Oklahoma State FREEZE-OUT - USA Coaches Poll

[zsr]

Bama beat a team that was just number THREE, how can that compare to houston and virginia tech's schedule? All those wins look great, all you had to do was beat the single worst team in your conference to get into the national championship game. And you couldnt do it. Your opinion on who deserves to play doesnt mean anything..OK state could win by 100 and they wont get in. I also like how you skewing everything. Ok state has 2 wins over current top 25 teams, and so does bama. Bama beat Florida when they were number 12, penn state when they were top 15, auburn when they were 24, arkansas when they were top 15 and they went on to be number 3.

They have the EXACT same number of wins over current ranked teams, and teams that were ranked when they played them. Your losing your own argument.

[sandman0713]

i gotta go...and i think i will just let people rip me now with no reply. those are facts tho man that are not up for debate. bama made it thru the sec with only one conference win over a current top 25 team. if ostate wins bedlam they would be conference champions of a conference either as good as or better than the sec, with 5 wins over current top 25 teams. for anyone to say ostate has no claim at all to the nc game, and anyone who thinks so is an idiot...well maybe some need to look in the mirror. btw...not saying bama doesn't deserve a shot as well...just that the people saying nobody else has a claim are clearly wrong.

[zsr]

Of course your done, because you just got proven wrong. The facts are what they are. They both beat the same number of current ranked teams, and teams that were ranked when they played. The conference means nothing. These are the facts. This was your only argument and it was wrong, and i showed that. You have nothing else to argue.

[sandman0713]

Bama beat a team that was just number THREE, how can that compare to houston and virginia tech's schedule? All those wins look great, all you had to do was beat the single worst team in your conference to get into the national championship game. And you couldnt do it. Your opinion on who deserves to play doesnt mean anything..OK state could win by 100 and they wont get in. I also like how you skewing everything. Ok state has 2 wins over current top 25 teams, and so does bama. Bama beat Florida when they were number 12, penn state when they were top 15, auburn when they were 24, arkansas when they were top 15 and they went on to be number 3.

They have the EXACT same number of wins over current ranked teams, and teams that were ranked when they played them. Your losing your own argument.

4...and would be 5 with bedlam win. those rankings i listed are current. i don't care what number auburn was before they got exposed...i could tell by the utah state game they weren't top 25. i don't care what number arkansas WAS. oklahoma WAS #1 before they were exposed. i asked you about wins over current top 25 teams.

[zsr]

Uhh no. They have 2 over current top 25 teams. Kansas state and Baylor. Same number as Bama. Check the AP top 25? Idk why your including oklahoma already lol

[sandman0713]

