

When you lose to an unranked team, you should lose the right to play in the national tittle game.

So LSU shouldn't have been in the 2007 BCS game since they lost to unranked Kentucky?

[Romocide]

A little weaker argument considering it was a conference opponent and they was undefeated at that point and if remained undefeated they would be playing in the NC game no questions asked. Alabama was never losing to a D2 school during the bye week.


I am not going to make lite of that tragedy again and get chewed out, but do you really think that was the problem???

I mean Okla St had a 17 pt lead in that game late.. In the 4Q did they get emotional thinking about the loss of life all of a sudden?

The people that were lost was horrible, but does it make it anymore important because they had ties to the school?? You do realize people are dying all over the country for various reasons every day!! It gets more attention of course because those people have a high profile working for a major instutution.


Bottomline, most of those players probably never met those coaches and short of losing a direct familly member or a good friend it is not any more tragic than hearing about joe blow getting killed in a car accident from your home town.

You have to admit that the timing of the loss was a little odd, considering the way that OSU was playing before and has played since. The players might not have been that affected, but I could definitely see the coaching staff being off their game because of the tragedy. It's not far fetched to believe that they had long term relationships with the coaches that died and were possibly close to them. They could have placed extra pressure on themselves to honor the deceased with a win and it could have changed their normal though processes during the game. Anything is possible in that situation.

[sandman0713]

You have to admit that the timing of the loss was a little odd, considering the way that OSU was playing before and has played since. The players might not have been that affected, but I could definitely see the coaching staff being off their game because of the tragedy. It's not far fetched to believe that they had long term relationships with the coaches that died and were possibly close to them. They could have placed extra pressure on themselves to honor the deceased with a win and it could have changed their normal though processes during the game. Anything is possible in that situation.

actually the coaches were close. he was the joker that made fun of everything...even himself, and everybody loved him. he left behind a wife and 3 kids...and he deserves much better than a few ***** using his death to debate a football game. added pressure...no. gundy actually made a huge point about none of the players using it for motivation, and to seperate it from football.

[sandman0713]

it's just a football game guys. if ostate were to beat ou, and the human voters still don't put them in...that is the end of the story i guess. i will be just as excited to watch us in whatever bcs game we would end up in, and i would be proud of what these kids have done this season. first things first tho...beating the sooners for the first time in 4ever. just remember when you say things like "houston is garbage" you are talking about actual college kids who love football and sacrifice much to play the game. all we sacrifice is 3 hours, some bean dip, and $50 out of our online accounts. don't think that earns us the right to call any of them "losers"...lol.

[antifoil]

hey guys can we get another second chance please. we didn't mean to lose the first time, i promise.

alabama think this is tee ball where they can still run the bases after they get an out.

[Romocide]

actually the coaches were close. he was the joker that made fun of everything...even himself, and everybody loved him. he left behind a wife and 3 kids...and he deserves much better than a few ***** using his death to debate a football game. added pressure...no. gundy actually made a huge point about none of the players using it for motivation, and to seperate it from football.

The situation leaves it up for debate. The death of a person and the cause/effect of that particular death on other issues is debated all of the time. Get off your high horse and stop trying to be the PC police. As a matter of fact, I've seen you discuss this death in relation to the OSU loss on this very board.

[sandman0713]

The situation leaves it up for debate. The death of a person and the cause/effect of that particular death on other issues is debated all of the time. Get off your high horse and stop trying to be the PC police. As a matter of fact, I've seen you discuss this death in relation to the OSU loss on this very board.

never once have i said the death of this man had anything to do with a loss at iowa state. i feel that game should not have been played, and i may have made mention in one post of that. the fact that it was played tho is just as much the fault of ostate, if not more, than anyone else...and it is because of money. we chose to play...we lost...and that is the end of it. i went to the school man, and i am surrounded by people who went to school there, or attend classes there right now...and none of them are using this as an excuse, or even debating the issue. it is pointless. we lost the game, and it will forever be a loss. what is the point of talking about how the death of some man you didn't know impacted the on-field performance of some kids you don't know? let it go.

[sandman0713]

The situation leaves it up for debate. The death of a person and the cause/effect of that particular death on other issues is debated all of the time. Get off your high horse and stop trying to be the PC police. As a matter of fact, I've seen you discuss this death in relation to the OSU loss on this very board.

btw...i wasn't trying to be a dick to you man. i just quoted your post because it was the last one on here. i agree with pretty much everything you said. i just don't feel it does anything to use this as any kind of excuse.

