Do The Greek Books Still Require a Fax of Your DL to Withdraw?

[ritehook]

Even if one deposits AND withdraws by, say, MoneyGram?

I'm reluctant to provide that info even to 1st world countries like Australia.

I'm unwilling to do so for 2nd or 3rd World countries like Jamaica.

Even with the best of intentions a vengeful ex-employee could have harvested that info, and try to profit from it. Wonder how much the info on a US Drivers Licence is worth on the back alleys of Kingston?

I once asked BetJam why they did that. Thier reply: "We just want to know who our customers are."

Which requires a follow-up: "Why?" The books in CR don't need that info (and I would be out of there too if they ever did).

[ritehook]

I wonder if this a legal requirement in Jamaica?

It seems very self-defeating.

I've spoken to maybe a half-donzen bettors over the past four years about the offshores. When I menioned that Jamaica has some highly rated books,but you hve to send a copy of your Drivers Licence to withdraw, every single one of them said: "I wouldn't do that."

Must be law. No other reason that a book would turn away so much businenss.

(And, oh year, I'd trust the lawmakers in Jamaica like I'd trust ours. Less so, in fact.)

[durito]

Personally I'd rather not play at book that doesn't want to verify my identity when I request a withdrawal.

That people feel otherwise is completely misguided.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Even if one deposits AND withdraws by, say, MoneyGram?

I'm reluctant to provide that info even to 1st world countries like Australia.

I'm unwilling to do so for 2nd or 3rd World countries like Jamaica.

Even with the best of intentions a vengeful ex-employee could have harvested that info, and try to profit from it. Wonder how much the info on a US Drivers Licence is worth on the back alleys of Kingston?

I once asked BetJam why they did that. Thier reply: "We just want to know who our customers are."

Which requires a follow-up: "Why?" The books in CR don't need that info (and I would be out of there too if they ever did).

Ive been with Bookmaker for about 5 years....never once asked me for ID....only use **

dont send out your identity to play at a online book

only fools do that...its NOT a requirement

people that tell you it is have NO IDEA what they are talking about

and be really carefull with the books that tell you it is a "requirement"

[durito]

I must be a fool.

I like the book that holds all my money to confirm that they are actually sending it to me and not to some random.

[mathdotcom]

Little bit of paranoia here. What does a DL# really give someone?

[durito]

Little bit of paranoia here. What does a DL# really give someone?

Nothing.

All of that info is publicly available.

[ritehook]

Little bit of paranoia here. What does a DL# really give someone?

Name, DOB, photo

Other books do fine without this stuff. Pinnacle, if I recall rightly, did not so require for wds.

More I think about it, there likely is no law in Jamaica requiring it. And since major books get money to clients without such stuff, what's the real reason?

I know this guy who took his wife to the doctor, one he knew very well, and the doctor asked him to put his DL number on the co-pay check he wrote.

He told the doctor to forget about it. And paid cash.

I had a dentist ask me for my SS number, even though I told his secretary that I'd pay by credit card, which he accepts. WTF? I'm not giving my ss number out when I'm paying cash or with a CC.

SS numbers should only be given to banks, IRS and major credit card companies.

Even then, the more info out there the less secure you are. I recntly got a notice froma bank where I had an account (CD)maybe 4 years ago.

Actually, the note wasn't from the bank, but from the people who moved their disk receords from one placce to another. And lost the box of diisks (Yeah, right, lost. One of your asshole employees stole it and ran.)

So they're paying for three years of free CC reports from all 3 credit reporting companies. It's not the bank's fault they say.

No? Well, if my ID is stolen, assholes, I'll be suring both you and the bank. For being dumb enough to hire you.

Ain't no way I'm sending a DL to frikken Jamiica. Would you sent it to a book in Tijuana if that big book there started taking online bets from gringos?

Madness.

[TeamPlayer]

You can't live in a bubble

Ritehook,

Relax....how many times have you read about a customer of an A+ rated sportsbook suffering from identity theft directly because of the sportsbook? I haven't heard of 1 case and you haven't either. How many years have these books been in business?......10 - 15 years? Relax, go get laid, and you'll feel better in the morning

And NO, nothing is going to happen to you even if somebody knew your date of birth, your name and saw your photo. Are you going to hide that information from your future Girlfriend or Boyfriend and anybody else that you come in contact with? If so, you might as well live in a bubble

[BrianLaverty]

It IS a law in Jamaica that they require DL # to send money.

And if you can't trust BetJamaica or The Greek, you may as well not gamble offshore and either stop betting or move to Vegas.

[Scooter]

It IS a law in Jamaica that they require DL # to send money.