<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class="oddrow team-23-99"><TD>1</TD><TD>LSU</TD><TD align=middle>12-0</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-333"><TD>2</TD><TD>Alabama</TD><TD align=middle>11-1</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-197"><TD>3</TD><TD>Oklahoma State</TD><TD align=middle>10-1</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-24"><TD>4</TD><TD>Stanford</TD><TD align=middle>11-1</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-259"><TD>5</TD><TD>Virginia Tech</TD><TD align=middle>11-1</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-248"><TD>6</TD><TD>Houston</TD><TD align=middle>12-0</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-68"><TD>7</TD><TD>Boise State</TD><TD align=middle>10-1</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-8"><TD>8</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2483"><TD>9</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-201"><TD>10</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD align=middle>9-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2306"><TD>11</TD><TD>Kansas State</TD><TD align=middle>9-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2579"><TD>12</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-127"><TD>13</TD><TD>Michigan State</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-61"><TD>14</TD><TD>Georgia</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-275"><TD>15</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-130"><TD>16</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-239"><TD>17</TD><TD>Baylor</TD><TD align=middle>8-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2628"><TD>18</TD><TD>TCU</TD><TD align=middle>9-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-158"><TD>19</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD align=middle>9-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-228"><TD>20</TD><TD>Clemson</TD><TD align=middle>9-3</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-213"><TD>21</TD><TD>Penn State</TD><TD align=middle>9-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-251"><TD>22</TD><TD>Texas</TD><TD align=middle>7-4</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-277"><TD>23</TD><TD>West Virginia</TD><TD align=middle>8-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2572"><TD>24</TD><TD>Southern Miss</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-142"><TD>25</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD align=middle>7-5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3><TBODY><TR class="oddrow team-23-99"><TD>
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</TD><TD>LSU</TD><TD align=middle>12-0</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-333"><TD>2</TD><TD>Alabama</TD><TD align=middle>11-1</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-197"><TD>3</TD><TD>Oklahoma State</TD><TD align=middle>10-1</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-24"><TD>4</TD><TD>Stanford</TD><TD align=middle>11-1</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-259"><TD>5</TD><TD>Virginia Tech</TD><TD align=middle>11-1</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-248"><TD>6</TD><TD>Houston</TD><TD align=middle>12-0</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-68"><TD>7</TD><TD>Boise State</TD><TD align=middle>10-1</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-8"><TD>8</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2483"><TD>9</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-201"><TD>10</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD align=middle>9-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-2306"><TD>11</TD><TD>Kansas State</TD><TD align=middle>9-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2579"><TD>12</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-127"><TD>13</TD><TD>Michigan State</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-61"><TD>14</TD><TD>Georgia</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-275"><TD>15</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-130"><TD>16</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-239"><TD>17</TD><TD>Baylor</TD><TD align=middle>8-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2628"><TD>18</TD><TD>TCU</TD><TD align=middle>9-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-158"><TD>19</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD align=middle>9-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-228"><TD>20</TD><TD>Clemson</TD><TD align=middle>9-3</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-213"><TD>21</TD><TD>Penn State</TD><TD align=middle>9-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-251"><TD>22</TD><TD>Texas</TD><TD align=middle>7-4</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-277"><TD>23</TD><TD>West Virginia</TD><TD align=middle>8-3</TD></TR><TR class="evenrow team-23-2572"><TD>24</TD><TD>Southern Miss</TD><TD align=middle>10-2</TD></TR><TR class="oddrow team-23-142"><TD>25</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD align=middle>7-5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>current bcs standings to help you see how stupid you sound...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

[zsr]

I was looking at the AP. Nice job, like i said, all those wins look great, guess what they couldnt do? Beat the worst team in the conference. Guess who they'll be watching in the national championship game? I think you know the answer.

[zsr]

Listen, i was pulling for oklahoma state because i wanted to see if they could move the ball against LSU, would of been a great matchup. And after the tragedy that happened with the women's coaches it would of been a feel good story if they could of won the nation championship. They didnt take care of business and they were beat by a TERRIBLE team. Thats all there is too it. Theres nothing to argue because your opinion doesnt mean anything in terms of who plays in the title game. You know they wont get in, idk why your getting so worked up about it.

[sandman0713]

I was looking at the AP. Nice job, like i said, all those wins look great, guess what they couldnt do? Beat the worst team in the conference. Guess who they'll be watching in the national championship game? I think you know the answer.

never debated the fact that bama WOULD be in the nc game...of course they will. also...not really even debating the fact they have done plenty to earn that spot. just making the point that ostate would have a claim as well if they beat oklahoma...tho we won't get the chance. not crying...i will be happy if we win a conference championship and play a bsc bowl. it will be a huge step foward for our program if it happens. was just trying to make people in here see there is a case for other teams...and not just bama. gl with whatever man...later.

[zsr]

never debated the fact that bama WOULD be in the nc game...of course they will. also...not really even debating the fact they have done plenty to earn that spot. just making the point that ostate would have a claim as well if they beat oklahoma...tho we won't get the chance. not crying...i will be happy if we win a conference championship and play a bsc bowl. it will be a huge step foward for our program if it happens. was just trying to make people in here see there is a case for other teams...and not just bama. gl with whatever man...later.