[sandman0713]

The situation leaves it up for debate. The death of a person and the cause/effect of that particular death on other issues is debated all of the time. Get off your high horse and stop trying to be the PC police. As a matter of fact, I've seen you discuss this death in relation to the OSU loss on this very board.

my bad...i see where i did make mention of it one time. it was in the same post where i said "a weak ass bama team"...lol. i was angry at a post i felt was dumb, and responded with a dumb post of my own.

[Mo better blues]

Texas beat Kansas 43-0. Not sure where you got that.

Texas Tech isn't ranked because they played in the toughest conference in college football this season. 7 of their last 8 games were against ranked Big 12 teams. They are a decent team in a conference loaded with good teams. If they played Alabama's schedule this season, I'm sure they would be ranked. Decent in the SEC equals a guaranteed ranking.

Arkansas needed a miracle to beat A&M, the 6-7th best team in the Big 12. I would pick some of the Big 12's unranked teams to defeat some of the SEC's ranked teams.

Oklahoma St. would have 3-4 losses in the SEC???? That is too stupid to even dignify a rebuttal. Texas A&M wouldn't have 4 losses.

LSU's D would be put to the test every week in the Big 12, against multiple high powered offenses, so who knows if they go undefeated. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I do know that Alabama wouldn't be ranked #2 right now if they played in the Big 12.

Sorry...meant an unranked Missouri team. But the fact remamins...the Big 12 is not on the same level of the SEC...heck, the Pac 12 is closer to that level. Texas beats USC on the back of Vince Young and everyone wants to think the Big 12 is a great conference. You know Texas has top 5 recruiting classes year in and year out and Mck Brown has only 1 National to show for it...and lets not talk about Bob Stoops and Chokelahoma. Oklahoma State is gonna lose to Oklahoma this week so its all a moot point...but even if they dont...Stanford will take them out in the bowl...and where will that leave Big 12 fans? Clamouring for respect once again.

[Romocide]

btw...i wasn't trying to be a dick to you man. i just quoted your post because it was the last one on here. i agree with pretty much everything you said. i just don't feel it does anything to use this as any kind of excuse.

Not a problem at all man. Take care.

[MoneyLineDawg]

There is no fukkin debate......I'll listen to Houston and that's about it

The system is fukked up, but since LSU and Bama played eachother in the regular season, every other team had a chance to control their own destiny right to the national championship and no one fukkin did it

Bama/LSU are the 2 best teams in the country, period. And it's not really close.

All your complaining should be directed at the BCS system, NOT he fact that we are seeing a rematch with the 2 best teams in the country.

[sandman0713]

There is no fukkin debate......I'll listen to Houston and that's about it

The system is fukked up, but since LSU and Bama played eachother in the regular season, every other team had a chance to control their own destiny right to the national championship and no one fukkin did it

Bama/LSU are the 2 best teams in the country, period. And it's not really close.

All your complaining should be directed at the BCS system, NOT he fact that we are seeing a rematch with the 2 best teams in the country.

one of the teams playing for your conference championship got spanked by boise...but there is no debate. spare me the bs man. did bama not control their destiny as well? so funny...none of the posts by the loudmouths contain anything other than opinion.

[Hotlanta Steam]

@lyon804...

You do realize that historical data has very little importance in college football since several players graduate each year... The fact is... the SEC was way down this year... Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miss St, Tennessee and Auburn were down right awful this year...

Vandy was a surprise this year but still only finished 6-6 and 2-6 out of the sorry SEC east, Florida went in the tank after Brantley went down and never fully recovered (did you see them lose that horrible game to Florida State?) ... South Carolina without Lattimore had to squeak by the above awful Tennessee and Florida... Everyone pointing to the win over Clemson needs to understand that Clemson quit in the game before against NC State and they are a shell of the team they were earlier in the year since Sammy Watkins got injured...

You SEC homers act like we don't watch football... the fact is we watch more than just the SEC which probably means that we watch more than you since you seem to think any other conferences' games are so beneath you...

You say statistics don't lie...well all the computers which run strictly off statistics say that the Big 12 was the best conference this year by a wide margin over everyone...

[MoneyLineDawg]

one of the teams playing for your conference championship got spanked by boise...but there is no debate. spare me the bs man. did bama not control their destiny as well? so funny...none of the posts by the loudmouths contain anything other than opinion.

Who in your opinion are the 2 best teams in the country?

[MoneyLineDawg]

@lyon804...

You do realize that historical data has very little importance in college football since several players graduate each year... The fact is... the SEC was way down this year... Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miss St, Tennessee and Auburn were down right awful this year...

