What book do you feel SBR over or under rates??

SBR Lou · 07-26-08, 04:50 PM

Payouts a breeze at 5Dimes, I'd say since they tailor their action more toward recreational to medium sized players, if they maybe implemented a better bonus structure they could make the push to an A+. Either way, never have to worry with them.

durito · 07-26-08, 04:51 PM

Matchbook should be A or A+

5dimes is B+/A-

bigboydan · 07-26-08, 04:51 PM

I feel Jazz is underrated. They are a very solid out along with very upfront rules for professional players.

Panic · 07-26-08, 04:53 PM

From all the complaints i've seen. I would say BoDog is overrated.

mtneer1212 · 07-26-08, 04:54 PM

Overrated: Bookmaker (Customer Service), Bodog (Payouts Speed), The Pig (Betting Interface)

Underrated: BlackDog (Great CS), Wagerstreet/BetallSports (Good Betting Interface)

SBR_John · 07-26-08, 05:02 PM

Yea poor Bodog. Last I heard they were going to explain their processing issues. Guess it didnt go too well because they were lowered to B. Too bad.

Jazz is a straight shooter. Very thin on the post up side but then again so is a book like Legendz. Not sure about them but I could see B+ instead of B.

Matchbook needs to be raised, thats a good one.

frostno98 · 07-26-08, 05:05 PM

BetPop should be a B from B-

rjt721 · 07-26-08, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

My sleeper is 5Dimes as under rated, could be an A+. Not as big as the other A+'s but a long solid track record.

That would be a mistake.

purecarnagge · 07-26-08, 05:05 PM

Skybook should be a solid B+ or A-... no real reason to keep them down...they don't have very many complaints for how large of a book they are.

They do have some late lines at times and not as many prop bets as other sites, but who said you had to to run a quality book? Moneybookers is the only thing holding them back and lets face it who wants to deal with a third party between you and your book anyways???

pavyracer · 07-26-08, 05:17 PM

BETUS is very underated. They should be A+ like creditwagering is A+

SBR_John · 07-26-08, 05:34 PM

Skybook is a good one, a former A- that had some internal issues and dropped back as I recall.

You know BetUS is at D+ and they have done a decent job lately as far as I can tell. Maybe a C- book now??

Not familiar with Betpop.

InTheHole · 07-26-08, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

My sleeper is 5Dimes as under rated, could be an A+. Not as big as the other A+'s but a long solid track record.

I deal with two books, Dimes and Bookmaker. The MLB lines at Bookmaker are horrible...not sharp...horrible. I still don't understand the logic behind charging loyal customers 100 dollars to do an interbook when most others do it for free. Today was the first time I noticed a better line than dimes. On the other hand, I prefer them when it comes to spreads where their numbers are comparable to other books. I find their CS and loyalty program to be nice and I don't see that going away for me becausemy action would never net me more that 8-9k a year.

flyingillini · 07-26-08, 06:19 PM

Underrated by far is HERITAGE

frostno98 · 07-26-08, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Skybook is a good one, a former A- that had some internal issues and dropped back as I recall.

You know BetUS is at D+ and they have done a decent job lately as far as I can tell. Maybe a C- book now??

Not familiar with Betpop.

Yikes, betus getting a C-, Now that's a pretty scary endorsement.

thejrichshow85 · 07-26-08, 06:30 PM

Sbgglobal.com...always paid me 6 years running NOT A SINGLE PROBLEM i understand others have had problems but they do not deserve a D-...im thinking a C and ill be happy lol

thejrichshow85 · 07-26-08, 06:37 PM

would have to say thegreek is overratted ...any book who takes 8 hours to get a western union deposit in you account does not deserve an A+ but thats not why im mad...why i think they are overratted is becasue the 3rd time i called back to check on the western union the woman was rude these were her words "DID'NT I JUST TELL YOU ARE SYSTEM IS DOWN?" then i said that was 2 hours ago then she hung up...any cs that hangs up on you over something so simple does not deserve an A+

durito · 07-26-08, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by thejrichshow85

Sbgglobal.com...always paid me 6 years running NOT A SINGLE PROBLEM i understand others have had problems but they do not deserve a D-...im thinking a C and ill be happy lol

they just stole $500,000 from someone. they should be F.

SBR Lou · 07-26-08, 06:51 PM

Betpop's rating is where it belongs. Good out for recreational to medium players, pros likely won't last there long but they do pay and fast. Recently raised their check fees to $55 per, decent wagering options and exceptional reload bonuses. They coldcall a hell of a lot though.

bigboydan · 07-26-08, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by durito

they just stole $500,000 from someone. they should be F.

