Everytime I read what an NBA player thinks about the lockout...

**TehSharp** · 10-24-11, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

There are leagues in Europe and Asia that can absorb them. And they can have endorsement deals over there. Most basketball shoes and jerseys are sold overseas and not in the US. Trust me they won't be flipping burgers. There is a team in Italy who offered Kobe $600,000 per game he plays this year and they are not bullshitting.

This kind of thinking is why most of the public knows nothing about what is holding this deal up. IT"S NOT LEBRON! It's all the midlevel players making 5 mil a year; can't get any endorsements and can't make more then 800,000/year playing in Europe. Its the equivalent of making 50k/year and then working at Burger King. Kobe is one player. There are hundreds of players other than them. But it's cool, way to be a hater in general

**bettilimbroke999** · 10-24-11, 01:31 PM

Agreed, ppl need to stop talking about what Kobe and Lebron are being offered, clearly they will be fine regardless if another NBA game is ever played or not, but theres 450 other players in the league the vast majority of which are not being offered the 5 mil "average" a year that the NBA pays them

There are not 450 open spots paying 5 mil a year average in Europe and Asia, the NBA pays unbelievably well compared to basketball abroad and if the players have a brain they will get a deal done quick and quit tryin to have the season cancelled over a 2.5% difference in salary when they're gonna have to take either an 80% cut to play overseas or a 100% for those that there are no open spots

**TehSharp** · 10-24-11, 01:42 PM

And I'm sorry, I've stated this several times on SBR, but it needs to be said again. The owners aren't blameless. They do tend to throw too much money at average players. However, perfect example. If the Magic didn't give Rashard Lewis a 100 million dollars, someone else would have given him 90 million. Both are too much. Guaranteed contracts and the length of these contracts are is what is driving up the price for role players. The big money may need to come down a little, but the midlevel money REALLY needs to come down.

A salary cap style system also needs to come into effect. The only reason the players are against this is once again...the money. They know if there is a cap or a big luxury tax, they won't get paid as much. The main issue is, the players know they're paid way too much and they don't want to give it back. I would guess that 85% of players who aren't name Kobe, lebron, ect don't know what the word budget means, let alone know how to set one. Hell, my girlfriend told me that Lamar Odom pays for like his entire families rent. Think he can sustain that without a season? Hopefully se saved some of that 10 mil a year that he isn't worth either.

**KEdge2k** · 10-24-11, 01:55 PM

The owners are not blameless. The players are not blameless. There is no "good side" here.

But the fact of the matter remains -- the players will lose here. They are delusional if they think they can keep everything they got in the last few deals. I heard Blake Griffin on Simmons' podcast make the stupidest analogy ever with regard to this lockout. If all the players think like him -- and I have to imagine he didn't come up with that ridiculous analogy himself -- then shame on them. For them to say a 50-50 split isn't a fair deal, in this economy? Have fun selling that to the public.

The owners are the employers. They are the ones cutting the checks that the players love to cash so quickly. They will win, and they should.

**bettilimbroke999** · 10-24-11, 02:27 PM

Guys like Rashard Lewis, Arenas, Eddy Curry, etc etc etc that basically get paid 15+ mil a year to do nothing with their long-term guaranteed contracts have gotta be praying they get a deal done so they can go back to getting their 500k a week for nothing checks.

Does anyone know the specifics, I mean if a player like Arenas has 5 years 90 mil on his guaranteed contract and the NBA gets cancelled for 2 years and he of course doesnt get paid does he come back and have 3 years 54 mil? I mean how does it work?

**BetterBizness** · 10-24-11, 02:30 PM

Pretty soon all the players will be working in McDonalds the way they make it sound...

I hate both sides... but in this case, I am hating the players a bit more at the moment... Only thing I'm going to miss is the betting...

**Tree Rollins** · 10-24-11, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by KEdge2k

The owners are not blameless. The players are not blameless. There is no "good side" here. But the fact of the matter remains -- the players will lose here. They are delusional if they think they can keep everything they got in the last few deals. I heard Blake Griffin on Simmons' podcast make the stupidest analogy ever with regard to this lockout. If all the players think like him -- and I have to imagine he didn't come up with that ridiculous analogy himself -- then shame on them. For them to say a 50-50 split isn't a fair deal, in this economy? Have fun selling that to the public. The owners are the employers. They are the ones cutting the checks that the players love to cash so quickly. They will win, and they should.

What was the analogy?

**tad0matic** · 10-24-11, 07:05 PM

I hope the lockout continues for the whole season, maybe that will put a few of them in their place for a change. arrogant, entitled, pricks they are. The best part will be when two or three of them acutally realize that not alot of people really care about the NBA anymore.