Like i said above i would of liked to see oklahoma state/lsu, but theres just no claim for it once you lose to such a bad team. I would of loved to see boise play too, this might of been there year to get in but the damn kicker again. GL, hope you guys beat OU and get to play in a BCS game.

[sandman0713]

"Anyone who doesn't win their conference has no business playing in the national championship game." -Nick Saban 2003

ok...it seems saban didn't say this. i always take time to look around and study a little before posting here, and i always post what i know to be accurate info. i didn't get this from facebook or twitter, but instead from someplace i trusted to provide good info...and it seems it is completely false. after reading this article from an oklahoma reporter, it seems stupid for anyone to have thought he would say this at that time anyways...lol. of course it doesn't really do anything to change my opinion on any of this...but i don't want to be shooting out bs like this as fact.

http://blog.newsok.com/jennicarlson/2011/11/29/saban-quote-making-the-rounds-its-a-fake/

[itchypickle]

ok...it seems saban didn't say this. i always take time to look around and study a little before posting here, and i always post what i know to be accurate info. i didn't get this from facebook or twitter, but instead from someplace i trusted to provide good info...and it seems it is completely false. after reading this article from an oklahoma reporter, it seems stupid for anyone to have thought he would say this at that time anyways...lol. of course it doesn't really do anything to change my opinion on any of this...but i don't want to be shooting out bs like this as fact.

http://blog.newsok.com/jennicarlson/...ds-its-a-fake/

Heard ESPN's Chris Fowler blasted off Tweets discrediting it earlier too.

I should have known, Saban can do no wrong!!!

[lyon804]

The funniest thing you said Sandman was that the big 12 was just as strong as the SEC? Do you think all those points being scored with 66-57 final scores is because of superior offense? NO, It is called ZERO defense and whenever the best of the big 12 plays the best of the SEC it has been proven.


The same thing wins that has always won and it is called DEFENSE and the best teams in the SEC play it and the wannabe's make a mockery of the game of football by turning final scores into college basketball like finishes.

[Romocide]

Alabama thanks their lucky stars that they played Auburn, Miss State, Florida, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Tennessee this year instead of Ok. State, Oklahoma, K. State, Baylor, Texas, Missouri, A&M, or T. Tech

The Alabama D wouldn't be ranked near as high if it had to play this gauntlet of offenses. All of the Big 12 teams listed above would pose a threat to any top 10 team on any given weekend. It took a miracle for Arkansas, recent #3 in the country, to beat A&M who is the 7th best team in the Big 12. That Big 12 offense scored 38 on that SEC D. More than any other team all season long. Yet you say that Big 12 offenses only score big points because they play against weak Big 12 defenses?

[sandman0713]

Alabama thanks their lucky stars that they played Auburn, Miss State, Florida, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Tennessee this year instead of Ok. State, Oklahoma, K. State, Baylor, Texas, Missouri, A&M, or T. Tech

The Alabama D wouldn't be ranked near as high if it had to play this gauntlet of offenses. All of the Big 12 teams listed above would pose a threat to any top 10 team on any given weekend. It took a miracle for Arkansas, recent #3 in the country, to beat A&M who is the 7th best team in the Big 12. That Big 12 offense scored 38 on that SEC D. More than any other team all season long. Yet you say that Big 12 offenses only score big points because they play against weak Big 12 defenses?

waste of time bro. people see what they want to see. good article tho...