Vandy was a surprise this year but still only finished 6-6 and 2-6 out of the sorry SEC east, Florida went in the tank after Brantley went down and never fully recovered (did you see them lose that horrible game to Florida State?) ... South Carolina without Lattimore had to squeak by the above awful Tennessee and Florida... Everyone pointing to the win over Clemson needs to understand that Clemson quit in the game before against NC State and they are a shell of the team they were earlier in the year since Sammy Watkins got injured...

You SEC homers act like we don't watch football... the fact is we watch more than just the SEC which probably means that we watch more than you since you seem to think any other conferences' games are so beneath you...

You say statistics don't lie...well all the computers which run strictly off statistics say that the Big 12 was the best conference this year by a wide margin over everyone...

How is any of this relevant with regards to who will play in the national title game??

Bama and LSU could play in the fukkin Sun Belt for all I care, and I would still think they are the 2 best/ most talented teams in the country by alot

[sandman0713]

Who in your opinion are the 2 best teams in the country?

that is the point man...it is just opinion. i am completely certain lsu is the best team in the country, and they do deserve to go even if they lose tomm. their non-conference schedule and body of work is clearly better than any team in the country. after that it is just opinions bro. you are right...and if you read this thread thru you will see i do agree the only thing to be angry at is the system.

[MoneyLineDawg]

that is the point man...it is just opinion. i am completely certain lsu is the best team in the country, and they do deserve to go even if they lose tomm. their non-conference schedule and body of work is clearly better than any team in the country. after that it is just opinions bro. you are right...and if you read this thread thru you will see i do agree the only thing to be angry at is the system.

LSU obviously number 1......Bama HAS to be number 2, they looked exactly even with them even though they lost in OT......Also, in common opponents, Bama and LSU beat their common opponents in very similar fashion

Every other 1 loss team has a worse loss

Houston has a case, but obviously nobody else thinks so

[sandman0713]

that is the point man...it is just opinion. i am completely certain lsu is the best team in the country, and they do deserve to go even if they lose tomm. their non-conference schedule and body of work is clearly better than any team in the country. after that it is just opinions bro. you are right...and if you read this thread thru you will see i do agree the only thing to be angry at is the system.

why is it so hard for sec fans to accept there are other teams who feel like they deserve to be in the nc game as well? bama may well be the 2nd best team in the country, and you will never hear me say they are not. there is just no possible way you can PROVE it man, so it is opinion. shit, i said earlier bama prolly plays for it, and they deserve it just as much as anyone else. the fact that anyone could question a rematch seems to baffle the sec fans tho, and they lash out. i'm not saying bama doesn't deserve to go, and i really don't care if they do go...just pointing out there are other teams who also deserve...and i even gave up on that last night as a waste of time.

[chunk]

It has to be an LSU/Alabama rematch if you want a legitimate national championship. They would be hard pressed to deliver a better game than the first meeting, but I would look forward to seeing these two tee it up again. BTW, Houston could go down s.u. tomorrow.

[lyon804]

Have any of you ever heard DEFENSE wins championships? Or is that just a "cliche" to you? My memory is not real good at the moment but I don't recall any of those non-defense teams you people love winnings any championships recently. It seems most years one of them get to the championship game and are beat by an SEC opponent. The 2008 Chokelahoma Sooners had the best offense ever seen to man kind and was held to 14 pts by an SEC team and lost by 10 pts. Is the SEC deep this year? NO, it is not and is as bad as I have seen it in recent memory but the top 2 teams would beat any other team from any other conference on a neutral site 7/10 times or better. Arkansas, South Carolina, and Georgia is a closer measure to the best of the rest. Some, have made reference to how Arkansas "barely" beat Texas A&M but if memory serves me correctly so did OSU.....


That game Alabama vs LSU was "boring" to all of you because you are just "casual" fans and need to be tickled in the ear by big offensive machines and soft defenses. That was some of the best football you will ever watch, but you all chalk it up to "bad" offense. Did it ever occur to any of you all that scoring you watch in the big 12 and pac 12 is not good offense but bad defense. I can't recall a time when a top SEC team was torched by a top big 12 or Pac 12 team. The SEC already has Oklahoma State or better in the conference and they are called "ARKANSAS". Did you see how well they fared against LSU and Alabama?? Not very good, but Arkansas is damn near identical.. Offense maybe not quite as good as OSU, but defense a good bit better.

