Police Mace Peaceful Students in Socialist America

[excel]

http://youtu.be/OwEZf2uUQuM

rest of original video... protesters chase cops away...embed isn't working for me

[ACoochy]

http://youtu.be/OwEZf2uUQuM rest of original video... protesters chase cops away...embed isn't working for me

Who do u serve, who do u protect Cops couldnt do anything besides stand down that wouldve resulted in less donut shop patronage around the area

[robzilla]

So they are purposely breaking laws, which will end in punishment of some kind, and then everyone will hate the law enforcers; what has that proven? The punishment for their actions is just for that law broken. But just because they are punished for that action doesn't have anything to do with their movement or changes they desire. Which is why movements like these burst in to flame but then die out with time. If their decisions on WHERE to protest (not just some random pathway at UCD) and what to protest were directed towards the change they wanted, then more people would understand and the chance of change would be greater. If a group of ppl wanted their team to not sign Barry Zito for 20 million a year for 7 years, they should be in front of the stadium and even the GMs house protesting; they shouldn't be protesting on some random lawn.

Look up civil disobediance. I think Ghandi thought of it, when they were protesting colonialism.

We arent talking about a building or a person. We are talking about the whole way our system is designed. why does it matter where the location of the protest is?

[itchypickle]

I think we can all agree that world peace would be nice. But his over generalization of southerners as well as the Lutheran/Catholic analogy when saying human nature is nonexistent...only parenting....is a bit off in my view. Human nature IS a major factor....thoughout history....whether we use paper currency or natural resources....and economy has to have levels...not everyone will be satisfied or attain their larger share. People are genetically inclined to either be a more active or lazy individual, high maintenance or satisfied with the minimum. This goes for current American society....Tribal....old west....European...or older times....no community has ever survived static with no tiers of some sort. I can watch my little girl play at the park or with my nieces/nephew and you can see it in them...14 months up to 4 years old....all individual personalities.

[robzilla]

I think we can all agree that world peace would be nice. But his over generalization of southerners as well as the Lutheran/Catholic analogy when saying human nature is nonexistent...only parenting....is a bit off in my view. Human nature IS a major factor....thoughout history....whether we use paper currency or natural resources....and economy has to have levels...not everyone will be satisfied or attain their larger share. People are genetically inclined to either be a more active or lazy individual, high maintenance or satisfied with the minimum. This goes for current American society....Tribal....old west....European...or older times....no community has ever survived static with no tiers of some sort. I can watch my little girl play at the park or with my nieces/nephew and you can see it in them...14 months up to 4 years old....all individual personalities.

But what if there is enough resources for everyone and everything is free. There is no need to attain more. People would do thing because they want to, not because they have to. And you can concentrate on whatever u want. Be an olympic athelete, rocket scientist, etc.

[excel]

The guys cheering on the police are the same guys who will grovel at the feet of the next oppressive regime. It's their learned behavior

[itchypickle]

But what if there is enough resources for everyone and everything is free. There is no need to attain more. People would do thing because they want to, not because they have to. And you can concentrate on whatever u want. Be an olympic athelete, rocket scientist, etc.

So an off shore worker will do that hard work to get oil out of the ground for free?

Power company lineman will ride the bucket truck up on the lines at 10 below in icy weather to restore power in winter for free?

AC guy will climb up in your attic to fix duct work in 120 degree summers for free?

Woman will clean your hotel room in Lake Tahoe for your family vacation to go smooth for you for free?

Guy gonna clean out your septic tank and porta johns at the local concert for free?

NFL caliber players will wreck their bodies to play for free?

I don't think so. You should pick up a copy, or download 'How an Economy grows and Why it crashes" by the Schiff's....it's a great read if you're into economics....informative but still written in a fun way unlike the other books on economic theory...uses analogy of a from scratch society on an island and how human nature and selected skills play out in growing a prosperous civilization.

[MC PICKS]

Peaceful my ass, they were talking about setting buildings on fire and threatening school kids on the subway in NYC, elementary kids like 8-10 years old, the cops should have just beaten thier asses from day 1 and these people would have cleared out real quick.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Oh and for the record, the cop broke the law...