http://espn1420.com/from-the-birds-nest-the-case-for-oklahoma-state/

[Albert Pujols]

so you really want to see a bama team that wasn't good enough to beat this lsu team in their own stadium get mopped up again on a neutral field? bama has no chance...and after their 2nd crack at lsu i doubt they will have scored a td on that d. bama is posed to have one of the greatest home field advantages in the nation...yet oregon, w virginia, w kentucky, kentucky, miss state, florida, tennessee, auburn, and arkansas scored as much or more on the lsu d than bama did at home. i don't think anyone argues the fact the sec is the best conference...tho the bottom half of that conference is weaker than it has been in years. i don't think anyone argues the fact that lsu is the best team in the country. what sane people argue is that bama is not any better than stanford, va tech, ok state, and maybe a few others. of course i am an okstate fan...but in complete honesty i would have to say va tech is the 2nd best team in the country right now, and if they win their conference they have a much greater claim to the nc game than a bama team who already lost at home to lsu. i have heard for many years how the sec is measured against themselves by the homers and the media...and this is proof for me. what will be pathetic is if lsu loses to georgia...then you will have 2 teams playing for the NATIONAL title who weren't even good enough to win their own conference. debate it you homers in here...call me a moron or whatever...but bama has no legit claim to the nc game, and they will likely be humiliated on a neutral field in one of the most boring and unatractive title games of all time.

You are an idiot. Thanks for the 1,000 word essay in which all of your points are 100% wrong.

[MysteryMung]

Alabama thanks their lucky stars that they played Auburn, Miss State, Florida, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Tennessee this year instead of Ok. State, Oklahoma, K. State, Baylor, Texas, Missouri, A&M, or T. Tech

The Alabama D wouldn't be ranked near as high if it had to play this gauntlet of offenses. All of the Big 12 teams listed above would pose a threat to any top 10 team on any given weekend. It took a miracle for Arkansas, recent #3 in the country, to beat A&M who is the 7th best team in the Big 12. That Big 12 offense scored 38 on that SEC D. More than any other team all season long. Yet you say that Big 12 offenses only score big points because they play against weak Big 12 defenses?

[sandman0713]

"What's the point of the Tigers beating the Crimson Tide the first time around if they have to do it again? Doesn't it completely devalue the outcome of the first contest, which in turn invalidates the perpetual argument thrown out there by BCS proponents (namely, that every regular season game is a playoff of its own)? Don't the SEC honks that railed against an Ohio State-Michigan rematch a half-decade ago recognize their own hypocrisy in these matters?"

Avinash Kunnath

[sandman0713]

You are an idiot. Thanks for the 1,000 word essay in which all of your points are 100% wrong.

lol...the response of the sec fans. the things i stated as fact in that post are 100% truth, and can be verified with a quick look at team schedules. the parts where i state my opinion are 100% my opinion, which we are all entitled to...and there is no way it can be proven "wrong" unless lsu or bama play one of the teams i spoke of this year.

[zsr]

I really don't understand why anyone would even want to see a team that can't beat Iowa state play lsu? I think it's obvious the only team on the same level as lsu is Alabama. We can argue strength of schedule all day but what does it matter when you can't beat a bad team?

Like I said earlier, the only people whos opinions matter think Alabama and lsu are the best 2 teams. Those are the voters. Also, I'm sure this thread will go away if/when Oklahoma state gets rolled by Oklahoma.

[Night-Tripper]

So...How do you explain the SEC's dominance in the BCS Championship games ?

Because it's no secret that the entrance requirements of the SEC are not as stringent as most of the other conferences.

[zsr]

"What's the point of the Tigers beating the Crimson Tide the first time around if they have to do it again? Doesn't it completely devalue the outcome of the first contest, which in turn invalidates the perpetual argument thrown out there by BCS proponents (namely, that every regular season game is a playoff of its own)? Don't the SEC honks that railed against an Ohio State-Michigan rematch a half-decade ago recognize their own hypocrisy in these matters?"

Avinash Kunnath

This really just screams of being sore losers. The sec "honks" aren't the ones putting alabama in, it's the bcs system.

[Albert Pujols]

lol...the response of the sec fans. the things i stated as fact in that post are 100% truth, and can be verified with a quick look at team schedules. the parts where i state my opinion are 100% my opinion, which we are all entitled to...and there is no way it can be proven "wrong" unless lsu or bama play one of the teams i spoke of this year.

