Execution carried out

[Thor4140]

If you are referring to me, I am not a liberal in the definition you are using.



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Don't buy into these idiots who throw around the word liberal like it is some dirty word. These ****ers use every liberal policy they can when it suits their needs. People who throw around these type of labels (which are only to divide us)you take with a grain of salt. These type of idiots i call a Carl Roves wet dream.

[betplom]

If an American goes abroad, rapes and kills two teen-age girls, if that's what you mean by "get into a similar situation,"

No, thats not what I meant, your "tunnel vision" made you come to that conclusion.
Common sense would have helped you figure out what I was referring to.
Apperently it's not one of your strengths.

The "similar situation" I was referring to was about a foreigner (American - in custody outside America) not receiving the rights/treatment agreed to by other countries with the United States.
Willie, have you always been this thick?

The US government is not respected around the world - for good reason.
They have a habit of signing agreements only to break them when convenient.

[BadNina]

But in this particular case, this man was not falsely accused. He raped and murdered two teenage girls and boasted about it after he was in police custody. How could the consulate help him? He had an attorney to defend him. He had a trial and was found guilty by a jury. He went through the whole appeal process over a fifteen year period. It was like they grabbed some guy hanging out at Mickey Dee's and strung him up the following morning in the town square.

[Panic]

Chamberlain, come on down!

[betplom]

But in this particular case, this man was not falsely accused. He raped and murdered two teenage girls and boasted about it after he was in police custody. How could the consulate help him? He had an attorney to defend him. He had a trial and was found guilty by a jury. He went through the whole appeal process over a fifteen year period. It was like they grabbed some guy hanging out at Mickey Dee's and strung him up the following morning in the town square.

I'm in agreement with you, I'm talking about honouring treaties, contracts etc., the US has a habit of expecting other governments to abide by previous arrangements but will itself break them when it becomes convenient.

[BadNina]

The US Government asked Texas to hold off. Texas said "No thank you". The federal government doesn't need to be messing with states rights either.

[betplom]

The US Government asked Texas to hold off. Texas said "No thank you". The federal government doesn't need to be messing with states rights either.

True, but only part of the story, the convenient part. Typical.

[BadNina]

What is typical? The fact that the State used their right to uphold a conviction? What was the federal goverment suppose to do? Kick them out of the union? Take over the prison with the military?

[Panic]

Just because someone is remorseful of their actions doesn't mean that there still isn't a penalty to pay. I don't see an execution as "an eye for an eye". I see it as punishment for heinous crimes. It isn't like it's a secret that for crimes such as this that there are some states that will give a death sentence and carry it out.

I say an eye for an eye, but its really not. If it were, then we would get to strangle him with a belt and stab him with a claw hammer and then stomp on his throat until it resembles a sand dollar....I'll spare people from what would happen for the raping part.

[Willie Bee]

No, thats not what I meant, your "tunnel vision" made you come to that conclusion.
Common sense would have helped you figure out what I was referring to.
Apperently it's not one of your strengths.

The "similar situation" I was referring to was about a foreigner (American - in custody outside America) not receiving the rights/treatment agreed to by other countries with the United States.
Willie, have you always been this thick?

The US government is not respected around the world - for good reason.
They have a habit of signing agreements only to break them when convenient.

If some other country wants to bust some American's balls for any crime they committed in retaliation for this, then do it. If they just want to harass US citizens visiting or working in their country in retaliation for this, then that's their choice. When I've been abroad, I've minded the laws of the country I'm in. I never entered a country illegally, nor have my parents dragged me into another country illegally.

If Canada wants to arrest the next American who comes north of the border and violates any law from speeding to murder, and hold that American in jail forever and a day, then so be it.

And if that makes me thick, or if you thinking that makes me thick helps you feel better about yourself, then more power to you. Say the word and we'll send every dang murderer on death row right now to Canada so y'all can care for them. That'll show us.

