Oklahoma State FREEZE-OUT - USA Coaches Poll

[itchypickle]

Sandman, we can go on and on about this. I wish okie st would have beaten Iowa St and there would be no argument and I could pound LSU -7 against them in NC game. I feel confident LSU will take care of Alabama again in the NC but the LSU people know Alabama is the only team in America that could beat them. LSU would gang rape ok st for shits n giggles and the okie st program would be eposed. Hell I was actually praying that Alabama would get matched up with Boise St in the Sugar bowl to expose them and not the NC. Had Boise remained undefeated and Oki not lost I think that would have been a matchup, guess Boise get another reprieve.

What happens if OU wins Bedlam? Will the then TWO loss Cowboys fans let it rest? It's not a given that State wins it.....hurts not having Broyles but I still think the Sooners can get it done.

[qsilver335]

Oklahoma St. is not one of the two best teams in the country, period. They don't deserve to play for a national title....What will be funny though is if Georgia winds up being the SEC champ while Alabama and LSU play for the national title.

[lyon804]

What happens if OU wins Bedlam? Will the then TWO loss Cowboys fans let it rest? It's not a given that State wins it.....hurts not having Broyles but I still think the Sooners can get it done.

Nothing happens, crickets then. I guess a few wines will go out to VT and maybe some to Boise and Houston perhaps Stanford but could you imagine ANY of those poor teams having to get ass raped by LSU?

[sandman0713]

What happens if OU wins Bedlam? Will the then TWO loss Cowboys fans let it rest? It's not a given that State wins it.....hurts not having Broyles but I still think the Sooners can get it done.

of course the ostate fans would have to let it go if we lost bedlam...and i have never said that was a given. ou is more than capable of ending the debate. my entire point was based on ostate being big 12 champs man. but then you have to hear it from va tech fans and houston fans...lol...tho it won't be me talking with you. some other moron.

[zsr]

Lol your just delusional. Your ignoring the obvious and saying to ignore ok state losing to the worst team in the conference. I know it sucks to be a big homer and get this far and lose to a d-2 level team, but there not getting in. I don't know why you can't see that. Like I said previously and of course you ignored because it's true, you would be raging if alabama got in after losing to Kentucky or ole miss.

[zsr]

This thread has turned into a big joke. The ok state homer saying everyone in the world is an sec homer and that's the only reason ok state will be left out, saying ignore the loss to the worst team in the conference. He actually started off coming off as a quality poster, now it's just going on sad sore loser status. Give it up, man.

[lyon804]

This thread has turned into a big joke. The ok state homer saying everyone in the world is an sec homer and that's the only reason ok state will be left out, saying ignore the loss to the worst team in the conference. He actually started off coming off as a quality poster, now it's just going on sad sore loser status. Give it up, man.

Right, and if I could I would change it all for him so he could see what we know. I wish OK St could play against LSU and that would quite them down and the big 12 a few more years. I would take Bama out of the NC game if it meant playing Boise St in the Sugar Bowl. These people need to know that these teams are posers. Hell, now we have to here about poor fuking Houston, which is really a joke.

[itchypickle]

Right, and if I could I would change it all for him so he could see what we know. I wish OK St could play against LSU and that would quite them down and the big 12 a few more years. I would take Bama out of the NC game if it meant playing Boise St in the Sugar Bowl. These people need to know that these teams are posers. Hell, now we have to here about poor fuking Houston, which is really a joke.

Houston, as said previously, is the Hawaii of a few years ago when they got humiliated by Georgia. Another one of those gimmick pass systems where you line up 5 wide and throw slants and bubble screens 38-45 times a game and move between the 20's against, then the WAC defenses and now the Pac12 (Oregon) and Big12 (OK St).

[lyon804]

Houston, as said previously, is the Hawaii of a few years ago when they got humiliated by Georgia. Another one of those gimmick pass systems where you line up 5 wide and throw slants and bubble screens 38-45 times a game and move between the 20's against, then the WAC defenses and now the Pac12 (Oregon) and Big12 (OK St).

agreed, exactly.