Link?

[ritehook]

Relax....how many times have you read about a customer of an A+ rated sportsbook suffering from identity theft directly because of the sportsbook? I haven't heard of 1 case and you haven't either

Which, TP, certainly does not mean it has not happened.

While some bettors come here to complain about a book screwing them - because SBR is well-knows as maybe the best place to get redress for that kind of grievance - it's not too likely anyone is gonna come here to bitch about stolen identity.

Esp if they can't prove (and they won't be able to) that a gambling place in Third World was responsible. SBR doeesn't deal in stolen ID issues.

And,the actual number of offhshore bettors who access any online sports or horse forum site is likely quite small, in relation to the total number who play.

I know that I won't bet with the Greek books because of that, and as I noted have talked with hardcore bettors who will likewise not do so.

I understand a book like Creditwager (is that the name?) would require that,so as to be able to put a deadbeat on their Wall of Shame. Tht's different, tho I wouldn't go near a credit wager site with your money.

I have to wonder if some bettors are so desperate to get their bets down tht they would send their fuggin social security number to the Gorilla Heaven Race & Sports Book deep in the Republic of Congo, if nothing much else was available to them.

Beware of Greeks - and Gorillas - Bearing Gifts . . . . Pass.

[Mudcat]

I remember a few years back when some players had funds vanish, all the threads were about how stupid the books were for not having more security around funds being removed from accounts.

This was not The Greek. I can't remember the book. Actually I think I remember but I don't want to guess and cast a bad light if I'm not 100% sure. Top book though. People's funds mysteriously vanished.

On the forums people were saying how simple it would be to just obtain ID and confirm identities - in short, everything that is being complained about here.

It was a pretty big forum topic - for about a week. Now it's gone. I'm sure even if I dug up some of those threads, no one would believe it could actually happen to them.



I realize this doesn't prove anything but I'll say it: I've been using offshore sportsbooks for about 15 years, the last 6 years full-time with on-line books. I've never had a problem as a result of sending my driver's license anywhere.

[topgame85]

Who the hell cares about sending an ID if you don't trust them then dont play there read the TOS before signing up at the book and then you will be fine, not that 95% of anyone on here has anything worth stealing anyways all degen gamblers probably would be good if someone messed with your credit maybe you could pass off a few of your actual debts as fraud when you contacted the credit bureau and it would work to your advantage

[harsh506]

Ritehook,

Relax....how many times have you read about a customer of an A+ rated sportsbook suffering from identity theft directly because of the sportsbook? I haven't heard of 1 case and you haven't either. How many years have these books been in business?......10 - 15 years? Relax, go get laid, and you'll feel better in the morning

And NO, nothing is going to happen to you even if somebody knew your date of birth, your name and saw your photo. Are you going to hide that information from your future Girlfriend or Boyfriend and anybody else that you come in contact with? If so, you might as well live in a bubble

Facebook can give u all that too.....

[TeamPlayer]

Facebook can give u all that too.....

hahahahahahah

[SlappyWhite]

Facebook can give u all that too.....

brilliant

[ritehook]

Any piece of info is gold to an identity thief.

I'm not on Facebook, etc. Anyone who puts such info up is an idiot.

I know someone who had theier identity stolen. It's the hassle of your life, and it continues for years.

I've never had funds stolen at books that don't require such personal info.

It's true that addited gamblers don't have much worth to steal. Likely most have already hit bottom.

But I do know addicted gamblers who have nonetheless reacted negatively when I mentioned that a high-rated book in Jamaica required a DL pic. Jamaica was a Brit colony at one time, but it's now about as British in morals and security as Detroit or Watts

But I believe many, including many on this board, would send their true SS number to a book for the "privilege" of betting. Man, gotta get those frikken bets in.

In fact, if memory serves, the Indian casino and sports book in Canada at one time (still?) was requiring an SS number for people to withdraw!!

And got it, from pathetic gamblers. Now, why would Tonto, up in Canada, want your SS number?

Fuk you, kemosabe.

[durito]

I've never once heard of a player having their identity stolen by a sportsbook.

You need to monitor your credit report monthly regardless of whether or not you send your id to Jamaica or put your name on facebook. (you realize thousands of people already have access to this info -- assuming you don't live in a cave),


I have several times heard of players having their money stolen when sportsbooks sent their balance to someone else posing as them. The sportsbook of course, didn't check id.

Sports gamblers are the most irrational group of people on earth.

[ritehook]

[QUOTE=durito;939312]I've never once heard of a player having their identity stolen by a sportsbook.