[bettilimbroke999]

If some other country wants to bust some American's balls for any crime they committed in retaliation for this, then do it. If they just want to harass US citizens visiting or working in their country in retaliation for this, then that's their choice. When I've been abroad, I've minded the laws of the country I'm in. I never entered a country illegally, nor have my parents dragged me into another country illegally.

If Canada wants to arrest the next American who comes north of the border and violates any law from speeding to murder, and hold that American in jail forever and a day, then so be it.

And if that makes me thick, or if you thinking that makes me thick helps you feel better about yourself, then more power to you. Say the word and we'll send every dang murderer on death row right now to Canada so y'all can care for them. That'll show us.

Hold them in jail forever for speeding , yes indeed you are being thick Willie but you're still one of my favorite posters so keep up the non psychotically motivated posts. In any event if a US citizen goes up to Canada rapes and murders two women then brags about it feel free to hang his ass who cares, the US is lucky he went up there to do it instead of killing US citizens and now Canada is stuck with the bill prosecuting/incarcerating/appeals/killing this pile of shit

[Willie Bee]

broke999, my response to the condescending betplom was for his vague "get into a similar situation" post. I don't expect Canada to put away any speeders for life, nor do I feel that anyone who supports capital punishment are necessarily psychotically motivated. People who rape and murder teenagers, and those who only want to use the death penalty here in the US to support their own anti American sentiment, they're the ones who are psychotic in my book.

[bettilimbroke999]

I support the death penalty, never saw much point in paying 40k a year to keep a human in a cage without chance of parole rest of his life seems like either way it's a death sentence might as well go with the cheaper one, I'm just not for locking up speeders for life, but I see that was mainly sarcasm responding to betplom.

[donjuan]

Don't buy into these idiots who throw around the word liberal like it is some dirty word. These ****ers use every liberal policy they can when it suits their needs. People who throw around these type of labels (which are only to divide us)you take with a grain of salt. These type of idiots i call a Carl Roves wet dream.

I am liberal in the classical sense, not the modern American definition.

[donjuan]

I support the death penalty, never saw much point in paying 40k a year to keep a human in a cage without chance of parole rest of his life seems like either way it's a death sentence might as well go with the cheaper one

How many times does it need to be pointed out that it isn't cheaper to sentence someone to death than it is to sentence them to a life in prison?

[Panic]

How many times does it need to be pointed out that it isn't cheaper to sentence someone to death than it is to sentence them to a life in prison?

Do you have a link for this, Don? I would like to see it.

[donjuan]

Here's a starter: http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

Off to lunch. Back in a bit.

[smitch124]

Yes but Panic would argue that it wouldn't cost so much if there was more frying and less crying....

[Panic]

Well, here is something I found. Take a look at what the poster Hakeem wrote. Seems like he knows what hes talking about. You are trying to say it is cheaper to keep him alive, but not taking in all the varibles that will go along with making this happen. While he occupies a cell for 50 years, more and more people are coming in, so they have to build more, buy more food, hire more workers, ect...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1005121400890

[betplom]

broke999, my response to the condescending betplom was for his vague "get into a similar situation" post.

Willie, your Government acts as if the US is the only country in the world.
They routinely break agreements as they see fit and punish anyone that attempts to break agreements with them.

The US government is despised worldwide, for good reason.

Americans are the best at believing their shit doesn't stink, but as the rest of the world knows all to well it does, big time.

The US imprisons more of its citizens per capita than any other nation in the world, you have more laws than any other nation on the planet (yep, including communist countries) yet the average American continues to chant "Land of the Free, etc etc."

Willie, I know I'm hitting a nerve with you, maybe you should recite your pledge of allegiance a few times and make yourself feel better. It would be the American thing to do.

You've mistaken my argument of honouring agreements and laws with capital punishment and murder, I take no issue with capital punishment .

It comes down to the US choosing which international laws it will abide by as it sees fit, certain laws do not apply to America, just everyone else.

Keep your murderers where they belong, in the US.

America is the butt of the joke but isn't smart enough to realize it.