[sandman0713]

This thread has turned into a big joke. The ok state homer saying everyone in the world is an sec homer and that's the only reason ok state will be left out, saying ignore the loss to the worst team in the conference. He actually started off coming off as a quality poster, now it's just going on sad sore loser status. Give it up, man.

screw it

[BiffTFinancial]

how can you even argue a team with 3 wins over teams with winning records deserves it so easily? honestly...leave out the fact that people THINK bama is better than the other one loss teams. leave out the fact that bama lost at home to lsu and ostate lost to iowa state. make a case for bama now with FACTS. it can't be done man...there is no comparison. bama has DONE nothing to say they deserve it. honestly please...lay out a case for me FOR bama, not AGAINST ostate. i respect you man as someone who knows what they talk about, and i'm not insulting you. just asking.

okay, i will lay out Bama's case, but we have to be honest, you don't make the case for any team in a vacuum, it's all relative to the other teams. at the outset, i will say that if Okie State beats OU handily, this season become a good argument for some sort of optional plus-one playoff (i'd never agree to anything bigger than 4 teams). most seasons (Oregon/Auburn, Texas/Bama) we can feel confident that we're seeing #1 vs #2, so the BCS does it's job and even a plus-one is unnecessary. we have to work with the system we have, which i think is good. and if Okie State blows out OU in epic fashion and jumps Bama, you won't hear my bitching. i don't have a dog in this fight.

Bama vs Okie State. you cite a lot of info about wins, but as others have already said, this is really all about losses. [even if it's about wins, Arky and Penn State look as good to me as Baylor and K State, and those are the best wins for each team] at this point, we're dissecting top teams. sometimes then won closer when they were flat or caught a live dog, other times blow-outs, mostly the latter. the difference is the loss:

Bama lost vs acknowledged #1 in the country on a FG in OT, Okie State lost in Ames as a huge fave - AMES

at their worst, Bama was better than Okie State at their worst. we hope for each team's best in the NCG, but we know that there's a chance that one will lay an egg, so it makes sense to consider losses as much as wins if not more. Bama passes the eye test for sure, too, one of the best defenses and best coaches of our time. bottom line, no one can lay a claim to #2 that's clearly superior to Bama's unless maybe Okie State demolishes OU and adds a huge win to their card. #1 vs #2 is the idea. if both happen to be in the same division, the system apparently still puts them together in the NCG. in my mind, that's a success not a failure.

that said, i'd love to seek Okie State put on a game for the ages to make their claim, it would only make this more entertaining. if they jump Bama based on such a game, so much the better. BOL to you Saturday.

[sandman0713]

okay, i will lay out Bama's case, but we have to be honest, you don't make the case for any team in a vacuum, it's all relative to the other teams. at the outset, i will say that if Okie State beats OU handily, this season become a good argument for some sort of optional plus-one playoff (i'd never agree to anything bigger than 4 teams). most seasons (Oregon/Auburn, Texas/Bama) we can feel confident that we're seeing #1 vs #2, so the BCS does it's job and even a plus-one is unnecessary. we have to work with the system we have, which i think is good. and if Okie State blows out OU in epic fashion and jumps Bama, you won't hear my bitching. i don't have a dog in this fight.

Bama vs Okie State. you cite a lot of info about wins, but as others have already said, this is really all about losses. [even if it's about wins, Arky and Penn State look as good to me as Baylor and K State, and those are the best wins for each team] at this point, we're dissecting top teams. sometimes then won closer when they were flat or caught a live dog, other times blow-outs, mostly the latter. the difference is the loss:

Bama lost vs acknowledged #1 in the country on a FG in OT, Okie State lost in Ames as a huge fave - AMES

at their worst, Bama was better than Okie State at their worst. we hope for each team's best in the NCG, but we know that there's a chance that one will lay an egg, so it makes sense to consider losses as much as wins if not more. Bama passes the eye test for sure, too, one of the best defenses and best coaches of our time. bottom line, no one can lay a claim to #2 that's clearly superior to Bama's unless maybe Okie State demolishes OU and adds a huge win to their card. #1 vs #2 is the idea. if both happen to be in the same division, the system apparently still puts them together in the NCG. in my mind, that's a success not a failure.

