BetOnStars.com ensnared me !!!

[fixxer]

Now this completely solves the matter.
He is a cheater, and what the betting office did, was 100% percent corrent. End.

[fixxer]

There is a huge difference in taking a badly posted live odds (gamebookers, betandwin), or making a 7-multi, all with games that are already finished....I think there is no problem with the first, and the second is cheating....

[hoppa_long]

case close.....all in favour of the book

[Emmdoubleu]

The player just smelled bad from the start.

[Senator7]

Storal of the mory: If we expect books to always be fair to players, players should also remain fair to the books!

Senator 7

[HAPPY BOY]

all good end well me tarzan you jane?:surprised

[noyb]

funny... i still don't think it's ok for the bookie to confiscate all of the player's previous winnings, just because the player is trying to take advantage of a mistake made by the bookie.. i can well imagine betonstars not doing any business with the person involved in the future anymore, but just take several k's of (i presume) honestly earned winnings, i don't like it at all. if i were a bookie i would be jumping with joy right now.
but well, seems i am outnumbered on this one.

[Betonstar-ensnare-me]

Sorry for delay posting due to the difference of time.

OK ! are you wondering that could the books check the bets which winnings are over 1000$ (or winnings/bet amount = too big) ???

The games started in 8.30 am(EST) and ended 2 hours later.And I placed bet in that time (around 10.00 am).It mean they (Betonstars) had more than 9 hours for checking the time of the games as well as the invalid bets (include mine).So I'm sure 100% that they detected the error as grading the result of European soccer game (around 12-14 pm EST) and they cancelled my bet right after !

They completely didn't lose in this bet !

I met the error not once,in the past I met same at Wagerweb (Russisan soccer's lines) and Dimebetting (Italian soccer's line) and in both cases,my bets were cancelled and nothing happended.And I think other books will do the same if they made fault.

Please note that the content of 2 chat transcript.If they decided closing my account,they did it right after they detected the error.And also my deadline of 30 active days (Sept 19th).

I heard sometimes the books tried to close their customer's accounts after giving away free accounts.And in this case Betonstars had a good opportunity to do it,especially my balance is over 2500$ = 50 x 50 $ => too much for them.

Overall,there are 2 ways :



1- They did make the error by themself and that was a trap.After then they closed my account.



2- They did make the error and didn't know it.They detected the error before 8.30 pm Sunday and cancelled my bet

only,not closing.But when I have opinion of withdrawal,they decided that they need closing my account.



Both ways => concluse : they don't want to PAY ME !

Finally I state that the essence of this problem is not the amount of winnings,it's "THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY ME"

And I completely don't expect that I could get money back because of scam book like them.

[marc]

Ensnare me,

Believe me, the book didn't leave up the line, hoping that you would bet it. They made a mistake. You took a cheep shot. If someone drops thier wallet, you hvae a choice, you could either take the wallet, return the wallet, or do nothing. You chose to take the wallet. You hvae only yourself to blame for this.

One good reason to take all the money back, is so that they don't have to go to the trouble of examining all your other wagers to see how mnay times before did you bet on games that had already finished.

As the saying goes, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[Betonstar-ensnare-me]

From this link :

http://forum.bettingadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=36706&start=50

All right ! BetonStar don't admit that they made fault related on their lines grading => It's non-responsibility ! And what do you expect from the books like them ? Do you want give them your money when they could close your account even if they are the 1st fault-maker ?
My study state that the result of the "False" action have never been a "True" action.
Yes,my account is free account but if they had a plan of giving away accounts promo,is it needed ? Be careful,I am sure 80% of your accounts at there are FREE and it mean they could close your accounts as soon as they have a chance and they want !
For my account,it took 2 weeks to raise from 50$ into 900$ but only within 6 days later,my account balance was 4000$.What does it mean ? They was anxious ! And the problem have been occured !

[Terris]

I disagree with almost everything said here...

1. If someone drops a wallet, yes you have the choice to return it or not. But this is certainly a totally different matter, since either way YOU dont lose your money. The wallet owner wont come to your place and steal something.

2. It is the bookies mistake if they post a bad line, time, or whatever.
They have the right to cancel any wagers on it, and they can close accounts who took a chance.
A player doesnt have that freedom after placing a wrong bet he actually didnt want to, and realizes that later.
But the book is not satisfied with this, it uses its own mistake to gain money.

3. Some of the statements here make ensnared look like a bad guy, someone who is disliked by the players and the books. I find this very irritating.
Yes he made a mistake and paid for it, but this is too much.

4. Im no pro in such cases like SBR, but my common sense tells me again and again: a bookie cannot simply take all the money away, that actually had nothing to do with the bad line situation. They are not scared of fraud, they use it for their own advantage.
And i find it very strange that a lot of people seem to agree with this behaviour.

[Betonstar-ensnare-me]

I disagree with almost everything said here...

1. If someone drops a wallet, yes you have the choice to return it or not. But this is certainly a totally different matter, since either way YOU dont lose your money. The wallet owner wont come to your place and steal something.