**vyomguy** · 10-24-11, 07:26 PM

lockout not looking good.

**MC PICKS** · 10-24-11, 08:57 PM

I could care less if it ever comes back, college ball is more entertaining to watch and easier to make money off of betting.

**stevenash** · 10-24-11, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by keyboarding

You do know MMA is a sport while WWE is a company, right?

You know WWE was a sport for decades before it was a company, right.

MMA, which is just as rigged, will be a company soon too.

**keyboarding** · 10-24-11, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

You know WWE was a sport for decades before it was a company, right.

MMA, which is just as rigged, will be a company soon too.

World Wrestling Entertainment was never a sport. It was a company that broadcasted fake wrestling, which also is not a sport, on account of it not being real.

MMA is a sport. UFC is a company that broadcasts this sport.

Not sure what you aren't getting here.

**pavyracer** · 10-24-11, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by keyboarding

World Wrestling Entertainment was never a sport. It was a company that broadcasted fake wrestling, which also is not a sport, on account of it not being real.

MMA is a sport. UFC is a company that broadcasts this sport.

Not sure what you aren't getting here.

He is saying the outcome of the fights is rigged. It doesn't mean the punches and the kicks are not real.

**keyboarding** · 10-24-11, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

He is saying the outcome of the fights is rigged. It doesn't mean the punches and the kicks are not real.

And are you saying the kicks and punches in WWE matches are real? Are you being serious right now?

**stevenash** · 10-25-11, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by keyboarding

And are you saying the kicks and punches in WWE matches are real? Are you being serious right now?

Ask Stone Cold Steve Austins if that tombstone piledriver which he recieved from Owen Hart that broke his neck for real at Summerslam 13 years ago was fake.

I got dozens more if you are interested.

You think MMA is squeaky clean?
Did Jardine get screwed in his fight with Bonnar.
Jardine reduced him to rubble.

Fedor v. Coleman was a total work, like Undertaker v. Big Show.
Watch that fight again, Fedors arm bar was as tight as a wet noodle, yet Coleman tapped like his arm was broken.
Give me a break, I have seen better works in the WWE.

Every fight Takada have been in is a total work.

Cut the crap MMA = WWE

**Spaceman Spiff** · 10-25-11, 07:40 AM

lol at MMA being rigged. I guess the guy who loses just lets a guy kick him in the head and knock him out, or break his arm.

**stevenash** · 10-25-11, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

lol at MMA being rigged. I guess the guy who loses just lets a guy kick him in the head and knock him out, or break his arm.

Dude, only a retard believes MMA is one hundred percent squeaky clean.

Dozens of fights are nothing but works.

I bet you are posting right now in your Bad Boy Vale Tudo jammies right now,wearing your just tap out yo tee shirt.

lol @ MMA is real.

I can name a dozen fights that were rigged, I bet you could not disprove me.

**KEdge2k** · 10-25-11, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

What was the analogy?

Not the exact quote from the podcast, but it was something along these lines:

Blake Griffin: "Bill, imagine you have a house full of stuff. Furniture, paintings, kitchen stuff, bed, dressers, everything. Now imagine someone comes into your house and takes everything you own. That person then comes to you and says "OK, I'll give you back your dresser." Two weeks later says, "OK, here, fine, I'll give you back one of your paintings." That's what's going on here with the lockout, Bill. After a while you say, "wait, but I own all this stuff you are taking, and now you are acting like you are doing a favor by giving it back to me?"

Something along those lines, not exact.

**KEdge2k** · 10-25-11, 09:34 AM

I'm the biggest WWE fan likely on these boards -- hell, I got the boot from Tony at 5dimes because he refused to correctly grade a WrestleMania match ticket that I had legitimately won by his rules at +1000 -- but WWE is not a sport. It's just not. There's an athletic component to it, but its not a legitimate competition.

**Lo-CalDallasBuKe** · 10-25-11, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

lol at MMA being rigged. I guess the guy who loses just lets a guy kick him in the head and knock him out, or break his arm.

Bring back memories.

**MC PICKS** · 10-25-11, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

You know WWE was a sport for decades before it was a company, right. MMA, which is just as rigged, will be a company soon too.

Agreed, MMA is a show just like wrestling where the outcomes are predetermined.

**keyboarding** · 10-25-11, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by stevenash

Ask Stone Cold Steve Austins if that tombstone piledriver which he recieved from Owen Hart that broke his neck for real at Summerslam 13 years ago was fake.

