Admit it: Manning is better than Brady

[statnerds]

Or at least admit Manning is far more valuable to his team.

Brady goes down and Pats win 11 games with Cassel, Matt fukking Cassel, at QB!!!!! You know, Matt, career QB Rating of 84!!!! How is that 16-21 record working for you KC fans? at least half of the QB's in the league would be superstars as NE's QB.

Manning goes down, Colts have yet to win a game.

[doublej95]

Manning should win MVP this year.

[k13]

Brady just got lucky in life. If Bledsoe does not get injured we'd never hear his name.

[gryfyn1]

well manning is also the best coach on the Colts.

[bobby heenan]

Brady just got lucky in life. If Bledsoe does not get injured we'd never hear his name.

thats not true at all

if you knew anything about the patriots and belichick...youd know that change was coming sooner rather than later...belichick couldnt stand bledsoe as a qb...he took too many chances...had cinder blocks for feet and didnt try to manage the game....the change was coming soon....but bill felt a little pressure, especially early in his tenure, to play drew because he was the face of the franchise and had a big contract....at some point he was going to tell bob kraft it wasnt working for him

the patriots won 11 games with matt cassel because they had an extremely talented team around that was very well coached....this was a team that was a few minutes from doing something that was deemed impossible in the modern era

im a pats fan/season ticket holder...went out to indy in 07(last year of rca) and 08(first year of lucas oil)....the 07 game was a classic....and the fans around us, who were pretty vicious and taunting us, were shaking our hands at the end and telling us "hes better than peyton"

[HoulihansTX]

To prove Manning is great, you do not have to minimalize Brady's career in the same process.

[SportsMushroom]

so fukkin what?

lebron james left the cavaliers and they won only 14 games, does that mean lebron james is better than kobe or jordan? hell no

manning is the lebron of football, regular season stats whore, hiding under the bed peeing his pants in the post season, throwing his teammates under the bus when they lose

brady 3, manning 1, nuff said, manning is lucky his teammates overcame his horrible playoff play to win him a ring, so that he doesnt go down in history as a complete loser


brady is the only one of the two with the potential to add to the collection

[MarlinsFan2212]

Debatable.
If you put Brady on the Colts right now, they are a double-digit win team.
Peyton's value is skyrocketed because of the fact that their backup QBs are no-name scrubs. Curtis Painter couldnt even play in the UFL, nevermind NFL.

When Brady won his Superbowls he never had a great receiver. Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, and David Patten are all mediocre at best WRs. Daniel Graham, Fauria and Ben Watson are OK tight-ends, and even today he hasnt had an outstanding RB.

On the other hand Peytons always had an elite WR and TE. Harrison and Wayne were perennial pro-bowlers, Dallas Clark is an elite TE, and the RBs are comparable to Bradys.

I think its a toss-up between the two, but dont try to diminish Brady as a HOF QB.

[k13]

thats not true at all

if you knew anything about the patriots and belichick...youd know that change was coming sooner rather than later...belichick couldnt stand bledsoe as a qb...he took too many chances...had cinder blocks for feet and didnt try to manage the game....the change was coming soon....but bill felt a little pressure, especially early in his tenure, to play drew because he was the face of the franchise and had a big contract....at some point he was going to tell bob kraft it wasnt working for him

the patriots won 11 games with matt cassel because they had an extremely talented team around that was very well coached....this was a team that was a few minutes from doing something that was deemed impossible in the modern era

im a pats fan/season ticket holder...went out to indy in 07(last year of rca) and 08(first year of lucas oil)....the 07 game was a classic....and the fans around us, who were pretty vicious and taunting us, were shaking our hands at the end and telling us "hes better than peyton"

Yeah that's why they Signed Bledsoe for a $100 million, ten year deal so they could play a 6th round pick over him.

That injury saved the whole franchise. It's not like two years later Brady was going to start. They have nothing invested in him. Couple years go by and he's cut or traded for nothing. Goes to the Browns and is never heard from again because if Brady went to Browns he would suck.

[jjgold]

Manning has too much choke in him

Brady on Indy right now and they are like 5-2

[bobby heenan]

Debatable.
If you put Brady on the Colts right now, they are a double-digit win team.
Peyton's value is skyrocketed because of the fact that their backup QBs are no-name scrubs. Curtis Painter couldnt even play in the UFL, nevermind NFL.

When Brady won his Superbowls he never had a great receiver. Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, and David Patten are all mediocre at best WRs. Daniel Graham, Fauria and Ben Watson are OK tight-ends, and even today he hasnt had an outstanding RB.

On the other hand Peytons always had an elite WR and TE. Harrison and Wayne were perennial pro-bowlers, Dallas Clark is an elite TE, and the RBs are comparable to Bradys.