FindLaw Link

Relevant text: "...alleging that the officers' use of pepper spray on the activists' eyes and faces during three peaceful protests constituted an excessive use of force in violation of their Fourth Amendment rights."

"...in light of Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194, 121 S.Ct. 2151, 150 L.Ed.2d 272 (2001), in which the Supreme Court describes the way in which to proceed when state officials assert qualified immunity in a § 1983 excessive force action.   Having reviewed the facts and circumstances of this case in light of Saucier, this panel reaffirms its conclusion that Lewis and Philip are not entitled to qualified immunity.

[statnerds]

I guess it is true. If you're not a liberal when you are 20 you have no heart.

If you're not a conservative by the time you're 30, you have no brain.

[Sunde91]

Only a completely mindless leftist sheep would buy into that. "Resource based economy" is a euphemism for communism. Except that in this case, instead of the state bureacracy managing things, a master computer will magically will. Yet he says there is no ruling class and everything will be so happy and perfect. Yep the master computer will just run the world with insane technology. No corruption, no greed, no wars

[Turd Ferguson]

[BigTenSports]

Does anyone really feel sorry for these west coast liberals?

[eidolon]

Look up civil disobediance. I think Ghandi thought of it, when they were protesting colonialism.

We arent talking about a building or a person. We are talking about the whole way our system is designed. why does it matter where the location of the protest is?

If there is 1000 ppl in someones house and they wont leave, what should they do?

If there were 1000 ppl in your house and wont leave, what would you do?


Also, location is key; Gandhi's 240 mile protest walk had to do with getting salt with no tax, that is why they walked 240 miles to the sea to make salt from sea water; and then they were arrested for this.

If ppl want to protest: stop paying taxes, stop paying 100 dollars a month for your phone, ...
If a large mass stopped doing these things, the powers that be will have to take notice.

[robzilla]

If there is 1000 ppl in someones house and they wont leave, what should they do? If there were 1000 ppl in your house and wont leave, what would you do? Also, location is key; Gandhi's 240 mile protest walk had to do with getting salt with no tax, that is why they walked 240 miles to the sea to make salt from sea water; and then they were arrested for this. If ppl want to protest: stop paying taxes, stop paying 100 dollars a month for your phone, ... If a large mass stopped doing these things, the powers that be will have to take notice.

We arent talking about someones house. But even if we were, the "occupiers" all pay taxes, so they all kind of own a piece of the house. If 1000 people are protesting in a public park, and old man jones cant walk his dog in the same area that he usually does...WHO GIVES A F***! we are talking a complete overhaul of our monitary system.

[UNCGQ]

Kent State says "hi"

[eidolon]

We arent talking about someones house. But even if we were, the "occupiers" all pay taxes, so they all kind of own a piece of the house. If 1000 people are protesting in a public park, and old man jones cant walk his dog in the same area that he usually does...WHO GIVES A F***! we are talking a complete overhaul of our monitary system.

If there were 1000 ppl in your house and wont leave, what would you do?

[rocky502]

We arent talking about someones house. But even if we were, the "occupiers" all pay taxes, so they all kind of own a piece of the house. If 1000 people are protesting in a public park, and old man jones cant walk his dog in the same area that he usually does...WHO GIVES A F***! we are talking a complete overhaul of our monitary system.

Typical millenial attitude. Me, me, me, and fukk everyone else because my perceived right is more important than anyone else. Yeah, fukk that old man, he may have stormed the beach in Normandy (like a sheep) but I have a degree in liberal arts so I have more of a right to this park than anyone else. No fuuk you, go home to your momma's mantle and shine up those ninth place trophies. You are special and can be whatever you want to be even though you are completely ordinary. No way will you accept that entry level job that only pays $30,000. My college advisor and my mommie says my degree is worth $50,000 a year. I am sure your mommie heaped praise on you for every minor accomplishment from the day you were born. I am sure your mommie cheered wildly every time you swung and made contact in little league or hit a layup in youth basketball. You are part of a generation of completely average, ordinary, kids who were coddled all their lives and made to believe they were all winners even though their performance did not merit this.