that said, i'd love to seek Okie State put on a game for the ages to make their claim, it would only make this more entertaining. if they jump Bama based on such a game, so much the better. BOL to you Saturday.

system is what it is...i know. there is actually no way to decide fairly tho which one of several teams with the same record should play where. don't know if you read about this kind of stuff, but this article i just read made me sick. not because ostate won't be in the nc likely if we beat ou...that i can handle. makes me sick about the entire state of college football, and what we can expect going foward. check it out...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=ApkbTT_WCRBdP7cBSsY635kcvrYF?slug=dw-wetzel_football_hostage_illegitimate_bcs_112911

[Albert Pujols]

let me ask you this man...will those voters still be so wise if ostate jumps bama? it may actually happen now if ostate were to beat ou in bedlam...regardless of what you think. the cry of "unfair" is starting to go out like it has in the past...and i will be shocked not to see ostate in there if they beat ou. the sec and big 12 are the 2 best conferences in ncaa football...and it depends on who you talk to as to who is best. point is that if the CHAMPION of the big 12 has the same record as the 2nd or 3rd best team in the sec, and the said sec team has already LOST AT HOME to the sec champ...there is no debate as to who should play for the title. IF ostate wins bedlam they deserve the nc...anything else is bogus and really too stupid to even have all this debate over.

LMAO. This homer says he'd be shocked if something that's impossible to happen doesn't happen.

[zsr]

LMAO. This homer says he'd be shocked if something that's impossible to happen doesn't happen.

I really just dont think he gets it. Im a homer for my teams too, but man, i'd never be this bad. It seems like he's looking for people to blame, the bcs, random posters on a forum, alabama, etc. All while ignoring Oklahoma state lost to the worst team in the big 12, and only have themselves to blame.

[Albert Pujols]

I really just dont think he gets it. Im a homer for my teams too, but man, i'd never be this bad. It really seems like he's looking for people to blame, the bcs, random posters on a forum, alabama, etc. All while ignoring Oklahoma state lost to the worst team in the big 12, and only have themselves to blame.

He's trying talk himself into believing because he doesn't want to accept that he paid big bucks for tickets to the exhibition game on Saturday.

[Sam Odom]

Who else wants OU to beat the crap out of OState just because of sandman ?

Raise your thumb

[Duke Fan]

I have read this for two days and know I will get ripped a new one for what I say. IF,Oklahoma St faces LSU, Gundy and Weeden will look just as lost they did at Iowa St and lose by 21 or more.

I was in Tuscaloosa for game 1. Hope to be at game 2. IF, we have the rematch, Bama wins by 10+. Jordan Jefferson will not run the option with the success he had in game :-1. Bama will not be kicking field goals, it will be touchdowns.

I dont like the system either, but if you are matching the two best teams, end of discussion.

IF OSU wins by 17-21, the selection show Sunday will be very interesting.

[Albert Pujols]

Who else wants OU to beat the crap out of OState just because of sandman ?

Raise your thumb

Me. And solely because of this clown.

[Duke Fan]

I really just dont think he gets it. Im a homer for my teams too, but man, i'd never be this bad. It seems like he's looking for people to blame, the bcs, random posters on a forum, alabama, etc. All while ignoring Oklahoma state lost to the worst team in the big 12, and only have themselves to blame.

Cut him a little slack. Iowa State is not the worst team in the Big 12. That honor would fall to the team formerly coached by Turner Gill- Kansas.

[sandman0713]

Who else wants OU to beat the crap out of OState just because of sandman ?

Raise your thumb

why?...because i pointed out you only have 3 wins against teams with winning records, and even houston has more of a claim to the nc game than the 3rd best team in the sec does? honestly man...i won't even be in a bad mood if we lose that game. our boys will go out and do their best...and if they lose, so be it. i will take some crap from friends\family who are sooners...but that is as far as it goes. i mean you guys have a guy saying something like "okie state had a few women's coaches fall out of the sky and got their poor feelings hurt"...or talking about teams being "ass-raped" with all that is going on right now. several of the people in here can't spell, or even put together posts that make sense. i am really going to be concerned with what they say if ostate loses saturday?...no. i don't even wish bad on bama, or anyone who has posted here. i understand that when you have no facts or solid reasoning to back up something you believe so strongly, people will often turn to insults and hate. i know you guys are sorry deep down for some of the hateful and stupid things you have said...so i will just accept that as an apology and move on. gl this weekend guys.