You need to monitor your credit report monthly regardless of whether or not you send your id to Jamaica or put your name on facebook. (you realize thousands of people already have access to this info -- assuming you don't live in a cave),


I have several times heard of players having their money stolen when sportsbooks sent their balance to someone else posing as them. The sportsbook of course, didn't check id.

Sports gamblers are the most irrational group of people on earth.[/QUOTE

I agree. Everyone should monitor thier credit.

However, evn a faxed ID is not going to stop a pro ID thief, if there is a big pile in a book waiting to be withdrawn. (And we know from the sad tales when BetOnSports went down that some bettors had incredible sums sittling in offshore gambling emporiums - $20k, 40k, I remember even hearing 75K. WTF?!)

An indentity thief with access to one of those chumps' username and pw could easily get a DL in his name.

There is one street in Los Angeles where anyone can get an expertly produced California DL - will fool all cops, until the computer check doesn't match, but BetJam can't get into CalifDMV computers so it will fool them.

Last i heard it costs about $250, maybe double that for gringos. With inflation,it might be higher now.

I think it dumb and self defeating for the Jam books to require it. It won't stop identity theives, and could make theives out of some of their own employees.

Jamaica is a Third World country. Maybe Second World at best. I know, durito, you know how life is in the third world. But for those that don't .. .

A year or two ago - I'm going strictly by memory here - it was reported on several bet sites, here maybe too, that all the Greek books were down.

Then some Jamaica govt offiical was quoted as saying that sports betting was not legal in Jamaica, and that the whole thing was being looked into.

Ok durito, let's explain to the more intelligent of the Hot Demo crowd (if that not be a oxymoron) what really came down, even if we weren't there.

The Jam govt knew damn well the Greek was operating in that country.

And that the reason for the surprise and "look into" and the web shutdown was that someone wanted more money. And that they didn't get it. And that they had the power to do a lot of mischief, harm to the enterprise.

A few days went by, as i recall. Then, without futher ado, the site was back up, and we heard no more expressions of surprise from govt officials about sports betting operations operating in their country.

3rd World stuff to the core. I don't even want the info on my DL where people like the pissed govt official can access it. It would have SOME value to ID thieves. Not as much as SS numbers, bank account pws, etc. But defintiely some value.

Any security anyone feels about the Jam books having this is, IMO, much outweighed by the very raw fact that these books are in a 3rd World Country.

I know how things work there. They can have my name and my address. And my cell phone #. If that ain't enough to secure my funds, fuk 'em.

Their high rating with SBR means little to me. I believe Cascade was once rated "A". And I would tend to trust a bit more an A book in CR, as i feel SBR, also in CR, has more of a handle on the books there than do in more distant lands.

But the Hot Demos can send their money anywhere they want. The intial purpose of my post was to see if the Greek books were still performing this fake policy. Clearly, the answer is yes.

All I really wanted to know.

[durito]

And we know from the sad tales when BetOnSports went down that some bettors had incredible sums sittling in offshore gambling emporiums - $20k, 40k, I remember even hearing 75K. WTF?

Players have had FAR larger balances than these stolen and many still have balances at many books that are much bigger.

[donjuan]

The intial purpose of my post was to see if the Greek books were still performing this fake policy. Clearly, the answer is yes.

Just because you refuse to be logical about the policy doesn't mean that it's a fake policy.

[SlappyWhite]

I think you are over reacting I work in network security bound by PCA standards and a driver's license copy and ID theft are two totally different things. The issue that is more worrisome with these books is most of them allow you to pass your credentials across and unencrypted connection, some of them don't even offer SSL. Others ask you for userid and password on the phone when you call for help, it would be easy of an employee to just write that down and run off with it or sell it. The DL copy is minuscule when compared to the other issues I see. True ID theft is not stealing an account or balance it is getting loans or working under another persons identity. You can stop this dead in its tracks by filing a freeze.

http://www.consumersunion.org/campaigns/learn_more/003484indiv.html

or applying for a ID monitoring service like lifelock or some other one that escapes me right now.


Honestly the DL is much ado about nothing. There are far more important pieces of info floating around. You offer them your address when you sign up. With a persons address and name you can get all the information contained on a DL for free to about 10 bucks depending on the state.

After reading your post though I don't think I can change you mind I am simply offering a rational counter opinion to the other readers.

[streetsjp8]

Even if you deposit through ** or ** and withdraw through **, you still have to send documents to both the Greek and BetJamaica?

I'm confused because I just asked a representative of BetJam through their Live Chat service and I was told you don't need to send anything to receive your payout as long as you do money transfers.

Can someone confirm this? I really don't want to sign up when I'm required to send my documents.

[durito]

You should probably not gamble then.