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[element1286]

My only argument is that global warming does not exist. Going green is cool I guess. Take your bike if you can etc. The time humans have been on Earth has not even made a dent in the Earth. With quakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons, and volcanoes, the Earth repairs itself. Its a climatic cycle.

The amount of CO2 released in a single volcanic eruption is more than amount of emmisisons humans have created by themselves to date.

The whole entire "Global Warming" is nothing but a waste of millions of dollars that could have went to something useful instead of a plight to make Al Gore richer.

I agree somewhat Deuce, I don't see how anyone can say that they know Global Warming is caused solely by humans, contrary to popular opinion there is evidence that disagrees with it. I am willing to believe it, but there has to be more evidence.

[jtuck]

LOL. Your biggest argument is that kids can't get beat!?! Now that's hilarious. Nothing more important in the world than that! Jeez. By the way, what the hell is wrong with going green? Is that somehow evil? Are you serious? Its for the good of everything and everyone!!!! What a ridiculous way of thinking...

Everytime a post goes Liberal vs. Conservative you jump in just saying the conservative in the argument is stupid, can you please just this once come in and defend, with facts, the liberal policies you support instead of just attacking?

[element1286]

Yeah because the economy really matters when no crops are sustainable because the plains turned to dust and the midwest is drowned by the Mississippi River. It definitely matters when oil is so scarce that it costs $750 to fill up your tank and you can't afford to run the air conditioning in 120+ degree weather. And the economy is almost ALWAYS hurt by research and innovation. There couldn't be any new jobs created with new industry, could there? There is just absolutely no logic to that argument. Its assinine.

I agree that researching alternatives to replace oil is the right thing to do, but I think it is the right thing to do because it will help with energy independence. Not because of the Global Warming theory.

Also, research and innovation is a economic argument, so I don't know how that refutes my point.

[MonkeyF0cker]

My only argument is that global warming does not exist. Going green is cool I guess. Take your bike if you can etc. The time humans have been on Earth has not even made a dent in the Earth. With quakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons, and volcanoes, the Earth repairs itself. Its a climatic cycle.

The amount of CO2 released in a single volcanic eruption is more than amount of emmisisons humans have created by themselves to date.

The whole entire "Global Warming" is nothing but a waste of millions of dollars that could have went to something useful instead of a plight to make Al Gore richer.

Wow are you ignorant in this regard. It couldn't be the oil companies telling you these lies could it? You go suck on the tailpipe of your idling car for a few minutes and then come tell me that they could not possibly be doing any harm to our environment and the air...

[Deuce]

I agree somewhat Deuce, I don't see how anyone can say that they know Global Warming is caused solely by humans, contrary to popular opinion there is evidence that disagrees with it. I am willing to believe it, but there has to be more evidence.

Right. I am not just being a stubborn conservative. If evidence is there than ok. There is none. The Earths climate varies. Over the 4.5 billion years the Earth has existed, many of cycles have taken place.

I am all for taking your bike to work if its close, walking to get some lunch, car pooling. Just common sense things to save some cash. I am not all for raising oil prices to make this happen or am I going to move walking distance from my job just so I can afford to work. Somethings gotta give here.

[Deuce]

Wow are you ignorant in this regard. It couldn't be the oil companies telling you these lies could it? You go suck on the tailpipe of your idling car for a few minutes and then come tell me that they could not possibly be doing any harm to our environment and the air...

Your PC is emitting pollutants too. Shut the thing off, wouldn't want to harm the seals in the arctic.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Everytime a post goes Liberal vs. Conservative you jump in just saying the conservative in the argument is stupid, can you please just this once come in and defend, with facts, the liberal policies you support instead of just attacking?

I believe I'm the only one that HAS STATED FACTS IN THIS THREAD, buddy. You may want to see the consumption/production posts from earlier. The rest of you are merely stating that you don't believe in global warming.

[element1286]

Your PC is emitting pollutants to. Shut the thing off, wouldn't want to harm the seals in the arctic.

Haha right, if there was such a crisis then people should be cutting back on any and every pollutant, not just bashing oil companies.

[jtuck]

If the democrats are really our only hope of lowering gas prices then why did they quickly shoot down McCain's idea of a gas tax holiday, then propose a 10 cent a gallon hike in the federal gas tax?