[SSLP]

Phucking Liberals if someone would do that to my daughter they wouldnt have even made it to a year.

People gotta wake up and realize ONE day this could be you suffering cuz they killed your kin.

I would have killed him and period anyone with kids would do understand

[bettilimbroke999]

Amazing how it took stealing a cow and a night in jail before you were hung the next morning a hundred years ago, now it takes 10 million dollars and 15 yrs to kill a person that's as guilty as sin of multiple rapes and murders, what a fukin joke, the motherfuker bragged about killing them, what fukin process do you need. If you are accused of raping and killing two ppl are you gonna start bragging about how you did it, of course not, you are gonna be explaining your innocence as loudly and often as you possibly can cause you know it's your ass if they think otherwise. I say if you are dumb enough to be accused, evidenced, witnessed against for a double rape and murder and your response is to brag about it, even if you didn't actually do it your dumbass is gonna fry, no reason to spend 10 million on the .0001 percent of the population that is dumb enough to do that. Hell I heard even after all that process 5-10% of the convicts are innocent, so if you don't want to be a part of that 5-10% shut your dumbass up bragging about how you committed the crimes you're accused of if you didn't do it. NO APPEAL PROCESS IN THIS CASE, IN FACT LEAD THE COCKSUCKER FROM THE COURT ROOM TO THE FIRING SQUAD AND GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH.

[element1286]

Willie, your Government acts as if the US is the only country in the world.
They routinely break agreements as they see fit and punish anyone that attempts to break agreements with them.

The US government is despised worldwide, for good reason.

Americans are the best at believing their shit doesn't stink, but as the rest of the world knows all to well it does, big time.

The US imprisons more of its citizens per capita than any other nation in the world, you have more laws than any other nation on the planet (yep, including communist countries) yet the average American continues to chant "Land of the Free, etc etc."

Willie, I know I'm hitting a nerve with you, maybe you should recite your pledge of allegiance a few times and make yourself feel better. It would be the American thing to do.

You've mistaken my argument of honouring agreements and laws with capital punishment and murder, I take no issue with capital punishment .

It comes down to the US choosing which international laws it will abide by as it sees fit, certain laws do not apply to America, just everyone else.

Keep your murderers where they belong, in the US.

America is the butt of the joke but isn't smart enough to realize it.

What agreement was broken?

[bettilimbroke999]

What agreement was broken?

The agreement not to kill confessed 100% guilty double murderers and rapists until we've spent 10 million on pointless appeals

[betplom]

Selective compliance.
Observe laws that are convenient to the cause but ignore those that get in the way of the governments wishes.
The American way.

[dmynn]

I'm a Canadian 'liberal' and I say death penalty all the way for this guy. The only problem I have with the death penalty is innocent people that get convicted because of an unfair justice system and how it gets handed out in a discriminatory manner. If you're black and you rape and murder a white girl you're gone, but it you're white and you rape and murder a black girl you have a fighting chance - especially if you have money.

And there are innocent people on death row because they didn't have the money for a good defence or got railroaded by lying cops, lying 'eyewitnesses', etc... How many cases have been reversed now that we have CSI technology? Lots.

[element1286]

Selective compliance.
Observe laws that are convenient to the cause but ignore those that get in the way of the governments wishes.
The American way.

What agreement was broken in this case?

[betplom]

What agreement was broken in this case?

Do some research if you want to be informed, I have no interest in
"spoonfeeding" the information to you.

You're sitting in front of a computer with an internet connection, it doesn't get any easier.

[Panic]

Now thats not very friendly, betplom. If you state something as fact, you should provide the info when called out.

[betplom]

The information has been provided in this thread already, all one has to do is read it.

Nothing unfriendly about it.

[bettilimbroke999]

Betplom stick with jokes, you're much better at them

[bigugly]

Did someone really just post a answers.yahoo.com link? LOL

It is cheaper to incarcerate someone for life. You guys are more interested in revenge than anything. You can kill and kill and kill but it doesn't change a GOD DAMN thing.

