Sure did get quiet once he played out his season....11 TD 10Ints so far passing...7 rushing TDs 5 Fumbles (2 lost) and an overall rating in the low 80% range......hardly MVP numbers to go with the hype. 
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I hope you understand that a rookie QB on pace for 4000+ yards with an 84 passer rating is the equivalent of a veteran QB having a 100+ QB
he will be awesome within 2-3 yearsComment -
He caught everyone off gaurd with stellar play to start the season...now he is playing more like everyone anticipated...all in all a much better season than I speculated...Comment -
2-6Comment -
5-4 ATS, clean cut, winning attitude. Need some defense.Comment -
At the end of the day one thing and only one thing matters...did you win or lose??? Tebow has been one of the most valuable qb's over the last few games of any NFL qb because of one stat...WINS...Originally posted by brahmabull117Comment -
Tebow's defense holds the opposition to about 10 points in addition to getting turnovers. Panthers defense usually holds the opposition to about 30 pointsOriginally posted by Djstucky
you understand football is a team game right???Comment -
Yeah I understand it's a team game but maybe you should tell cam a TEAM game doesn't mean making sure your own defensive team gets plenty of playing time...you do realize the defense doesn't play on the field in the offense has the ball right???Originally posted by brahmabull117Comment -
Newton will be in the Superbowl in a few more yearsComment -
Dj -Cam puts points on the board and also makes rookie mistakes. Its not like we are anemic like last years team, who managed to score 10 points all year. Huge upgrade over Jake or Matt Moore imo, who were only asked to throw the ball maybe one time every 4 downs and try to manage the clock. John Fox is very conservative and it suits Tebow in Denver but I personally got tired of his play calling 3 years ago. Im glad he's gone and I'll happily take a gunslinger with wheels over Tecmo Bowl sweep rights with an interception on 3rd down.Comment -
Cam is the future.Comment -
It's like Keenum in Houston in college etc....if you throw 36-45 times a game sure you'll put up yardage...but at end of the day...you throw 10 picks to your 11 Tds....equalizer....and in the NFL this won't win out long term. Look at Dalton in Cincy and those type teams....need to be more than one dimensional. In a Division vs Matt Ryan and Drew in N.O. Carolina is far from a Super Bowl threat.Originally posted by brahmabull117Comment -
Fair enough...Originally posted by Ra77erComment -
Itchy my brother, he's a rookie....We'll see in a couple of years.Comment -
actually, not true, usually about ten a week about him , your lost kidComment -
Hey there's a Jew on your Avatar!Originally posted by King Mayan
Yeah I know he's a rookie but what we see now is his game as it will stay....remember the other 'hybrid' QBs over years....Vick being the main one. They can't simply turn into a pocket passer and great reader of defenses like a Manning or whoever. I mean look at Favre...guy was a real unorthadox threat....he could scramble and throw at same time...great pocket presence when things broke down....Big Ben in Pitt being able to extend plays like he does etc.
I can see Cam being used in certain packages...same as Tebow....but to base an entire system around their style just won't work here I don't think. There is a reason why Dixon hasn't done anything out of Oregon, Pryor in Oakland still being passed over...we all know Byron Leftwich and Garrard in Jax legacy etc. Cam is the same with a few more elite intangibles but he will not get to a Super Bowl or even sniff it in my opinion as a QB.Comment -
Vick wasnt nearly in the same league as a rookie as a passer like Cam is. Cam can throw the football and he can make plays with his legs, which is unlike Vick as a baby outta VT. Offseason shortened by a lockout, combined with some brutal early season linebacker injuries has forced the panthers to score as many as possible to stay competitve. Todays game is a classic example. Panther D will allow the lions back in and Cam will be forced to contiunally make plays.Comment -
Being that your an Alabama fan it makes sense though. I saw the E:60 piece and that is a lotta hate in one state. I respect the loyalties and the Rivalry, and I'm sure Alabama fans want Cam to die a horrible death. Unfortunately he is a pretty good athlete and has done well beyond mosts expectations.Comment -
Originally posted by Djstucky
I don't get what you're talking about here
Carolina and Cinci average the same time of possession - http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...sion-net-of-ot
the difference is that the bengals have a great defense and the panthers defense is atrociousComment -
your argument supports simply time of possession which doesn't indicate where on the field the turnovers occurred nor at what time of the game...these are HUGE factors...let me just save us both time because there are supporting stats to favor whatever side we each want to debate for or against...we simply just don't agree here...it's that simple...Originally posted by brahmabull117Comment -
Originally posted by Djstucky
stop trying to wiggle your way out
there's nothing hard or confusing about this argument - http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te...sition/defense
Cincinatti defense - #5 in the league in points allowed
Carolina defense - #30 in the league in points allowedComment -
I won't lie, it makes it easier to knock on himOriginally posted by Ra77er
but I'd do the same if he was from any other school. I'm not saying McElroy or Brodie Croyle would be better being from Bama...just saying in the NFL it won't pan out....he's a great athlete no doubt....a special player but just not a QB.
He's another polarizing personality like Tebow and Manning or Brady....and as much as I can't stand Peyton, at least he's a good sport about things....Cam is a cocky SOB for someone who hasn't won anything on this level yet....sure he's got the Heisman and BCS from college but so does Ingram with the Saints but you don't see him being an asshole on the field and off....and look at Julio in Atlanta vs Fairly etc....totally opposite personalities that come out of the two programs every year
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You are using defensive stats to justify why cams turnover prone...not trying to wiggle out of anything...just don't feel like hanging out in left field with ya bro...Originally posted by brahmabull117Comment -
I'd agree IP with mostly everything you have said. Cam is trying to bring some swagger to the Panthers which is something we haven't had since maybe Rae Carruth was shooting up his girlfriend. I can understand people's distaste for a flashy persona.Comment -
what do you expect from rookies coming to team who just had 1st overall pick??? what did the Colts do in 1998? 3-13 rookie Manning season, just 1 season later they went 13-3. its about what people see in a QB and their ability to improve and get better season by season as does the team around him.Comment