[zsr]

Dont put everyone together into one group here, there was one inconsiderate guy who said that about the women's coaches. I said multiple times in this thread that it was a tradegy, that was a terrible thing to say by the guy who said that and quite frankly im not sure how anyone could say that. My prayers go out to you guys.

My point is simple and you know its true, you dont have a foot to stand on because you lost to iowa state. Your just passionate about this because your a homer, you would be right here arguing for ok state if this situation was reversed. You continue to talk about strength of schedule, but continue to fail to mention that you lost to an atrocious team and thats why your left out. Your looking for someone to blame, its not random people on a forum, its not the system, its not alabama or lsu, its your own football team for not winning a game you should of won. I dont know why you cant see that. Im done trying to get through to you, you just dont understand. GL this weekend vs OU.

[sandman0713]

Dont put everyone together into one group here, there was one inconsiderate guy who said that about the women's coaches. I said multiple times in this thread that it was a tradegy, that was a terrible thing to say by the guy who said that and quite frankly im not sure how anyone could say that. My prayers go out to you guys.

My point is simple and you know its true, you dont have a foot to stand on because you lost to iowa state. Your just passionate about this because your a homer, you would be right here arguing for ok state if this situation was reversed. You continue to talk about strength of schedule, but continue to fail to mention that you lost to an atrocious team and thats why your left out. Your looking for someone to blame, its not random people on a forum, its not the system, its not alabama or lsu, its your own football team for not winning a game you should of won. I dont know why you cant see that. Im done trying to get through to you, you just dont understand. GL this weekend vs OU.

i don't group everyone man. my best friend from childhood is stationed in bama, and he is bama all the way. we can't talk to each other anymore until after bedlam and after it is decided who will play in the nc...lol. if me and that guy can't just agree to disagree, there is no way any of us are ever going to agree on ANYTHING in this thread. i have several really good friends who are bigtime bama as well. i went to basic training and advanced training there at fort mcclellan, and i made me some bama friends. i will likely be rooting for bama in the nc along with my friends, tho there will always be a sore spot there if we win bedlam. not trying to force anything on anyone here. i honestly couldn't give 2 shits what anyone here thinks of me or oklahoma state. this is just a sounding board usually for me where i talk out my thoughts on the teams i will bet each week, gather a little info here and there, and post what i end up betting in my thread. just got caught up in a debate about something i care greatly about...oklahoma state. anyways...whatever. gl to you man.

[zsr]

Ah i gotcha, i just didnt want you to think we all think of the OK state tragedy like that..Like i said prayers are with you guys. Good luck in bedlam, and with whatever comes after that. Sorry things got heated in here.

[lyon804]

I apologized for what I posted and agree it was uncalled for. What else do you want me to do? I went over board because of the excuse the players were grief stricken and did not perform up to their best abilities. I did not agree with that and went over board stating my case.

[The Seer]

the sec and big 12 are the 2 best conferences in ncaa football...and it depends on who you talk to as to who is best.

It would have to be someone deaf, dumb, and blind or maybe delusional like a fan of a Big 12 team

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Let me put this in perspective:

Since 1998 when the BCS was created, the SEC is 15-6 in BCS games. The Big 12 is 7-11.
LSU is 4-0 in BCS games. OK St has never played in one.
Since 2006 when the BCS National Championship Game was created, SEC teams have won every single one of them going 5-0 and the Big 12 is 0-2 in those.
if you include pre 2006, In BCS games which decided the National Championship, the SEC is 7-0 and the Big 12 is 2-5.
In the BCS era (since '98), the SEC is 19-8 vs The BIg 12 in ALL HEAD to HEAD BOWL MATCHUPS. to break that down further by bowl season(SEC never had a losing record in bowls vs Big 12 in any of these seasons): '98 1-1, '99 2-1, '00 1-1, '01 1-1, '02 1-1, '03 3-0, '04 1-0, '05 1-1, '06 1-1, '07 1-1, '08 2-0, '09 3-0, '10 1-0. It gets worse the more recent as the SEC is currently 6-o vs the Big 12 in the last 3 years.
The Cotton Bowl has had a SEC vs Big 12 match up every year since 1999. The SEC has a winning record at 8-5 in those games held in Big 12 territory.