If I sound like an old coot, I am not. I am in my late thirties. I had a fantastic job for a decade and the company went -up in 2008. I took a job out of my comfort zone because times were tough in my chosen field. It was a 40% pay cut from where I was but it had potential and upside. In the short term I did what I had to do and downsized my car payment. I worked my ass off and became a proficient expert in my new job and worked my way up to where I am now. While it is unlikely that I will ever make it to become a 1%er, I refuse the defeatist attitude of the OWS losers who are professional victims and will always be losers because their "blame others" attitude will never let them succeed.

[itchypickle]

If there were 1000 ppl in your house and wont leave, what would you do?

Exactly....the same people who are saying 'oh let them stay, let them do what they want wherever'...from here out ask them their address and let's post it to Craigslist under the 'free beer and party at 224 Liberal Utopia Drive'...once random people start showing up and asking for free stuff and breaking windows to get in and use the house......let's watch in laughter as their mindset changes.

Same thing goes for Russell Brand and DeCaprio and these other celebs who 'feel the Occupy pain'....if you do then live it.....if you think the richest have too much and the little guy is squeezed think back to before you made your Hollywood millions....now that you have it go down to the camp and each of you pick 20 people and give them each $100k cash....so $2 million charity a piece from the celeb....this doesn't equal even one movie paycheck for them.....but it will change the lives of those down trodden people who they believe are sincerely hard working and mistreated people right?

It's comical how so many people say 'oh yeah I think this and that and this should be done by others for this and that' but when you tell them 'you're right that would be great, let's start with YOU doing it?" they turn into stuttering idiots and change the topic.

[Romanov]

Jean Baudrillard. On nihilism. Google. Their protests only strengthen the moloch

[FuzzyDunlop]

Students make the Chancellor's walk to her car a bit awkward...

[rkelly110]

My observations on the video is, the cops told them they are going to be sprayed.
They had time to sit down, bow their heads and cover their eyes. They had time
to move out of the way if they didn't want sprayed.

Some people just want to experience shit like that to tell their friends, family and grand kids.

[crjohnson32]

If I sound like an old coot, I am not. I am in my late thirties. I had a fantastic job for a decade and the company went -up in 2008. I took a job out of my comfort zone because times were tough in my chosen field. It was a 40% pay cut from where I was but it had potential and upside. In the short term I did what I had to do and downsized my car payment. I worked my ass off and became a proficient expert in my new job and worked my way up to where I am now.

So you're fine with your tax dollars bailing out the "too big to fail" banksters? 1/3 of the money used to bail out the banks went to over seas banks, you're fine with that?

You're fine with a few guys like Ben Bernanke monkeying around with interest rates and the dollar value with no oversight?

[FuzzyDunlop]

My observations on the video is, the cops told them they are going to be sprayed.
They had time to sit down, bow their heads and cover their eyes. They had time
to move out of the way if they didn't want sprayed.

Some people just want to experience shit like that to tell their friends, family and grand kids.

So, you're saying it's fine that the cops broke the student's rights under the fourth amendment?

[itchypickle]

Oh and for the record, the cop broke the law...

FindLaw Link

Relevant text: "...alleging that the officers' use of pepper spray on the activists' eyes and faces during three peaceful protests constituted an excessive use of force in violation of their Fourth Amendment rights."

"...in light of Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194, 121 S.Ct. 2151, 150 L.Ed.2d 272 (2001), in which the Supreme Court describes the way in which to proceed when state officials assert qualified immunity in a § 1983 excessive force action.   Having reviewed the facts and circumstances of this case in light of Saucier, this panel reaffirms its conclusion that Lewis and Philip are not entitled to qualified immunity.

Read that entire link, as well as the other briefs involved....makes no sense to equate it in this incident. If you want to get technical, the laws were not broken on the current spraying incident since A- the spray was not used in an attempt to get the protestors to undo themselves from those 'black bears'....and like I stated previously...those larger Riot canisters are far less potent than normal individual cans of OC or the foam etc- I've had both certs done in previous careers and can tell you that you can spray that large canister directly on someone outside and it have no effect other than wetness....not an irritant unless indooors/confined space. It's meant as a deterrent and not a forcible submission action such as the single OC even on a previously used spray can. Also law enforcement have laws in place giving them full use of these devices if they do not have a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio officer to offender.....for their protection since they are forced to be in confrontations 3-5 days per week over a long term period the odds stack up for injury.