[sandman0713]

LSU obviously number 1......Bama HAS to be number 2, they looked exactly even with them even though they lost in OT......Also, in common opponents, Bama and LSU beat their common opponents in very similar fashion

Every other 1 loss team has a worse loss

Houston has a case, but obviously nobody else thinks so

houston beat every team they played. bama has 2 quality wins, and a very weak schedule honestly man. if we are going to forget about the weak schedule and focus only on the loss...houston deserves. not by my logic, but by the logic of most bama fans...lol. ostate has no common opposition with lsu and bama...so how could say for certain how bad ostate would have beaten those teams? lsu has not played in stillwater this season...so how could you say osu would not have stepped up and given them a game? all that said bro...it doesn't matter what i think. i just like poking holes in all the opinion-based posts in here with facts. 2 things i am angry about and feel are bad...
1. i feel bama and lsu need to play teams from other conferences in the bowl games. some may feel the sec is dominant still...but it is clearly down from past seasons. what do we base polls, conference stregnth, trashtalk, or whatever else on if the top teams in the sec are not going to play anyone but the sec?
2. there is no completely fair and honest way to decide a nc other than a playoff. any other way and someone will always have a beef of be able to question the nc.

like i said tho...my opinion, and it don't mean shit.

[lyon804]

Sandman, I will have you know I "spent" $160 on your Cowboys ML tommorow. A man of your passion for his team I felt deserved to be backed with some sugar money for shits n giggles. If it wins I'll have a little more sugar money to play with and if it loses it will confirm to me they are pretenders. Either way I win. OSU has only beat the Sooners only about 10 times in the last century. Here's to hoping it is there year. If they win convincingly I might just vote for them to play in the NC game against LSU to keep the SEC from losing the BCS Championship this year because one of them is bound to lose if OSU does not jump Bama.

[sandman0713]

Have any of you ever heard DEFENSE wins championships? Or is that just a "cliche" to you? My memory is not real good at the moment but I don't recall any of those non-defense teams you people love winnings any championships recently. It seems most years one of them get to the championship game and are beat by an SEC opponent. The 2008 Chokelahoma Sooners had the best offense ever seen to man kind and was held to 14 pts by an SEC team and lost by 10 pts. Is the SEC deep this year? NO, it is not and is as bad as I have seen it in recent memory but the top 2 teams would beat any other team from any other conference on a neutral site 7/10 times or better. Arkansas, South Carolina, and Georgia is a closer measure to the best of the rest. Some, have made reference to how Arkansas "barely" beat Texas A&M but if memory serves me correctly so did OSU.....


That game Alabama vs LSU was "boring" to all of you because you are just "casual" fans and need to be tickled in the ear by big offensive machines and soft defenses. That was some of the best football you will ever watch, but you all chalk it up to "bad" offense. Did it ever occur to any of you all that scoring you watch in the big 12 and pac 12 is not good offense but bad defense. I can't recall a time when a top SEC team was torched by a top big 12 or Pac 12 team. The SEC already has Oklahoma State or better in the conference and they are called "ARKANSAS". Did you see how well they fared against LSU and Alabama?? Not very good, but Arkansas is damn near identical.. Offense maybe not quite as good as OSU, but defense a good bit better.

but it didn't mean a thing man. lsu beat bama at bama in "the greatest game ever"...or whatever you guys call it, and it doesn't count. they beat you already on your own field...but now they are supposed to have to do it again on a neutral field to somehow be worthy of being national champions?...and i am supposed to be excited about this? can't you see how people question this?...honestly? it is dumb man...and many of these same voters threw a fit and refused a rematch when it was 2 big 10 teams who were clearly the best 2 teams in everyone's eyes.

[lyon804]

but it didn't mean a thing man. lsu beat bama at bama in "the greatest game ever"...or whatever you guys call it, and it doesn't count. they beat you already on your own field...but now they are supposed to have to do it again on a neutral field to somehow be worthy of being national champions?...and i am supposed to be excited about this? can't you see how people question this?...honestly? it is dumb man...and many of these same voters threw a fit and refused a rematch when it was 2 big 10 teams who were clearly the best 2 teams in everyone's eyes.

right, and that is why the Florida Gators spanked "The Ohio State's ass" in the NC game. The BCS people are trying to spare everybody of that this year because LSU is nasty..

[lyon804]

Think Defense, Defense, Defense. When other teams from other conferences start focusing on that rather than the spread offense then they will have a chance. Nothing wrong with the spread offense, but unfortunately it seems that the teams that incorporate that offense seem to run the "spread" defense as well.