These results do not lie. The big 12 is an inferior conference. Oklahoma State should hope they don't make it to the NC because there would be almost no chance they could win that game. Ok ST's offense looks explosive vs typical soft Big 12 defenses but will be shut down vs a top defense.

[sandman0713]

It would have to be someone deaf, dumb, and blind or maybe delusional like a fan of a Big 12 team

.
Let me put this in perspective:

Since 1998 when the BCS was created, the SEC is 15-6 in BCS games. The Big 12 is 7-11.
LSU is 4-0 in BCS games. OK St has never played in one.
Since 2006 when the BCS National Championship Game was created, SEC teams have won every single one of them going 5-0 and the Big 12 is 0-2 in those.
if you include pre 2006, In BCS games which decided the National Championship, the SEC is 7-0 and the Big 12 is 2-5.
In the BCS era (since '98), the SEC is 19-8 vs The BIg 12 in ALL HEAD to HEAD BOWL MATCHUPS. to break that down further by bowl season(SEC never had a losing record in bowls vs Big 12 in any of these seasons): '98 1-1, '99 2-1, '00 1-1, '01 1-1, '02 1-1, '03 3-0, '04 1-0, '05 1-1, '06 1-1, '07 1-1, '08 2-0, '09 3-0, '10 1-0. It gets worse the more recent as the SEC is currently 6-o vs the Big 12 in the last 3 years.
The Cotton Bowl has had a SEC vs Big 12 match up every year since 1999. The SEC has a winning record at 8-5 in those games held in Big 12 territory.

These results do not lie. The big 12 is an inferior conference. Oklahoma State should hope they don't make it to the NC because there would be almost no chance they could win that game. Ok ST's offense looks explosive vs typical soft Big 12 defenses but will be shut down vs a top defense.

this is almost too dumb to argue man. the big 12 is as good as or better than the sec this season. has nothing at all to do with what happened in '96, or any other year before this year. many members of the media, and the computers putting your team in the nc agree as well. hasn't been in past years, and it won't be next year with mizzou and a+m headed your way...but it is 100% this year. there is really no debate there, and i won't waste another post on it man.

[lyon804]

this is almost too dumb to argue man. the big 12 is as good as or better than the sec this season. has nothing at all to do with what happened in '96, or any other year before this year. many members of the media, and the computers putting your team in the nc agree as well. hasn't been in past years, and it won't be next year with mizzou and a+m headed your way...but it is 100% this year. there is really no debate there, and i won't waste another post on it man.

Did you not read those stats? What part of that did you not get? Or did you just brush it aside because it does not go with your beleifs and wants??

[The Seer]

this is almost too dumb to argue man. the big 12 is as good as or better than the sec this season. has nothing at all to do with what happened in '96, or any other year before this year. many members of the media, and the computers putting your team in the nc agree as well. hasn't been in past years, and it won't be next year with mizzou and a+m headed your way...but it is 100% this year. there is really no debate there, and i won't waste another post on it man.

So does the 6-0 record SEC has vs Big 12 the last 3 bowl seasons mean anything or are you really in denial that bad?Is that recent enough?

[Romocide]

The more times I watch the "missed" fg at the end of regulation in the OSU/Iowa St, the more I'm convinced OSU got screwed big time. It's bugged me since the first time I saw it. That kick was good. Anyone else that has seen it have an opinion?

[Romocide]

So does the 6-0 record SEC has vs Big 12 the last 3 bowl seasons mean anything or are you really in denial that bad?Is that recent enough?

He made it perfectly clear in his post that he was talking about this season only.