So your "fact" is Arkansas and Auburn scored more points on LSU than Bama and saying with a straight face that it somehow disqualifies Bama from the title game.

Bottom line is that LSU and Bama are clearly the best two teams and it's not close. And there isn't much separation between the two either. Anyone that can't look at it objectively and agree is either a complete moron or a blind homer.

[sandman0713]

I really don't understand why anyone would even want to see a team that can't beat Iowa state play lsu? I think it's obvious the only team on the same level as lsu is Alabama. We can argue strength of schedule all day but what does it matter when you can't beat a bad team?

Like I said earlier, the only people whos opinions matter think Alabama and lsu are the best 2 teams. Those are the voters. Also, I'm sure this thread will go away if/when Oklahoma state gets rolled by Oklahoma.

of course it will go away if ostate loses to oklahoma...there would be no debate. everything i have put out there is based on the assumption osu wins bedlam...not a given at all. reading back over this thread tho, and reading the articles on the net...a lot of which are from people who do have a vote...it is clear okie state has a stronger case by far. actually read one just now...by a media member with a vote...about how "shocked" he was to find out bama only has three wins over a team with a winning record this season...lol. it is actually very clear when you look at facts. not saying okie state is better than bama...only that they deserve it much more. you can find no fact in any of the bama posts. only 3 bama points made over and over again...
1. ostate lost to iowa state
2. bama lost in ot at home to lsu
3. you're an idiot

there is your case bama fans...so go ahead and spin it however you want. media is waking up tho...and i am really starting to see a win in bedlam meaning ostate in the nc.

[zsr]

of course it will go away if ostate loses to oklahoma...there would be no debate. everything i have put out there is based on the assumption osu wins bedlam...not a given at all. reading back over this thread tho, and reading the articles on the net...a lot of which are from people who do have a vote...it is clear okie state has a stronger case by far. actually read one just now...by a media member with a vote...about how "shocked" he was to find out bama only has one win over a team with a winning record this season...lol. it is actually very clear when you look at facts. not saying okie state is better than bama...only that they deserve it much more. you can find no fact in any of the bama posts. only 3 bama points made over and over again...
1. ostate lost to iowa state
2. bama lost in ot at home to lsu
3. you're an idiot

there is your case bama fans...so go ahead and spin it however you want. media is waking up tho...and i am really starting to see a win in bedlam meaning ostate in the nc.

Are you joking? Your entire point is based off of, "everyone is sec homers"
The entire argument IS that Oklahoma state lost to the worst team in the conference, they would be a shoe in if they won that game. Strength of schedule goes out the window when you get beat by a terrible team, that's a fact. Alabama beat everyone on there schedule besides the best team in the country, you got beat by one of the worst teams in the country. You have no argument. Sorry.

We can argue this all day, Alabama is number 2 in the bcs. Oklahoma state beating a ou team that just got beat by Baylor and lost to Texas tech doesn't do much to help your cause at this point and certainly won't jump you to 2.

[BiffTFinancial]

"What's the point of the Tigers beating the Crimson Tide the first time around if they have to do it again? Doesn't it completely devalue the outcome of the first contest, which in turn invalidates the perpetual argument thrown out there by BCS proponents (namely, that every regular season game is a playoff of its own)? Don't the SEC honks that railed against an Ohio State-Michigan rematch a half-decade ago recognize their own hypocrisy in these matters?" Avinash Kunnath

well, if Avinash Kunnath isn't in favor of a Bama-LSU NCG, i guess i'm swayed...by whomever the fk he is. i'm going to go dig up a tweet from one of my dickhead friends who is excited about Bama-LSU, should carry about as much weight.

it's simple, really. the BCS is designed to put #1 against #2, nothing more. if the two best teams in the nation reside in the same division of a 12-team conference, then this was bound to be the outcome. they were bound to play in the regular season and then again in the NCG. i'm not taking a side here, but to claim that the BCS didn't do its job is silly. if the BCS should be tweaked to include a no-rematch proviso, i could understand that argument (at least from an entertainment perspective) - so long as the person advancing that argument understands that, at least this season, we'd be sacrificing #1 vs #2 so as to avoid a rematch. if you don't like the system, fine, but to claim that any team has clearly proven that it's #2 ahead of Bama is lunacy.