[durito]

If the democrats are really our only hope of lowering gas prices then why did they quickly shoot down McCain's idea of a gas tax holiday, then propose a 10 cent a gallon hike in the federal gas tax?

Who says democrats are our "only hope of lowering gas prices"?

If anything, they need to go up more. There needs to be a lot more than a 10 cent hike in the gas tax.

The gas tax holiday idea was incredibly stupid from anyway you look at it. The immediate gratification with no regards to the long run is whats got the US in this economic disaster in the first place.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Your PC is emitting pollutants too. Shut the thing off, wouldn't want to harm the seals in the arctic.

Oh boy. Excellent point. Your intelligence is shocking, truly shocking.

[BuddyBear]

If the democrats are really our only hope of lowering gas prices then why did they quickly shoot down McCain's idea of a gas tax holiday, then propose a 10 cent a gallon hike in the federal gas tax?

Funny how the leading economists in this country sided with Obama on that issue. Right?

[element1286]

Who says democrats are our "only hope of lowering gas prices"?

If anything, they need to go up more. There needs to be a lot more than a 10 cent hike in the gas tax.

The gas tax holiday idea was incredibly stupid from anyway you look at it. The immediate gratification with no regards to the long run is whats got the US in this economic disaster in the first place.

I agree that the gas tax holiday isn't really any solution, it wouldn't hurt anything, but whatever. But why the hell should they raise the tax?

[durito]

The benefits of alternative energy go FAR beyond environmental.

Right now we are stuck with an incredible demand for a resource that happens to be mostly located in countries that aren't exactly friendly to the United States. Getting rid of that dependence would have vast economic benefits to the US economy instead of filling the coffers of oil state dictators.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Haha right, if there was such a crisis then people should be cutting back on any and every pollutant, not just bashing oil companies.

There is a major difference between altering lifestyles and creating renewable energy solutions to power those lifestyles. Do you remember which I was promoting?

[durito]

I agree that the gas tax holiday isn't really any solution, it wouldn't hurt anything, but whatever. But why the hell should they raise the tax?

To reduce demand and reduce the US's dependence on oil imports from volatile regions.

And to invest in energies that can be produced at home.

[daggerkobe]

Republicans get their news and "facts" from Rush Limbaugh.

The same hypocrite who said all drug addicts should be sent up the river, except when it's him, then you should forgive and forget.

[Deuce]

The only current beef I have with administration and oil today is why are we still getting taxed as much as prices increase? Feds are still getting 18% of every gallon. There could easily be a break here in which would relieve pump pricing.

[durito]

The only current beef I have with administration and oil today is why are we still getting taxed as much as prices increase? Feds are still getting 18% of every gallon. There could easily be a break here in which would relieve pump pricing.

[BuddyBear]

Republicans get their news and "facts" from Rush Limbaugh.

The same hypocrite who said all drug addicts should be sent up the river, except when it's him, then you should forgive and forget.

Don't forget Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and Glen Beck.

In a way, I almost feel sorry for genuine conservatives.

[jtuck]

Its hard to find someone who doesnt think that we should look into alternative energy sources but i dont see why raising taxes on oil companies and gas will help. Buddy Bear, can you give me a link that says the economists side with obama on it? I cant find one and its kinda hard to believe any leading economist is siding with a democrat.

[Deuce]

There is a major difference between altering lifestyles and creating renewable energy solutions to power those lifestyles. Do you remember which I was promoting?

Go find an alternative. Many like to jump on the wagon and cry but don't do shit about it. Just bitch and bitch about how Bush is a crook.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Right. I am not just being a stubborn conservative. If evidence is there than ok. There is none. The Earths climate varies. Over the 4.5 billion years the Earth has existed, many of cycles have taken place.

I am all for taking your bike to work if its close, walking to get some lunch, car pooling. Just common sense things to save some cash. I am not all for raising oil prices to make this happen or am I going to move walking distance from my job just so I can afford to work. Somethings gotta give here.

Never in the history of the world has the climate changed this drastically in such a short period of time. It is ABSOLUTELY NOT about natural climate cycles. If you don't think human population affects natural life cycles then might I point you to a second grade science textbook regarding the food chain? By the way, what natural event would your scientists attribute to the drastic change in climate? Obviously it must have been significant. Teach me.

[element1286]

The benefits of alternative energy go FAR beyond environmental.