[sandman0713]

Sandman, I will have you know I "spent" $160 on your Cowboys ML tommorow. A man of your passion for his team I felt deserved to be backed with some sugar money for shits n giggles. If it wins I'll have a little more sugar money to play with and if it loses it will confirm to me they are pretenders. Either way I win. OSU has only beat the Sooners only about 10 times in the last century. Here's to hoping it is there year. If they win convincingly I might just vote for them to play in the NC game against LSU to keep the SEC from losing the BCS Championship this year because one of them is bound to lose if OSU does not jump Bama.

lol...i bet the under. weather not looking as bad as they said, and i may be screwed on that. you guys just don't get it. i don't care if we lose to ou tomm. well i do, but not for the sake of this debate. i have never said bama did not deserve to play for it...just that others had a claim as well. i feel like espn tries to smooth it over and sweeten it up in the sake of the bcs...and that is keeping us from a playoff. it may be bama getting the shaft next year...and then i'm sure your tune will change. like this tho with espn...they use the ap poll to compare the wins of ostate and bama this week. why you ask...

ap top 25 wins are bama 2 and ostate 2
bcs top 25 wins are bama 2 and ostate 5...if they win tomm

why would you ever use a poll that is not even factored into the bcs formula to debate who should play for the bcs title? not saying we deserve it more...but is that really fair journalism? bcs has turned this entire nc thing into a joke. honest tho, because dude asked my opinion...i feel lsu beats ANYBODY they put in the nc easily...even ostate and bama.

[CBASS]

but it didn't mean a thing man. lsu beat bama at bama in "the greatest game ever"...or whatever you guys call it, and it doesn't count. they beat you already on your own field...but now they are supposed to have to do it again on a neutral field to somehow be worthy of being national champions?...and i am supposed to be excited about this? can't you see how people question this?...honestly? it is dumb man...and many of these same voters threw a fit and refused a rematch when it was 2 big 10 teams who were clearly the best 2 teams in everyone's eyes.

You bring up some very good points here.

[lyon804]

lol...i bet the under. weather not looking as bad as they said, and i may be screwed on that. you guys just don't get it. i don't care if we lose to ou tomm. well i do, but not for the sake of this debate. i have never said bama did not deserve to play for it...just that others had a claim as well. i feel like espn tries to smooth it over and sweeten it up in the sake of the bcs...and that is keeping us from a playoff. it may be bama getting the shaft next year...and then i'm sure your tune will change. like this tho with espn...they use the ap poll to compare the wins of ostate and bama this week. why you ask...

ap top 25 wins are bama 2 and ostate 2
bcs top 25 wins are bama 2 and ostate 5...if they win tomm

why would you ever use a poll that is not even factored into the bcs formula to debate who should play for the bcs title? not saying we deserve it more...but is that really fair journalism? bcs has turned this entire nc thing into a joke. honest tho, because dude asked my opinion...i feel lsu beats ANYBODY they put in the nc easily...even ostate and bama.

Cheers.. would you believe that I am not even an Alabama fan and I don't live in a trailor and I did not wed my cousin and I have all of my teeth. Hell I even graduated high school and went on to college on baseball scholarship and graduated from college as well (took a little more time than some). I bet that is hard for you to believe based on the perceived perception I think you have about me. Based on you calling me an Alabama fan.

[sandman0713]

anyways lyon...i gotta get to bed. i don't want to take anything away from bama if they go play for it man...so i will let it go and just stay out of these threads from now on. i don't dislike you, or even disagree with a lot of what you say. will look foward to talking to\bickering with you in other threads, and discussing all the bowl games. i just have to stop reading any threads that have to do with ostate, as i am way too close to not respond anytime anyone says something i don't like or agree with...lol. holla at you later man. take care...and i hope you hit that bet tomm.

[Hotlanta Steam]

A little weaker argument considering it was a conference opponent and they was undefeated at that point and if remained undefeated they would be playing in the NC game no questions asked. Alabama was never losing to a D2 school during the bye week.


I am not going to make lite of that tragedy again and get chewed out, but do you really think that was the problem???

I mean Okla St had a 17 pt lead in that game late.. In the 4Q did they get emotional thinking about the loss of life all of a sudden?

The people that were lost was horrible, but does it make it anymore important because they had ties to the school?? You do realize people are dying all over the country for various reasons every day!! It gets more attention of course because those people have a high profile working for a major instutution.

ll
Bottomline, most of those players probably never met those coaches and short of losing a direct familly member or a good friend it is not any more tragic than hearing about joe blow getting killed in a car accident from your home town.

First off... I can tell that you did not play D1 athletics... we all knew the basketball coaches (women's and men's) very well when I played in school... we shared tutors with the basketball players, shared weight rooms and other athletic facilities ate together at the dining hall etc...

Also did any of you people actually watch the Okie St /Iowa St game?

OSU had awful luck the entire game and still should have won...every tipped or deflected ball ended up in a Cyclone players hands whether on offense or defense. Also... the game winning FG from a normally clutch kicker went directly over the upright... it was a judgment call by the ref to call it good or no good...

We are talking less than 6 inches here from this conversation being moot....