[sandman0713]

well, if Avinash Kunnath isn't in favor of a Bama-LSU NCG, i guess i'm swayed...by whomever the fk he is. i'm going to go dig up a tweet from one of my dickhead friends who is excited about Bama-LSU, should carry about as much weight.

it's simple, really. the BCS is designed to put #1 against #2, nothing more. if the two best teams in the nation reside in the same division of a 12-team conference, then this was bound to be the outcome. they were bound to play in the regular season and then again in the NCG. i'm not taking a side here, but to claim that the BCS didn't do its job is silly. if the BCS should be tweaked to include a no-rematch proviso, i could understand that argument (at least from an entertainment perspective) - so long as the person advancing that argument understands that, at least this season, we'd be sacrificing #1 vs #2 so as to avoid a rematch. if you don't like the system, fine, but to claim that any team has clearly proven that it's #2 ahead of Bama is lunacy.

how can you even argue a team with 3 wins over teams with winning records deserves it so easily? honestly...leave out the fact that people THINK bama is better than the other one loss teams. leave out the fact that bama lost at home to lsu and ostate lost to iowa state. make a case for bama now with FACTS. it can't be done man...there is no comparison. bama has DONE nothing to say they deserve it. honestly please...lay out a case for me FOR bama, not AGAINST ostate. i respect you man as someone who knows what they talk about, and i'm not insulting you. just asking.

[sandman0713]

there is no case to be made for bama, because when you lay out their resume and compare it with ostate...it sucks man. that is why the lashing out by most of these in here with one-liners like "you are a moron"...because that is all they have. not saying bama won't play for it...but making a case for the other side. tried to leave it several times...but i read dumb shit and i have to respond...lol. guess i should just leave it for real since there is no way to win either side of the debate...short of the teams actually all playing. curious to see a case for bama tho.

[BiffTFinancial]

how can you even argue a team with 3 wins over teams with winning records deserves it so easily? honestly...leave out the fact that people THINK bama is better than the other one loss teams. leave out the fact that bama lost at home to lsu and ostate lost to iowa state. make a case for bama now with FACTS. it can't be done man...there is no comparison. bama has DONE nothing to say they deserve it. honestly please...lay out a case for me FOR bama, not AGAINST ostate. i respect you man as someone who knows what they talk about, and i'm not insulting you. just asking.

i'm not insulted and i appreciate the way that you articulate your points. first, understand that i'm not arguing against anyone or for anyone - i'm just pointing out that the BCS is designed to put #1 vs #2, period, and that no one else can argue that they're clearly #2 over Bama. second, unfortunately, i just got hit with something massive at work that has to be done in a couple of hours. i will get back to this thread later tonight, likely when i have Jameson in hand and am enjoying Wisky/UNC game, but your thoughtful questions merit a thoughtful response and the man just put his foot on my neck and said produce, boy. catch up with you later, pal.

[lyon804]

well, if Avinash Kunnath isn't in favor of a Bama-LSU NCG, i guess i'm swayed...by whomever the fk he is. i'm going to go dig up a tweet from one of my dickhead friends who is excited about Bama-LSU, should carry about as much weight.

it's simple, really. the BCS is designed to put #1 against #2, nothing more. if the two best teams in the nation reside in the same division of a 12-team conference, then this was bound to be the outcome. they were bound to play in the regular season and then again in the NCG. i'm not taking a side here, but to claim that the BCS didn't do its job is silly. if the BCS should be tweaked to include a no-rematch proviso, i could understand that argument (at least from an entertainment perspective) - so long as the person advancing that argument understands that, at least this season, we'd be sacrificing #1 vs #2 so as to avoid a rematch. if you don't like the system, fine, but to claim that any team has clearly proven that it's #2 ahead of Bama is lunacy.