So to prove how real WWE is you show an example where a wrestler accidentally hurts another guy? Do you understand that's a botched move and his intention wasn't to hurt him at all? It's because none of it is real.

Am I seriously having a discussion about how WWE is real and a legitimate sport? This is fukking insane.

Let's see you match any of these pictures with a WWE example:

**stevenash** · 10-25-11, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by KEdge2k

but WWE is not a sport. It's just not.

Not now, used to be though.

**KEdge2k** · 10-25-11, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Not now, used to be though.

No. It was never a sport. Not even back in the day. It's been pre-determined outcomes since Day 1. You cannot be a sport if your outcomes are pre-determined. You are nothing more than an entertainment show at that point.

**jsmithj88** · 10-26-11, 04:39 PM

get outta here, WWE was never a real sport
its a show

**TehSharp** · 10-26-11, 06:04 PM

Umm I'm sorry, didn't know this was a discussion about the WWE being locked out...

**chantrain** · 10-26-11, 06:51 PM

Every time I read what a fan thinks of the NBA lockout....I want to shoot myself in the face. How about that? stfu.

Last I checked this is a LOCKOUT, not a strike, and the owners can't even agree with EACH OTHER. How are you gonna blame the players if the owners can't even come to an agreement?

BTW, Derrick Rose is underpaid. It's his 3rd season and he's still on his rookie contract, he's making 5 million...

**wtt0315** · 10-26-11, 06:53 PM

the people that are hurting are the ones who sell hot dogs or do parking or work the min wage at the stadiums. They dont have jobs right now and a lot of these people live day to day

**chantrain** · 10-26-11, 07:04 PM

are you saying it's hard to find a job selling hotdogs or parking cars?

**keyboarding** · 10-26-11, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by chantrain

are you saying it's hard to find a job selling hotdogs or parking cars?

**pavyracer** · 10-26-11, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by wtt0315

the people that are hurting are the ones who sell hot dogs or do parking or work the min wage at the stadiums. They dont have jobs right now and a lot of these people live day to day

McDonald's ain't hiring? They fukking sell hot dogs. How hard is it to get a job selling food that only needs to be boiled for 5 minutes and put in a ban with some ketchup on top?

**TehSharp** · 10-27-11, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by chantrain

Every time I read what a fan thinks of the NBA lockout....I want to shoot myself in the face. How about that? stfu.

Last I checked this is a LOCKOUT, not a strike, and the owners can't even agree with EACH OTHER. How are you gonna blame the players if the owners can't even come to an agreement?

BTW, Derrick Rose is underpaid. It's his 3rd season and he's still on his rookie contract, he's making 5 million...

For every 1 Derrick Rose, there are 50 Gilbert Arenas

You're right. It started as a lockout, but it has turned into a strike. The players were offered a 50/50 split which would still pay them billions and they are holding out because they have been brainwashed to believe they are all worth millions. It started with the owners, now its on the players

**Bluehorseshoe** · 10-27-11, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by chantrain

Every time I read what a fan thinks of the NBA lockout....I want to shoot myself in the face. How about that? stfu.

Last I checked this is a LOCKOUT, not a strike, and the owners can't even agree with EACH OTHER. How are you gonna blame the players if the owners can't even come to an agreement?

BTW, Derrick Rose is underpaid. It's his 3rd season and he's still on his rookie contract, he's making 5 million...

Derrick Rose is underpaid? When the owners get a crystal ball on how well a player is going to play in the future, then you have a case. He signed a contract, HONOR IT! Nobody put a gun to his head to play for that kind money. If he didn't like the deal, he could have gone straight to Europe, but no. He wanted to play in the NBA. You know he'll get his pay day on the next contract and when he signs that monster contract and God forbid he has an off year, you think he's giving any of that money back????? **** no!

The people who are blindly taking the player's side are like girlfriends who are complaining all the time. You don't like the relationship??? Leave!!!

**GenosPicks** · 10-29-11, 11:07 AM

Hey guys i know it's 10 days old, but i wrote a bunch of great one liners about the lockout when it hit day 100 like

Wow, 101 days? The NBA strike has hit more days than Ron Artest has Pistons fans.... plenty more at Geno's Takes for October 19 2011http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...19-2011-a.html

**SharpAsASkunk** · 10-29-11, 02:22 PM

Agreed, MMA is a show just like wrestling where the outcomes are predetermined.

Absolutely ridiculous! Although there may have a few times where fights have been suspected of fixing (ie, Kimbo), overall MMA is as legitimate as any other major sport. The outcomes in WWE are without a doubt predetermined but the injuries are for real.