At end of the day....any logic other than 'they should have just listened to lawful orders and several warnings of what was about to happen if non compliant' and dispersed is just pandering.....could have come back later but they chose to have it happen. I'll bet you $$ right now not a single court judgement will come against these officers for this.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Read that entire link, as well as the other briefs involved....makes no sense to equate it in this incident.

In the facts of this case, there were only three protesters who were able to removed in a couple minutes by officers. That is why SCOTUS decided a reasonable jury could find the use of pepperspray was unreasonable. In the UC Irvine video there were many, many more protesters blocking the path that one could argue made the use of pepper spray necessary. However, you could also make a much stronger argument that is was objectively unreasonable using the parameters in the appellate ruling.

[itchypickle]

In the facts of this case, there were only three protesters who were able to removed in a couple minutes by officers. That is why SCOTUS decided a reasonable jury could find the use of pepperspray was unreasonable. In the UC Irvine video there were many, many more protesters blocking the path that one could argue made the use of pepper spray necessary. However, you could also make a much stronger argument that is was objectively unreasonable using the parameters in the appellate ruling.

The tree protestor case is new to me, but I would agree they should have just kept using those grinders to cut the devices off those guys....but with that said whatever the protest is about....once you purposely go there in an attempt to break known laws, misdemeanor or not, and say ahead of time you're willing to be arrested for the cause.....then you try and lock yourselves together.....force the cops to drag you away by not using your legs to walk, whatever method......you know and can't complain after the fact that pepper spray is used.....it's either that or being slammed to the ground if you refuse to be cuffed.....or in more serious acts rubber bullets or Tazer.....but I can't emphasize it enough....these people are old enough to KNOW what is going to happen if you willingly break a law and then refuse to leave when given the choice or make it harder to be detained...so they need to just accept those results. The police have a job to do....they acted accordingly...bottom line. If they would have taken out batons and started whacking them in the head or pulling pistols and shooting them in the legs....or using rubber bullets point blank to the chest.....I would agree its wrong but they did what they are trained to do using accepted standards by the governing boards from the state.

[rocky502]

So you're fine with your tax dollars bailing out the "too big to fail" banksters? 1/3 of the money used to bail out the banks went to over seas banks, you're fine with that?

You're fine with a few guys like Ben Bernanke monkeying around with interest rates and the dollar value with no oversight?

Wow, that is quite a leap for you to say. Do you really believe 80% of these Ows kids could articulate an argument on what you mentioned? No, but i bet they can chant in unison a meaningless phrase or beat a drum.

[Walter Abrams]

Man, some of you people really enjoy slavery, huh? Fukkin COWARDS. You are the type of people who would have pussied out during the Revolutionary War, OR even sided with the British. Pussies.

Great Post. That dude would have went with the brits for sure.

[crjohnson32]

Wow, that is quite a leap for you to say. Do you really believe 80% of these Ows kids could articulate an argument on what you mentioned? No, but i bet they can chant in unison a meaningless phrase or beat a drum.

Good job at avoiding my question.

[ACoochy]

Ruh roh that vid of the cop spraying peaceful protesters has made international headlines...Can see him having some forced time off shortly...

And here i thought america was all about fairness and equality.... LOL at thinking some cities by-laws are more important than the freedoms contained within the constitution that ur forefathers thought so hard to valiantly protect. Shame on u people, traitors to ur own constitution...

[excel]

UC Davis Pepper Spraying: Cops Suspended

[flyingillini]

Pepper Spray all the protesters. Get them out of the way and tell them to go get a job.

[ACoochy]

Jean Baudrillard. On nihilism. Google. Their protests only strengthen the moloch

Yeah, can see the USA going down this road...Cant say i blame the young ppl for having attitudes similar to this. Outsourcing is a wonderful thing ;-)

[big0mar]

Too many foreigners on SBR

I would tell you guys to figure out a way to actually make your own countries more rich

But actually your patronage of SBR is just putting money in the pocket of smart Americans

Thank you