This. ^^^^^


The system is not perfect, but imo it is doing exactly what it was intended to do which is to match the best 2 teams in the country and let them play for the NC. Is Alabama vs LSU the funnest or most exciting matchup to the average fan? Probably not and I can see why because they don't play an exciting brand of football, they just win championships playing against the Big 12 and Big 10. Unfortuntaly neither the big 12 made it this year because Okie St rather try to outscore all of their opponents in a race to see who can get 60+pts on the board first. That strategy works fine against other NO defenses and as long as your QB and or reciever's don't have a bad game you win, but when they do you have an Iowa st game.


Take Alabama and LSU for example.. Neither team is dependent on the QB to win the game for them. Alabama played horrible football against LSU and still had a chance to win because of DEFENSE.


DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE That's what it boils down to. It may not be pretty, but those teams that do it the best win championships year after year and more times than not they come fromt he SEC.


But, sandman has done figured out it was those SEC biased homers that cause this, AP, BCS, NFL, and whenever the best of the big 12, big 10, or pac 12 play the best of the sec they LOSE. I guess that is just biased coincidence????

[zsr]

how can you even argue a team with 3 wins over teams with winning records deserves it so easily? honestly...leave out the fact that people THINK bama is better than the other one loss teams. leave out the fact that bama lost at home to lsu and ostate lost to iowa state. make a case for bama now with FACTS. it can't be done man...there is no comparison. bama has DONE nothing to say they deserve it. honestly please...lay out a case for me FOR bama, not AGAINST ostate. i respect you man as someone who knows what they talk about, and i'm not insulting you. just asking.

Why would you leave out Oklahoma state losing to Iowa state? That alone is the single reason they'll be left out. They beat more ranked teams than Alabama, yes. They beat more teams with winning records, yes. But Alabama beat Arkansas, who is ranked higher than anyone Oklahoma state played.

Think about this, Alabama loses to kentucky or ole miss, and that's there one loss. Oklahoma state loses to lsu, who is number 1. I'd be willing to bet you would be in uproar if Alabama got in when they lost to the worst team in the conference and you lost to number 1. You don't have to admit it, but you would be right here arguing Oklahoma state should get in.

[sandman0713]

This. ^^^^^


The system is not perfect, but imo it is doing exactly what it was intended to do which is to match the best 2 teams in the country and let them play for the NC. Is Alabama vs LSU the funnest or most exciting matchup to the average fan? Probably not and I can see why because they don't play an exciting brand of football, they just win championships playing against the Big 12 and Big 10. Unfortuntaly neither the big 12 made it this year because Okie St rather try to outscore all of their opponents in a race to see who can get 60+pts on the board first. That strategy works fine against other NO defenses and as long as your QB and or reciever's don't have a bad game you win, but when they do you have an Iowa st game.


Take Alabama and LSU for example.. Neither team is dependent on the QB to win the game for them. Alabama played horrible football against LSU and still had a chance to win because of DEFENSE.


DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE That's what it boils down to. It may not be pretty, but those teams that do it the best win championships year after year and more times than not they come fromt he SEC.


But, sandman has done figured out it was those SEC biased homers that cause this, AP, BCS, NFL, and whenever the best of the big 12, big 10, or pac 12 play the best of the sec they LOSE. I guess that is just biased coincidence????

let me ask you this man...will those voters still be so wise if ostate jumps bama? it may actually happen now if ostate were to beat ou in bedlam...regardless of what you think. the cry of "unfair" is starting to go out like it has in the past...and i will be shocked not to see ostate in there if they beat ou. the sec and big 12 are the 2 best conferences in ncaa football...and it depends on who you talk to as to who is best. point is that if the CHAMPION of the big 12 has the same record as the 2nd or 3rd best team in the sec, and the said sec team has already LOST AT HOME to the sec champ...there is no debate as to who should play for the title. IF ostate wins bedlam they deserve the nc...anything else is bogus and really too stupid to even have all this debate over.

