Are Basic Strategy / "Wong" Teasers DEAD?

[WichitaStateFan]

I don't understand how people lose 4 team 13 point teasers in the NFL.

[Firefox14]

dont tease college

Thanks for the advice. Didn't actually place the bet. Just curious as to if the wong was available at the desired odds, and to my liking, it looks like wongs aren't dead after all.

[rfr3sh]

Not TERRIBLE to tease college if total is mid-40s or less.

still would rather not

[BiGTonyHAHA]

imo lt profits is pretty much right target. teasers are best done with 0/Us that start in the 40s and you drop it down 4-6 pts then you ALWAYS take the underdog. there is always more value in the underdog. not only can they cover obviously but they can also win. college football for example i always play the underdog teased at about 4-6 pts when the favorite is a good running team. good running teams usually hold the ball when they have a lead to manage the clock. esp. if its top 25 in college football or basketball take the underdog with the pts. ive done 2 plays for college basketball the season at 5 pt teasers i had florida @ +15 w/ kansas @ +11.5. and kent state @ +13(who won su) w/ middle tennesee st @ +16)(who also won su against ucla) the sbr pros know whats what.

[NSN21]

I like to try to use handicapping & line move anticipation with BS when teasing in the NFL. For example, I like Minnesota this week, so I teased the +1.5 to +7.5 before it was gone. Now it's sitting +1 in most spots. If you can correctly anticipate a line move coming before it happens, you can turn a non-BS teaser into a BS teaser by getting an extra 1/2 point or two.

[BiGTonyHAHA]

yea i agree with nsn21 here. getting that half point late in the season is imparative. as teams that might be playoff bound in pro sports play with extra intensity

[jolmscheid]

Not TERRIBLE to tease college if total is mid-40s or less.

Would this apply to teasing only the dogs??

[BiGTonyHAHA]

IMO if the 0/U is in the mid 40s and you can teased the dog to double digits i would say that would be pretty strong play

[LT Profits]

Would this apply to teasing only the dogs??

Nothing works blindly any more like the glory days, but generally yes.

[jolmscheid]

Nothing works blindly any more like the glory days, but generally yes.

What about teasing home favs down in college? Would a lower total still be more beneficial for this?

[subs]

imo lt profits is pretty much right target. teasers are best done with 0/Us that start in the 40s and you drop it down 4-6 pts then you ALWAYS take the underdog. there is always more value in the underdog. not only can they cover obviously but they can also win. college football for example i always play the underdog teased at about 4-6 pts when the favorite is a good running team. good running teams usually hold the ball when they have a lead to manage the clock. esp. if its top 25 in college football or basketball take the underdog with the pts. ive done 2 plays for college basketball the season at 5 pt teasers i had florida @ +15 w/ kansas @ +11.5. and kent state @ +13(who won su) w/ middle tennesee st @ +16)(who also won su against ucla) the sbr pros know whats what.

hi, do u mind sharing where can u tease a football game for 4 points? thanks

[Firefox14]

Can someone explain the fundamental difference between, say, teasing a 6 to 12 game, opposed to 2 to 8. Both cover the 3 and 7? I'm a little slow on the uptake. Aren't these both considered wongs?

[FourLengthsClear]

Can someone explain the fundamental difference between, say, teasing a 6 to 12 game, opposed to 2 to 8. Both cover the 3 and 7? I'm a little slow on the uptake. Aren't these both considered wongs?

When teasing from 2 to 8 (or 8 to 2 for that matter) 3 and 7 are the two key numbers that you are 'buying'.

With such a teaser, you are essentially buying all of the half points as follows:

From 2.0 to 2.5
From 2.5 to 3.0
From 3.0 to 3.5
From 3.5 to 4.0
From 4.0 to 4.5
From 4.5 to 5.0
From 5.0 to 5.5
From 5.5 to 6.0
From 6.0 to 6.5
From 6.5 to 7.0
From 7.0 to 7.5

For obvious reasons the bolded half-points are the most valuable numbers in NFL betting and being able to cover all of them means that the total amount 'paid' is less, statistically, than the total value of the purchase as measured by push probabilities.

[LT Profits]

Can someone explain the fundamental difference between, say, teasing a 6 to 12 game, opposed to 2 to 8. Both cover the 3 and 7? I'm a little slow on the uptake. Aren't these both considered wongs?

2 to 8 (or 8 to 2) covers BOTH the 3 and the 7, which is the whole point. Covering only one of those two numbers (i.e., 6 to 12) is not a wong.

[NSN21]

6 to 12 is more widely known as a BTC teaser.