[sandman0713]

I apologized for what I posted and agree it was uncalled for. What else do you want me to do? I went over board because of the excuse the players were grief stricken and did not perform up to their best abilities. I did not agree with that and went over board stating my case.

i never used that as an excuse man. we lost a game to an inferior team on the road, after leading by 17. many feel that game should not have been played, and some feel it may have had something to do with the loss. i am not one of those people man. we got up by 17 and just quit playing, thinking there was no way iowa state could beat us. we still had an easy kick to win...but missed. we got beat by a team we should never lose to...and there is no excuse for it. i just don't see the need for everyone to keep quoting my posts and trying to drag me back into a fight. my posts have all included facts that can be easily verified by looking at a schedule and a few stat's...not like i am making any of it up. it is my opinion, and it dam sure won't change based on what a few in an online forum have to say. the people calling "idiot" and making all these bold claims based in nothing but bs and opinion make bama fans look bad. you guys may feel you are 1000% better than all the other teams, and you may be right...but have some ******* class man. there are some really sorry people in here man who can't think of anything other than "you're an idiot" as a response to anyone who doesn't agree with them. if ostate had "no case" it would not be all over the ******* net and the sports shows and every forum on the web...we don't have that many fans. you see it another way, and i respect that man. doesn't make me an idiot for posting my opinion.

[sandman0713]

The more times I watch the "missed" fg at the end of regulation in the OSU/Iowa St, the more I'm convinced OSU got screwed big time. It's bugged me since the first time I saw it. That kick was good. Anyone else that has seen it have an opinion?

it went directly over the post. don't know what the rule on that is, but it doesn't matter. should never have came to that. lose a 17 point lead to a bottom-feeder, you should lose the game.

[lyon804]

i never used that as an excuse man. we lost a game to an inferior team on the road, after leading by 17. many feel that game should not have been played, and some feel it may have had something to do with the loss. i am not one of those people man. we got up by 17 and just quit playing, thinking there was no way iowa state could beat us. we still had an easy kick to win...but missed. we got beat by a team we should never lose to...and there is no excuse for it. i just don't see the need for everyone to keep quoting my posts and trying to drag me back into a fight. my posts have all included facts that can be easily verified by looking at a schedule and a few stat's...not like i am making any of it up. it is my opinion, and it dam sure won't change based on what a few in an online forum have to say. the people calling "idiot" and making all these bold claims based in nothing but bs and opinion make bama fans look bad. you guys may feel you are 1000% better than all the other teams, and you may be right...but have some ******* class man. there are some really sorry people in here man who can't think of anything other than "you're an idiot" as a response to anyone who doesn't agree with them. if ostate had "no case" it would not be all over the ******* net and the sports shows and every forum on the web...we don't have that many fans. you see it another way, and i respect that man. doesn't make me an idiot for posting my opinion.

Let's agree to disagree. Again, I admitted I was wrong for what I said in regards to the loss of life of two Okl St basketball coaches... But at NO time did I ever call you idiot or ANY other name for that manner.

[zsr]

I will say that I think it would be an interesting game if ok state somehow got in, the spread offense usually doesn't fare well against NFL caliber talent, and obviously lsu's defense is loaded with NFL talent. Would be interesting to see if they could move the ball at all. The combo of Blackmon and weeden is better than these type of offenses we've seen in the past.

[sandman0713]

let's just let it go guys. i tried to opt out with some class...so why the need to keep quoting my posts and calling me out? we don't agree...we will never agree...but i never called any of you childish names because you didn't agree with me. only posted my opinions, with stat's to back it up, in a forum designed for exactly that kind of thing. you guys have to know this is gonna be wrapped in scandal according to many, and it will get much worse if ostate wins bedlam. if you win the nc game there will be BUNCHES of people bashing bama and saying you don't deserve it because lsu beat you at home. i won't be one of those...but that is the way it's gonna be. you gotta think of something more than "you're an idiot", or just let it go and ignore it. btw...the sec thing is not a bash. there are several traditional powers who are down this year...but are the kind of schools who don't stay there. 80% of the big 12 have been in the top 25 at some point this year, and there is really no way to argue it is not at least as good as the sec this year. before...no. next year...no. this year...yes.