2. It is the bookies mistake if they post a bad line, time, or whatever.
They have the right to cancel any wagers on it, and they can close accounts who took a chance.
A player doesnt have that freedom after placing a wrong bet he actually didnt want to, and realizes that later.
But the book is not satisfied with this, it uses its own mistake to gain money.

3. Some of the statements here make ensnared look like a bad guy, someone who is disliked by the players and the books. I find this very irritating.
Yes he made a mistake and paid for it, but this is too much.

4. Im no pro in such cases like SBR, but my common sense tells me again and again: a bookie cannot simply take all the money away, that actually had nothing to do with the bad line situation. They are not scared of fraud, they use it for their own advantage.
And i find it very strange that a lot of people seem to agree with this behaviour.

Yes,it is expensive ! They should cancel my bet and could funish me but closing my account and stealing all of my money is a different story.
I also willing agree with a penalty of 10% of invalid winnings (about 450$) as my apologize.
They are trying to end this problem soon but I will not allow them to do it without a good answer from them.
For Red Cross donation => I'm willing to so this with donate amount = 2550$ - 450$ (penalty amount) - 1000$ (my expected withdrawal amount) = 1100$.And this is my good intention !

[raiders72001]

I'm in Chicago. Try this with a local out here and not only will you not get your money but this will get a week in a hospital.

A book is generous enough to give you a free $50 account and you try to scam them. You don't deserve a thing.

[Terris]

**** chicago than good i dont live there, but americans are nuts in many things i heared *lol*

[raiders72001]

F*** scammers. I like the way things were taken care of years ago before the offshore books. You wouldn't dare try and pull a scam like this and if you won you were paid.

[Terris]

yeah pooor bookies, they are so helpless against this, while the players have full control over their money. But this leads to nothing, so im out of this one for good now.

[raiders72001]

Scammers are free to bash these books unmercifully on the posting formers for scams that they try to commit but the scammer should be protected from any consequences. LOL

[raiders72001]

SBR comes in and tries to help the player recoup funds. SBR is giving the player a free ride. The guy posted no money, tries to cheat the book, cries to the forum and asks SBR for help. This has to be one of the funniest threads that I've ever read.

[raiders72001]

Dozer- Can you change the title of this thread from "Betonstars.com ensnared me" to "I tried to cheat Betonstars and got caught"?

[Betonstar-ensnare-me]

Scammers are free to bash these books unmercifully on the posting formers for scams that they try to commit but the scammer should be protected from any consequences. LOL

Did you read all of this thread ? And did you know clearly the essence of this problem ?
Why do you always think that only me made fault ?
Please move your eyes to the book,did they make fault ? You think they didn't make fault completely.
And who made fault first ? I or they ?
And finally please have a comprehensive view in this case,don't look at me only.OK ?

[noyb]

i agree with terris completely.. especially the wallet-example is spot-on..

[raiders72001]

Betonstar- Books put up many betting options every day. All books make mistakes. When a mistake such as keeping lines up after the conclusion of a game it's an obvious error. By your own admission you knew the outcome before placing the bet.

You tried to cheat by playing games that were finished. The rules state that fraudelant activity can lead to funds being confiscated. If your case isn't fraudulant activity then I don't know what is.

[raiders72001]

Dozer- Before you keep trying to help this scammer out how about finding out how he turned a $50 free account into $2500 in a couple of weeks. If I had to bet I'd say he's gotten away with the scam a couple of times.

Now this clown comes into the forum and you automatically side with him. Did you do your homework and find out if he past posted anymore games?

I'd love to see a log of all his wagers.

[Bill Dozer]

Raiders,
Are you having a hard time following the thread?

If you go back to page #1 you will see that the book agreed to send the account balance to the Katrina Relief fund.

[raiders72001]

Why the hell did you force the book to couch up money for the hurricane fund? If they wanted to donate it should be their decision and not you forcing their hand.

Now back to the question. Did you ever look at a log to see if this scammer past posted before?

[tacomax]

Come on raiders, if you can't follow a 2-page thread why not get back to shilling for your own scam books instead?

Bill suggested donating the money to charity and the book agreed. Donating monies to charity is not unusal in cases such as this where money appears to have been won legitimately but turns out to be scammed. The book shows goodwill by paying out to charity and showing it's not the principle of paying out that is the issue, but the issue of paying to a scammer.

Super result, Bill.

Only one thing better than seeing a scam book getting their come-uppance - and that's seeing a scam player getting his just desserts.

[Emmdoubleu]

Whatever the outcome, hopefully, you are going stop attempting to cheat. You have admitted to doing this intentionally many other times with many other books. Here's hoping you move forward playing the game straight up.

[Bill Dozer]

I disagree with almost everything said here...

1. If someone drops a wallet, yes you have the choice to return it or not. But this is certainly a totally different matter, since either way YOU dont lose your money. The wallet owner wont come to your place and steal something.

2. It is the bookies mistake if they post a bad line, time, or whatever.
They have the right to cancel any wagers on it, and they can close accounts who took a chance.
A player doesnt have that freedom after placing a wrong bet he actually didnt want to, and realizes that later.
But the book is not satisfied with this, it uses its own mistake to gain money.