I think its a toss-up between the two, but dont try to diminish Brady as a HOF QB.

add the fact that manning was bred for this whole life....he was the man everywhere he went.....brady got benched because lloyd carr felt pressure to play a mega recruit in drew henson who had all the physical tools u look for.....brady and manning have different personalities no doubt....but when manning wins its like he feels a sense of relief....brady is fiery...and i think his teammates respond to him better...although both are respected immensely....brady started out as a game manager...and did what he had to do in order to gain bills confidence....he got it...and has developed into an elite qb who has complete trust of his coach and is a record setting passer now....the transformation from game manager to elite/hof qb to me is amazing

[rsnnh12]

The Cassel-led Patriots averaged 2 passing TDs per game less than the same team did with Brady. Cassel got sacked 25 more times than Brady did, behind the same offensive line. Brady helps make that line what it is. Darrelle Revis thinks it's genius how Brady controls the offense and that he's the best ever when he has time. Ray Lewis said that Brady turns the chess match into checkers because of how well he reads defenses. Joe Montana said he will go down as the best ever when he's done.

Sorry, but Manning doesn't beat that.

[bobby heenan]

Yeah that's why they Signed Bledsoe for a $100 million, ten year deal so they could play a 6th round pick over him.

That injury saved the whole franchise. It's not like two years later Brady was going to start. They have nothing invested in him. Couple years go by and he's cut or traded for nothing. Goes to the Browns and is never heard from again because if Brady went to Browns he would suck.

u know nothing about football in new england...if u knew anything you would have known that the change was coming soon anyway...with or without the injury...bledsoe took too many chances...too many downfield throws....had no pocket presence....bill was getting fed up....its even discussed in a book about bill.....drew was always well liked...but he was not prefered by bill...he was only playing him, early in his ne tenure, to please bob kraft....and if u read up on bill youd know that trying to please an owner, after his stint with modell in cleveland, was not going to be on his agenda for very long...its one of the reasons he took the new england job....he liked bob kraft and bob promised him he wouldnt meddle with him when it came to personnel decisions.....the change was coming....injury or not....but you keep standing by your story

[Lo-CalDallasBuKe]

Brady is bad ass HOF-er but if you had to choose one or the other, I would take P Manning.

[iifold]

Manning is limited...

So is Brady, but not as much...

Rodgers is better than both...

[dmncnlou]

Manning is an indoor arena league quarterback. Get him outdoors with the temperature below 40 degrees and dude chokes.

[arnoldrothstein]

Or at least admit Manning is far more valuable to his team.

Brady goes down and Pats win 11 games with Cassel, Matt fukking Cassel, at QB!!!!! You know, Matt, career QB Rating of 84!!!! How is that 16-21 record working for you KC fans? at least half of the QB's in the league would be superstars as NE's QB.

Manning goes down, Colts have yet to win a game.

I'll admit it you are a stupid fukk. Are you ppl fukking crazy. The colts organization sucks. Manning is a proven loser, always chokes in the big games always. Manning has had all the weapons his whole career, Harrison Wayne James addai Clarke. Brady won 3 fukking superbowls with nobody's. Name one fukking good receiver or RB on any of his teams. And the ******* guy had and undefeated season u stupid bastards

[Lo-CalDallasBuKe]

lol.. Randy Moss? Welker? Watson?

Wayne. & Clark hasn't been crap without Manning and who to say that Manning didn't make Harrison who he was.

Manning and Brady both made good players, GREAT.

I mean you can't really go wrong with either one.

[arnoldrothstein]

lol.. Randy Moss? Welker? Watson?

Wayne. & Clark hasn't been crap without Manning and who to say that Manning didn't make Harrison who he was.
Wow
Manning and Brady both made good players,
I mean you can't really go wrong with either one.

W
Wow your the dumbest **** of them all!!!!!! Name one Superbowl he won with moss or welker?????? And you said Watson ahahahahahaha ya he's a hall of famer

[ExposingLines247]

admit it your a jealous little nerd who very likely still is a virgin, worry about whose here nerd

[statnerds]

instead of asking how many Brady won without certain players on offense, ask how many he won WITHOUT a top 10 defense...

let me save you the time

zero.

[Lo-CalDallasBuKe]

Alright tough guy, calm down.

Do you want a hug?

Tom Brady is bad ass but he didn't win those Superbowl's himself. He has a good team with a great coaching staff.

As statnerd stated, he went down and his team still carried themselves alright.

Without Brady, how good would New England still be?

For the Colts, without Manning....... obviously you know how that story ends.

[BernardMadoff]

Of course Manning is better who said he wasnt.