[lyon804]

let me ask you this man...will those voters still be so wise if ostate jumps bama? it may actually happen now if ostate were to beat ou in bedlam...regardless of what you think. the cry of "unfair" is starting to go out like it has in the past...and i will be shocked not to see ostate in there if they beat ou. the sec and big 12 are the 2 best conferences in ncaa football...and it depends on who you talk to as to who is best. point is that if the CHAMPION of the big 12 has the same record as the 2nd or 3rd best team in the sec, and the said sec team has already LOST AT HOME to the sec champ...there is no debate as to who should play for the title. IF ostate wins bedlam they deserve the nc...anything else is bogus and really too stupid to even have all this debate over.

That is your bias because you are a okie state fan. The real team that had an Argument imo was Oregon until USC beat them. Oregon or USC would be okie St.

There is a human element to the voting which makes up the BCS. That being said if okie st really handled business and thrashed Oklahoma I would say they have a slight argument. But if they win it will be most likely a 38-31 type game and that is not impresive considering Texas Tech and Baylor already have won by similar scores over overrated every fuc$king year OKLAHOMA. Okie state needs to win 38-7 type game imo to jump Alabama.


Like the above poster mentioned if the shoe was on the other foot and Alabama had lost to Kentucky on the road as a 4 td favorite and Okie St only loss was OT FG loss to the #1 team in the nation. Wouldn't you be thinking OK St deserved it over bama?? Of course you would.

[lyon804]

Sandman, we can go on and on about this. I wish okie st would have beaten Iowa St and there would be no argument and I could pound LSU -7 against them in NC game. I feel confident LSU will take care of Alabama again in the NC but the LSU people know Alabama is the only team in America that could beat them. LSU would gang rape ok st for shits n giggles and the okie st program would be eposed. Hell I was actually praying that Alabama would get matched up with Boise St in the Sugar bowl to expose them and not the NC. Had Boise remained undefeated and Oki not lost I think that would have been a matchup, guess Boise get another reprieve.

[sandman0713]

That is your bias because you are a okie state fan. The real team that had an Argument imo was Oregon until USC beat them. Oregon or USC would be okie St.

There is a human element to the voting which makes up the BCS. That being said if okie st really handled business and thrashed Oklahoma I would say they have a slight argument. But if they win it will be most likely a 38-31 type game and that is not impresive considering Texas Tech and Baylor already have won by similar scores over overrated every fuc$king year OKLAHOMA. Okie state needs to win 38-7 type game imo to jump Alabama.


Like the above poster mentioned if the shoe was on the other foot and Alabama had lost to Kentucky on the road as a 4 td favorite and Okie St only loss was OT FG loss to the #1 team in the nation. Wouldn't you be thinking OK St deserved it over bama?? Of course you would.

i can't go on man. if you look over all my posts in this thread you will see my reasons for feeling the way i do. i lay it out with facts...and some of my opinions. i would never state my opinion as a fact tho. then some clown will come in with a 1 or 2 line post calling me an idiot or a moron...when i have actually presented more facts and made a better case for ostate than just about anyone ever could. it is ******* pointless man. i will actually look foward to reading the post of biti, as i respect his opinion here based on his past postings. other than that there is really no point in carrying this out any longer. i will say this...there is a very valid case to be made for ostate. the people calling anyone who says so an idiot or a moron are actually the idiots and morons. anyone who can read can see it. is it better than bama's case?...that is for each person to decide, based on what they feel is important. or in this case, based on who your fav team is i guess...lol. point is...ostate fans do have a right to be angry at the system, and they do have a right to state their case without being called an idiot. like i said tho man...i just can't go on any longer...lol. this thread got me heated and kept me coming back to post over and over...so props to the dude who started it i guess...lol. later man.