3. Some of the statements here make ensnared look like a bad guy, someone who is disliked by the players and the books. I find this very irritating.
Yes he made a mistake and paid for it, but this is too much.

4. Im no pro in such cases like SBR, but my common sense tells me again and again: a bookie cannot simply take all the money away, that actually had nothing to do with the bad line situation. They are not scared of fraud, they use it for their own advantage.
And i find it very strange that a lot of people seem to agree with this behaviour.

Terris,

I agree with most of this as well. The character of the player should not come into play. Whether the player pleads ignorance or admits to trying to take advantage of the book, a set of rules, or lack of, should be the biggest factor when deciding these cases. Too many times the "I feel the player tried to screw me" claim from the bookmaker is used. This is the neighborhood bookie approach and is not what you would expect from a business. Personal feelings should not come into play.

SBR has taken an aggressive stance toward books who have confiscated bonuses after using the incentive to attract its players. These otherwise decent sportsbooks, remove bonus funds claiming the player is not the type of player they desire. This is unacceptable as these players are not guilty of wrong-doing and the book is expected to at least prorate the bonus to avoid being accused of a bait n' switch. Obviously the house can not be allowed to wait to see if the investment is profitable or it wouldn't be an "investment"

When a player conclusively cheats or attempts to cheat the sportsbook we do not expect the book to send him on his way with his bonus and money won from that bonus.

If this happened next week the player would have already been eligible for a payout and the money would have been his. It would have been the equivalent of a deposit. Although this appears to be a formality, we would have been looking at a different case.

As mentioned earlier, the book has agreed to donate the funds and provide a receipt. The player has also contacted me to say that he appreciates this money going to charity vs. confiscated by BetonStars.

[Emmdoubleu]

Did you read all of this thread ? And did you know clearly the essence of this problem ?
Why do you always think that only me made fault ?
Please move your eyes to the book,did they make fault ? You think they didn't make fault completely.
And who made fault first ? I or they ?
And finally please have a comprehensive view in this case,don't look at me only.OK ?

BEM,

There is a big difference between an honest mistake of leaving a line up, and intentionally betting on games you know are completed. Hopefully you have the mental capacity to comprehend that.

[raiders72001]

EMM is 100% right.

Taxoman- You seem a little slow and I'm sorry to pick on those mentally challenged but I will anyways.

The book got defamed by a scammer. It's my opinion that he scammed to get his balance from $50 to $2500. If this is the case then the books name should be cleared and he should not be forced to donate the money.

I know that Dozer's heart is in the right place becasue he has brought up donating his own money in another conversation that we had.

[Halifax]

This may be the first "classic" thread at SBRForums.

Even the poster's name, 'Betonstar-ensnare-me', is classic.

[Halifax]

SBR has taken an aggressive stance toward books who have confiscated bonuses after using the incentive to attract its players. These otherwise decent sportsbooks, remove bonus funds claiming the player is not the type of player they desire. This is unacceptable as these players are not guilty of wrong-doing and the book is expected to at least prorate the bonus to avoid being accused of a bait n' switch. Obviously the house can not be allowed to wait to see if the investment is profitable or it wouldn't be an "investment"

Can I quote you on this .... oops, I already did.

I have a "situation" at the moment. I already talked to marc about it a bit ... I'll be sending him the full details later this afternoon.

[OldeTymePlaya]

I hate when people try to rip off a book and get stopped, they have to start threads like this. Have the class to just understand that your the problem, and you got busted and let it go.

It would be like a purse snatcher getting mad at his victim for cancelling her credit cards and starting a slander campaign about it.

[midnight]

I know this is my first post here. The link here was posted at another sports betting forum.

In the old home and backroom poker games I played in, when a guy got caught cheating, the best he could hope for was to have to leave the money he had on the table, then get shown the door and banned.

This guy got caught cheating. If I were Betonstars, the first thing I would do is check the entire account history --- especially the timestamps, compared to the game's start times --- and see if this person did the same thing in the past.

He admitted to cheating in the past at other places. He probably cheated to get his $2500.


He also threatened the book with bad P.R. in the forums. That's extortion as far as I'm concerned.

All of the above is classic behavior of a shot-taker and/or scammer. Cheat, then cry "wolf" when caught, then threaten to discredit the site if he isn't paid off. It's Bullsh*t, and everybody knows it.

He should get nothing. Zero. Nada. If I were Betonstars, I would also send this guys personal info to every sportsbook I do business with so that he can't screw them too.

[tacomax]

The book got defamed by a scammer. It's my opinion that he scammed to get his balance from $50 to $2500. If this is the case then the books name should be cleared and he should not be forced to donate the money.

It would be nice if you congratulated SBR, and Bill especially, for job well done instead of continually having a pop.

The book comes out of this looking good and SBR show that they do good work against not only the scam books but also the scam players. And the hurricane relief fund gets a boost to boot. Everyone's a winner.

Apart from the OP.