[Holtgetsback]

Both are great

if I start a franchise from scratch Peyton is my pick

[ThaTopMoron]

thats not true at all

if you knew anything about the patriots and belichick...youd know that change was coming sooner rather than later...belichick couldnt stand bledsoe as a qb...he took too many chances...had cinder blocks for feet and didnt try to manage the game....the change was coming soon....but bill felt a little pressure, especially early in his tenure, to play drew because he was the face of the franchise and had a big contract....at some point he was going to tell bob kraft it wasnt working for him

the patriots won 11 games with matt cassel because they had an extremely talented team around that was very well coached....this was a team that was a few minutes from doing something that was deemed impossible in the modern era

im a pats fan/season ticket holder...went out to indy in 07(last year of rca) and 08(first year of lucas oil)....the 07 game was a classic....and the fans around us, who were pretty vicious and taunting us, were shaking our hands at the end and telling us "hes better than peyton"

Me too... and of course you leave out the 09 game in Indy, or you didn't go to it.... you know, the 4th and 2 17 pt 4th quarter comeback game....

[Naz18]

Cassell is 1st round talent.

[StackinGreen]

Learn something, useful idiots:

Here are some facts on Peyton's SuperBowl run. Fact 1: He's one of only 2 QBs in history to have 2 consecutive playoff games with just 1 TD and 5 INTs and still advance to win the SuperBowl (the other being Bradshaw). How's that for being carried by your defense? Fact 2: He is the ONLY SuperBowl winning QB in history to throw for more than twice as many INTs(7) than TDs(3) in their SuperBowl playoff run. Fact 3: He had the lowest rating (70.4) EVER for a SuperBowl winning QB at the end of their playoff run. Yes, lower than Dilfer. Lower than Johnson. Fact 4: He's the ONLY SuperBowl winning QB in history to win a playoff game without scoring an offensive TD during their SuperBowl playoff run. They kicked all FGs to win (Ravens). Talk about relying on your kicker and defense. And lastly Fact 5: He had the lowest rating in his SuperBowl than other SuperBowl MVP in history (81.8). How do you Peyton fans like those apples? You'll never hear that on ESPN.

[Zodiac666]

I'll admit it (although both are top notch), it's just with Manning you have the coach right there on the field to read the D and change it up at the last second, I hope he comes back, my favorite player in the NFL to watch!

[Lo-CalDallasBuKe]

Learn something, useful idiots: Here are some facts on Peyton's SuperBowl run. Fact 1: He's one of only 2 QBs in history to have 2 consecutive playoff games with just 1 TD and 5 INTs and still advance to win the SuperBowl (the other being Bradshaw). How's that for being carried by your defense? Fact 2: He is the ONLY SuperBowl winning QB in history to throw for more than twice as many INTs(7) than TDs(3) in their SuperBowl playoff run. Fact 3: He had the lowest rating (70.4) EVER for a SuperBowl winning QB at the end of their playoff run. Yes, lower than Dilfer. Lower than Johnson. Fact 4: He's the ONLY SuperBowl winning QB in history to win a playoff game without scoring an offensive TD during their SuperBowl playoff run. They kicked all FGs to win (Ravens). Talk about relying on your kicker and defense. And lastly Fact 5: He had the lowest rating in his SuperBowl than other SuperBowl MVP in history (81.8). How do you Peyton fans like those apples? You'll never hear that on ESPN.

It is hard to take your post seriously when this is your first sentence "Learn something, useful idiots:"

[dmncnlou]

^^^^ And don't forget the year he threw 49 touchdowns; he put up a whopping 3 points at NE in the AFC Championship game. Like I said, you get Peyton Manning outdoors and dude will choke!

[rsnnh12]

I'll admit it (although both are top notch), it's just with Manning you have the coach right there on the field to read the D and change it up at the last second, I hope he comes back, my favorite player in the NFL to watch!

You should really watch more Brady, because he does the same shit

[StackinGreen]

It is hard to take your post seriously when this is your first sentence "Learn something, useful idiots:"

It's hard to take facts seriously?

Thanks for proving my point.

[MC PICKS]

Skillwise yes peyton is far superior then brady, brady just has better coaching and overall supporting cast, therefore the 3-1 super bowl advantage.

[ThaTopMoron]

How many SBs has Manning (4) and Brady (2) won in the years that they win the MVP Award?

0.

Brady & Pats will not come up short like Peyton & Colts, when Tom has the great offense but only an average D and not as clutch of a kicker... coaching staff worse than 2001-2004...he will still come out ahead!!!

2007... 2009... 2010 and 2 Regular season MVP awards later... 0 Super Bowls, and 2 game losing streak at home in playoffs

oh and don't forget blowing an 18 pt lead in the 06 AFCCG... just another record for Tommy

[dynamite140]

BEen that for a while