[LT Profits]

6 to 12 is more widely known as a BTC teaser.

Bill the Cop? I'd tread carefully, a lot of his stuff is data mined.

[NSN21]

Bill the Cop? I'd tread carefully, a lot of his stuff is data mined.

Agreed, just noting how a lot of people know them as.

[LT Profits]

Agreed, just noting how a lot of people know them as.

Gotcha. So I am sure you know that even Wong Teaser is a misnomer since he didn't really discover them, he just brought them into the mainstream in his book. Technically, Basic Strategy Teaser is the right term, but Wong Teaser is easier to type.

[NSN21]

Gotcha. So I am sure you know that even Wong Teaser is a misnomer since he didn't really discover them, he just brought them into the mainstream in his book. Technically, Basic Strategy Teaser is the right term, but Wong Teaser is easier to type.

Ha, yes, that is correct. Kind of ironic how he gets all the credit for discovering them when actually he just brought them to light for everyone to use.

[donjuan]

Not TERRIBLE to tease college if total is mid-40s or less.

The MLs suggest otherwise.

[jolmscheid]

For NFL I think teasing the dogs is only smart with a lower total..

[jolmscheid]

Id be looking at the seahawks, ravens, and lions today...thoughts

[BAUS]

Id be looking at the seahawks, ravens, and lions today...thoughts

No.

BAUS

[jolmscheid]

Ha ha...thanks baus ... any reason why?

[BAUS]

Read above posts. Lions and Ravens are -7. Seahawks +3. None of those games meets the conditions described above.

BAUS

[Pancho sanza]

Read above posts. Lions and Ravens are -7. Seahawks +3. None of those games meets the conditions described above.

BAUS

Ravens ML was -315/+277

Looks like a good teaser candidate to me.

[jolmscheid]

Ravens ML was -315/+277

Looks like a good teaser candidate to me.

Hey Pancho...what is the odds for each leg of a 6-point teaser?

[mathdotcom]

Ravens ML was -315/+277

Looks like a good teaser candidate to me.

Ravens ML = Ravens +0
Ravens -7 + 6pt teaser = Ravens -1 (and given teaser tiebreak rules, it could even be considered Ravens -1.5)

mathy

[Pancho sanza]

Ravens ML = Ravens +0
Ravens -7 + 6pt teaser = Ravens -1 (and given teaser tiebreak rules, it could even be considered Ravens -1.5)

mathy

The # of times it lands 1 doesn't disqualify it from being a good leg.

Only a moron would play a 6 pointer ties lose teaser.

[mathdotcom]

I'll even give you that Ravens ML = Ravens -0.5 since the probability of a tie is so low.

Then Ravens ML = Ravens -0.5, which is of course better to have in a teaser than Ravens -1, even if (push/win) is graded as a push [of course you should not bet (push/win) = loss teasers]. So if you use the moneyline fair odds probability to find that a teaser is exactly 0 EV, then the teaser is in fact -EV because when it lands on -1 you get a push instead of a win.

[Pancho sanza]

I'll even give you that Ravens ML = Ravens -0.5 since the probability of a tie is so low.

Then Ravens ML = Ravens -0.5, which is of course better to have in a teaser than Ravens -1, even if (push/win) is graded as a push [of course you should not bet (push/win) = loss teasers]. So if you use the moneyline fair odds probability to find that a teaser is exactly 0 EV, then the teaser is in fact -EV because when it lands on -1 you get a push instead of a win.

Im not sure what your point is.

The ml is -315

Use pinnys drop down to see how much going from 1 to pick costs.

Its a great leg to use in a teaser, period.

[jolmscheid]

Im not sure what your point is.

The ml is -315

Use pinnys drop down to see how much going from 1 to pick costs.

Its a great leg to use in a teaser, period.

So if one can get a -6.5 fav where the moneyline is GREATER THAN -241, then it is a +EV leg to tease that team 6 points then correct? Am I right when I say that?

[LT Profits]

So if one can get a -6.5 fav where the moneyline is GREATER THAN -241, then it is a +EV leg to tease that team 6 points then correct? Am I right when I say that?

Bingo.

[mathdotcom]

So if one can get a -6.5 fav where the moneyline is GREATER THAN -241, then it is a +EV leg to tease that team 6 points then correct? Am I right when I say that?

fair odds moneyline****

[Pancho sanza]

So if one can get a -6.5 fav where the moneyline is GREATER THAN -241, then it is a +EV leg to tease that team 6 points then correct? Am I right when I say that?

Focus on the ROI of the teaser, not just the price of a given leg in the teaser.

Its perfectly fine at times to use sides < -241