Right now we are stuck with an incredible demand for a resource that happens to be mostly located in countries that aren't exactly friendly to the United States. Getting rid of that dependence would have vast economic benefits to the US economy instead of filling the coffers of oil state dictators.

I completely agree, but I just don't see the technology or the infrastructure being widespread for some time, maybe a decade or more.

IMO, I would do anything right now to help people get through the high energy costs, drill for oil anywhere, coal to oil, wind/solar/nuclear, more mass transportation, and more fuel efficient vehicles. These are only temporary solutions, and when more and more of the new alternative comes on line those could be phased out accordingly.

[jtuck]

Don't forget Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and Glen Beck.
In a way, I almost feel sorry for genuine conservatives.

Obviously, im much more conservative than liberal, but ill agree most radio hosts are a joke, i just laugh when i listen to hannity and some of the shit he says and the spin he puts on things. Beck is solid and i can listen to rush, you just have to be able to weed out his spin

[element1286]

Don't forget Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and Glen Beck.

In a way, I almost feel sorry for genuine conservatives.

Glenn Beck is about as close to a true conservative as they get. Coulter and Hannity annoy the hell out of me, but I am a big fan of Beck.

[daggerkobe]

The average state gasoline tax is 28.6 cents per gallon, plus 18.4 cents per gallon federal tax making the total 47 cents per gallon in the US.

If you think saving 47 cents a gallon is going to change your lifestyle when gas is hovering at $4.50..... then you must've lived in a cave for 7 years.

In the UK, they pay $5.20 a gallon fuel tax.

[BuddyBear]

Its hard to find someone who doesnt think that we should look into alternative energy sources but i dont see why raising taxes on oil companies and gas will help. Buddy Bear, can you give me a link that says the economists side with obama on it? I cant find one and its kinda hard to believe any leading economist is siding with a democrat.

Hmm...perhaps I was misunderstood. I meant to say that economists were very critical of the McCain and Clinton gas tax thing...however, this didn't necessarily mean they endorsed Obama. My fault.....

[clonecat]

Going green has:

1. Reduced Greenhouse gasses
2. Improved air quality
3. Improved water quality
4. Lowered pollution
5. Lowered waste disposable costs
6. Lowered utility bills
7. Lowered health problems


Gee, someone stop those evil green loving libs......

Forgot to mention - made Al Gore a very rich SOB

[ryanXL977]

chuck hagel is a conservative
but whats funny is these guys all do drugs and bone lil 14 yr old hookers, make $50 million a year and presume to tell normal people how to live
why would you let some rich **** who has nothing in common with you tell you whats what

these people are corporate shills and liars, thats all they are

[Deuce]

Never in the history of the world has the climate changed this drastically in such a short period of time. It is ABSOLUTELY NOT about natural climate cycles. If you don't think human population affects natural life cycles then might I point you to a second grade science textbook regarding the food chain? By the way, what natural event would your scientists attribute to the drastic change in climate? Obviously it must have been significant. Teach me.

Are we living any different now than we were 200 years ago?

-Ice sheets in Greenland have not receded since 1940.

-Global temperatures dropped by 0.27 degrees Fahrenheit between 1940 and 1972. (NASA, Gobbard Institute for Space Studies)

-Punta Arenas, the city closest to Antarctica, has experienced a decrease of 1.0 degree Fahrenheit since 1888. (NASA, Gobbard Institute for Space Studies)

-The temperature in the interior of Antarctica has slightly decreased with an increase of sea ice. (It is also interesting to note that Antarctica has actually been melting for the past 6,000 years.) (Science)


-Sea levels are rising, but at the same rate that they have been rising for the past 6,000 years. (Center for Space Research: The University of Texas at Austin)


-The number of hurricanes in the United States peaked at 23 from 1940-1949, whereas the number of hurricanes per decade from 1970-1999 rested at about 14. (National Hurricane Center)

Need I go on? I take it Al Gore is your hero.

[durito]

I cant find one and its kinda hard to believe any leading economist is siding with a democrat.

[element1286]

Forgot to mention - made Al Gore a very rich SOB

Haha, right.

[daggerkobe]

Forgot to mention - made Al Gore a very rich SOB

He was already rich. He invented the internet, afterall.

[jtuck]

Hmm...perhaps I was misunderstood. I meant to say that economists were very critical of the McCain and Clinton gas tax thing...however, this didn't necessarily mean they endorsed Obama. My fault.....

Alright, i can see that