Not to mention this B.S.

10/21/2007 08:49 PM 

<div>BetRoyal (SBR rating D-) ends "fraud investigation;" steals winnings BetRoyal confiscates what is estimated to be just over six figures in winnings from 18 players that were also subscribers to the same sports handicapping service. The book paid a tout to refer these players to BetRoyal. The players, which were clearly sourced from the pick service, made money playing the pay-for picks at BetRoyal. BetRoyal was later purchased by SBG Global (SBR rating D-) in June. SBG was asked if they wanted to continue doing business with these winning customers by both the pick service and the players' account manager. SBG management was able to review the account activity and reaffirm that they wanted to book action from these players. The house continued to lose on these plays until management froze the accounts for an "investigation." SBG is known for freezing accounts prior to confiscating funds. This tactic is used to guage backlash from users and the negative effect on current marketing investments; legitimze the claim that there may have been fraud and something to actually investigate, and to simply stall from having to deal with victims when they are most upset. | <a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);" href="/SR.aspx?s=sbg">Recent SBG Global theft</a>

battered balls · 07-26-08, 11:46 PM

Pinnacle A+++, the best BY FAR
Matchbook A+, really is a top out and deserves A+ grade
Legendz/Pig C, I have no clue what SBR sees in these books

Nicky Santoro · 07-26-08, 11:50 PM

sbg global stiffed me for huge money.. they told me they will not pay me.. for no reason. stiff artists.

cris should go to D- at best. with their not honoring the 1% rebate and outright lying to me that if i send a certain amount they would give it to me, then once they received it, took it away.., AND with their 240 dollar fee to transfer a few dimes to matchbook

this book deserves to be a D-..

i hate betcris/bookmaker..

WileOut · 07-27-08, 12:25 AM

Mr. John I also believe that matchbook should be rated higher. I think A+ is warranted for them. For me they have filled the void of Pinnacle moreso than any other book/exchange. Also they are unique other than their sister site WSEX in that they offer in game live betting which is very exciting. But 1st and foremost they are very safe. Thank you for this thread to hear us out sir.

SBR_John · 07-27-08, 01:53 AM

Yea i agree on Matchbook.I know back in the day we had a hard time with exchanges. Pariaction failed and Mansion lost a fortune but that was then and this is now. Agreed they need an upgrade. WileOut's point about being WSEX's "sister" should entitle them to an A+ is a good point. However, they are not run by WSEX mgmt and are not wholly owned by WSEX either. But on their own merits they are worthy of A to A+ I would think.

Always liked heritage. Honorable and straight. Not sure if they are allowing US customers without strings. I noticed VIP was lowered lately. Its hard to hang a strong rating on these books that do not seem to have any growth in the near future.

BetCRIS and theGreek are solid A+ books that act as clearing houses and risk absorbers for the industry. With the fees and cs maybe they are not for everyone. But if you run your balance way up there are no better books to be in.

Legendz and BetOnline, both recieved upgrades last year. We trust Legendz mgmt and think BOL is moving in the right direction. Overall, bullish on these two books located in Panama. Both are strong operators who we think will have fewer processing issues in Panama.

Dark Horse · 07-27-08, 04:11 AM

Matchbook is a solid A. Not sure about A+ for exchanges. Money is safe, odds are great, but limited options compared to regular books. I think that finding out how to offer a greater variety of bets, while not undermining liquidity, should be the next challenge for an exchange. Example: NFL props aren't going to attract a whole lot of action, but why not put them up and let bettors decide? That would be a service to the betting public, because the odds on standard props offered by books aren't pretty.

If I have a sleeper for books that could make the jump from the B's to the A's in the next year or so, it has to be BetPhoenix. Entered SBR ratings last October at B-. Good entrance. Joined SBR Odds recently. Another plus. But they're still veiled in mystery. Who are they? What kind of track record do they have (Asia, low juice), does SBR feel they're solid enough (lines and financial strength) to offer low juice? Only book right now that I really want to learn more about. Hard to form a clear picture from little bits and pieces.

Justin7 · 07-27-08, 08:39 AM

I agree that Matchbook might be due for a promotion. Not only are there no payout issues, but their liquidity on major sports is substantial. They are now a "must-have" out for pros on the same scale as pinny.

starnounours · 07-27-08, 09:01 AM

my dreamer is

to see 24sportsweb from C- to E

because their "no deposit no required 25$" was a big scam

they give me terms and rules after many days and after 13 bets and when i ask a withdrawal

of course terms and rules can't be to respect

they send me an email to tell me they will find a solution

i'm always waiting !