Somehow it seems like Broke wishes we could return to the good ol' days. The days when all it took was an accusation against a less favorable party to arrive at a death sentence. The days of blatant injustice. The good ol' days of slavery, and when it was acceptable to take young girls from your enemies and claim them as your wives and rape them any night you wanted. (Please see the Old Testament.)

In this modern era we still have executed many innocent people in this culture of death. In your bullshit racist justice system. Somehow you think execution will be justice, but it will never be enough. Listen to the hate from the quote of one of the girls in the article you posted. You're not interested in making the world a better place OR justice. Revenge, blood....that's what you care about.

So in this case the guy admitted to everything....but he still deserves to be treated fairly. The moment you deny someone their rights to a defense, to their appeals, is a sad day indeed, but you seem to have no problem going there when it is convenient. This is why this country is in trouble.

You hate liberals, view them as big pussies. Some of them are politically correct pussies, but you live in a black and white world of ignorance and I don't think that is any better. This might sound cheesy, but it's going to take love to change the world, and I can see that is not on your agenda.

[bigugly]

And if you're so concerned about the money for housing a criminal, then it's time for this country to stop PUSHING THEIR MORALS on others, and repeal many drug laws, especially those requiring mandatory minimum sentences for minor drug offenders. We have plenty of prisons, just a matter of getting the right people in them.

[Sinister Cat]

What agreement was broken in this case?

Vienna Convention. U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it wasn't a self-executing treaty, so Texas doesn't have to follow it until Congress ratifies it.

[Panic]

Did someone really just post a answers.yahoo.com link? LOL

It is cheaper to incarcerate someone for life. You guys are more interested in revenge than anything. You can kill and kill and kill but it doesn't change a GOD DAMN thing.

Somehow it seems like Broke wishes we could return to the good ol' days. The days when all it took was an accusation against a less favorable party to arrive at a death sentence. The days of blatant injustice. The good ol' days of slavery, and when it was acceptable to take young girls from your enemies and claim them as your wives and rape them any night you wanted. (Please see the Old Testament.)

In this modern era we still have executed many innocent people in this culture of death. In your bullshit racist justice system. Somehow you think execution will be justice, but it will never be enough. Listen to the hate from the quote of one of the girls in the article you posted. You're not interested in making the world a better place OR justice. Revenge, blood....that's what you care about.

So in this case the guy admitted to everything....but he still deserves to be treated fairly. The moment you deny someone their rights to a defense, to their appeals, is a sad day indeed, but you seem to have no problem going there when it is convenient. This is why this country is in trouble.

You hate liberals, view them as big pussies. Some of them are politically correct pussies, but you live in a black and white world of ignorance and I don't think that is any better. This might sound cheesy, but it's going to take love to change the world, and I can see that is not on your agenda.

I posted the link and if you read what the man wrote you can tell he knows what he's talking about. What? Because he posted an answer to someones question on yahoo, that makes it less valid? Did it seem to you that he was making a case for or against the death penality? Do you get the impression that he was pulling the figures out of mid air? I suppose I could find a pro Execution magazine and have quotes from a Texas paper, much like the reverse from Don, but I felt the guy gave an answer that was unbiased.

Okay now, heres my question, where do you get off trying to scream from the top of your soap box that you are right and the rest of us that are pro execution are nothing but barbaric racists?

The mighty bigugly has spoken, so it shall be done? You babble about this and babble about that. You want rights for the accused and for the victims to get over themselves. You are a liberal, and as such you feel your world is colorful and full of life. The rest of us are cave dwellers living in the past. We get it. Your partners in crime like, Buddy Bear make sure to be little people at every chance. But here's the thing, maybe our black and white world is the real deal and your sugar coated fantasies are nothing but a fasade. You see, we have to get our fingers dirty, while you like to stand on your soap box and complain about it, but Lord have mercy, when the day comes and you need justice. Then it will be a different story wont it?