24sportsweb on E

SBR_John · 07-27-08, 09:02 AM

Can't help you on BetPhoenix, not familiar with them.

Tsoprano · 07-27-08, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by thejrichshow85

would have to say thegreek is overratted ...any book who takes 8 hours to get a western union deposit in you account does not deserve an A+ but thats not why im mad...why i think they are overratted is becasue the 3rd time i called back to check on the western union the woman was rude these were her words "DID'NT I JUST TELL YOU ARE SYSTEM IS DOWN?" then i said that was 2 hours ago then she hung up...any cs that hangs up on you over something so simple does not deserve an A+

It was probably for your own good, you probably pissed it all away when it was put in your account. They were just savoring the moments of you owning that $300.

Your defending a book (SBG) that has scammed the world. I guess bad books pay out lousy people only?

Greek is a fantastic book all around!!

SBR Lou · 07-27-08, 09:45 AM

Every book regardless of their rating has a few bad customer service apples. Mostly the poor performing clerks are the locals hired in whatever countries, they really don't think for themselves, they read off a script, and always seem to need to ask someone else before answering one of your questions. I'm not saying that locals in other countries don't end up climbing the ladder ever, but in general the American clerks just seem to be quicker on their feet and more pleasant to live chat with.

purecarnagge · 07-27-08, 10:07 AM

Skybook is definately a must have out for 1/2 pt. Alot of people have them as a secondary book, and skybook hasn't had a complaint that I've seen in a thread on here.

Betus has been slow paying people again. They called me the other day two. This book belongs at a d-. They don't take there customers seriously...they have a we'll get to it attitude.

robmpink · 07-27-08, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by purecarnagge

Skybook is definately a must have out for 1/2 pt. Alot of people have them as a secondary book, and skybook hasn't had a complaint that I've seen in a thread on here.

Betus has been slow paying people again. They called me the other day two. This book belongs at a d-. They don't take there customers seriously...they have a we'll get to it attitude.

I liked Skybppk for the most part. I had two problems though last year. The lines page wouldn't load for mr when the traffic was high. After about 5 complaints thet finally gave me a mirror site, which worked. The others is the3 first half/second half college lines. Slim pickins to say the least. I don't think they offer totals on some.

SexyMit · 07-27-08, 11:15 AM

Where's Rhichas? Creditwagering A+++ book a must have out

SBR_John · 07-27-08, 03:29 PM

24sportsweb not familiar with them. Goofy names always bothered me though.

How about Intertops? Currently at B+. This book was an A book many years ago then dropped back to the upper C's. The last couple of years they have done a great job imo. Same deal with Carib at B, another A book that fell back due to legal problems and mgmt problems but has done a great job for a good while now.

bigboydan · 07-27-08, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

24sportsweb not familiar with them. Goofy names always bothered me though.

How about Intertops? Currently at B+. This book was an A book many years ago then dropped back to the upper C's. The last couple of years they have done a great job imo. Same deal with Carib at B, another A book that fell back due to legal problems and mgmt problems but has done a great job for a good while now.

is a sportsbook that is part of the InstantActionSports family of books. I've never played there personally, so I can't give you any type of personal experience. However, I would assume that they are virtually the same as InstantActionSports, which recently just had a fairly big dispute resolved not to long ago. Below you I've posted what the dispute was about:

InstantActionSports (SBR rating C) confiscates winnings, earned bonuses

The sportsbook sent an email to two account holders stating that they will not honor a "50% moneybookers bonus and winnings from the bonus due to sharp play" after the bettors won wagers and already completed their rollover wagering requirements. SBR has contacted sportsbook management stating that retroactively voiding wagers and deducting bonuses after the requirements have been met is considered theft. SBR has asked IAS to reconsider this decision and employ better risk management and more appropriate bonus terms. SBR advises sportsbooks to identify undesireable play as soon as possible and prorate the bonus before parting ways with the customer. The players have pointed out that they would have placed the wagers at a different sportsbook with deposited funds had IAS declined to service them. A final decision from InstantAction is expected tomorrow.

As far as Intertops goes. I haven't read anything bad about them at all lately John. In fact they have some very nice deposit methods for U.S. players. The complaint I have about them at all is I think there software sucks.