If you dont think certain games are fixed, explain this

[CWags23]

Well refs occasionally get the # wrong and sometimes call out numbers of players that aren't even on the field so thats nothing new. The question is was there a holding penalty on that play. Did any player on the Bears commit a holding penalty on that play? If so, move along. There's nothing here. Now, if there was no holding penalty, it does stink. Especially since it made two bets, the Pack and the under.

The play was fun to watch. 4th quarter, under 2 mins left, GB is up 27-17. Green Bay has the ball, 4th and 4 on CHI 49 yd line, GB's naturally gonna punt. The ball is punted to the right side of the field, where Knox makes a great over the shoulder catch barely in bounds and returns the punt 90 yards into the end zone for a TD while basically jogging, where the only guy who came close to touching him was the GB punter. Problem is, everyone including cameraman thinks the ball is going to the left side of the field where Hester is running up calling for a fair catch. The whole GB team is by Hester, waiting for the punt to come down and him to catch it. Obv the punt never comes down near him and the whole GB team is out of position and fooled. There's no rhyme or reason for a Bears player to hold anyone or even block anyone for that matter. There's a flag thrown around the 20 yd line, 'during the return, holding, #21' who is Corey Graham. Announcers are like wtf, Graham didn't do anything, they show 2 replays, aerial views of the field, they circle where Graham is on the field. He's probably the closest guy to Knox, but he's not blocking anyone so he didn't have a chance to even hold anyone and then the camera cuts to the Bears special teams coordinator whose livid at the call.

IMO it was a totally phantom call. I was on the over 45.5, lost the bet but still made $ for the day, so whatever. I was on the Chargers a few years ago with the Steelers, I was on Rhode Island when they played in the final of the NIT tournament and got hosed on a late non-call against UNC if I remember correctly, and I was on 'Cuse Saturday. Some calls go your way, some don't. Sucks when stuff like this happens, but it's out of my control and that's why I bet $ that I can afford to lose. If this type of stuff happened in every game, then ya it's rigged/fixed, and I'd surely stop wagering, but this generally only happens a few times a sport season. Win some. Lose some.

[Glitch]

that sucks. referees have a lot of power and influence and control over a game.

umpires in baseball have the most. they really need to go to computerized strikezone equipment and review videos for safe or out. either its in the strikezone or it isnt, either they beat the throw or they didnt.

[Cap dat 4ss]

There actually was a hold on the play and the ref threw the flag before Knox ever caught the ball. The guy trying to block one of the Packers gunners was beaten by him pretty bad. As the Packer ran by him, he reached up and grabbed his shoulder pads. The guy was even looking for the flag right after Knox caught the ball.The flag happened was thrown well before it was obvious Knox was going to score and was justified. Sorry guys, no fix here unless the guy that held had the Packers and the under

[Glitch]

i didnt see or have that game either but thats good to know that there actually was a legitimate hold on the play in question.

[thejanitor]

[Wrecktangle]

If you believe the games are fixed, why do you bet?

[Glitch]

if you read some of the first few posts on the first page or even the thread title its stating that Some games are fixed. certain games are fixed.

[Legions36]

Only losers post on public forums how games are fixed. Not anyone elses fault u can pick a win.

[spladle08]

Lol this was the one game I missed on a $25 8 team parlay.. I was pretty angry, deep inside I hope they somehow change the score and I get rich, but after seeing the USC sh*tfest a few weeks ago... Im not holding my breath... onto next week

[ebbearsfb1]

Only losers post on public forums how games are fixed. Not anyone elses fault u can pick a win.

Your right I can pick winners... b) did you watch the game? And gitch I love how no one can read... or maybe they just don't know what certain means? Also not one person has addressed my question of how to justifyscrewing up an xp call

[ebbearsfb1]

If you believe the games are fixed, why do you bet?

Do you know what certain means?

[Cap dat 4ss]

There was a hold on the fukkn play. Ref got the wrong #.

I didnt see the hold at first but it did happen. I saw it on a yahoo video. Nothing that impacted the play but it was a hold regardless. The flag was thrown before knox had the ball. Find the video and watch the gunner on the side of the field knox catches the ball. One of the bears players holds his shoulder pads as he runs right by him.

[Glitch]

Your right I can pick winners... b) did you watch the game? And gitch I love how no one can read... or maybe they just don't know what certain means? Also not one person has addressed my question of how to justifyscrewing up an xp call

yeah i stopped responding to these dumb f*cks. they dont even realize that their ignorant responses show that they didnt read the thread or even the whole thread-title.

thinkin about putting a link to the first page on every page and maybe add some pictures instead of words so they can understand.

[keyboarding]

Usually a fix involves as few people as possible to not make it obvious and have less people getting caught/confessing. I really don't think this was a fix because it was so fukking blatant of a bad call, that isn't usually how fixes work. Entire officiating crews don't get paid for the fix, so for every single one of them to miss this call, it's odd.

Here's the real question: Is it worse to think an entire officiating crew is being bought and fixed a match, or an entire officiating crew are fukking retarded and miss the call? Both are pretty unreal.

[Glitch]

solid post. i guess retarded can be chocked up to an off-day. they might have just been following the head officials' lead. they blamed it on a bad camera angle but c'mon. its a field goal, not that hard to pause it when its "breaking the plane" of the uprights or have the right camera the right way.

retarded or crooked- i definitely agree; pretty bad.

[Wrecktangle]

if you read some of the first few posts on the first page or even the thread title its stating that Some games are fixed. certain games are fixed.

OK, then if you think "certain" games are fixed, why do you bet?

And then, after "certain" games have results you don't care for, why do you wank about it in public forums?

[thebestthereis]

every single casino game is fixed towards the house. everyone on planet earth knows this, they tell you up front this is the case 100%, yet the place is full of people playing the games that they cannot win (remember you know this up front) at but they still play. when they lose they will still play.

[babyjesus]

plain and clear, missed the extra point.

[pavyracer]

Yankees/Rays last night was fixed.

[Glitch]

OK, then if you think "certain" games are fixed, why do you bet?

And then, after "certain" games have results you don't care for, why do you wank about it in public forums?

point to where im complaining about a specific game being fixed here.

im not. im talking about the general concept of some games having controlled results beyond the merit of the athletes and coaches on the field and their gameplan.

and this was not evne about me "thinking" certain games are fixed and people shave points...look at the fukkin videos on page 1. those are examples. concrete examples of how people do it and some games where its done and why they do it etc etc.

i didnt play that syracuse/toledo game or that bears/packers game. and i didnt even offer an opinion as to whether i thought there was shady business going on there.

most games are not fixed. if you avoid betting into sucker bet lines, you can dodge some of the fixes. why would i talk about it on a public gambling forum? obviously to help other people open their eyes.

if one player gets caught shaving points, or one referee gets caught making bad calls to influence the game- that is proof that SOME games are fixed.

i am just showing naaive idiots like you that fixes do exist.

[ebbearsfb1]

OK, then if you think "certain" games are fixed, why do you bet?

And then, after "certain" games have results you don't care for, why do you wank about it in public forums?

No one asked you to click on this thread you jabroni...still no one has explained how they screw up an xp if there wasn't something shady going on

[Cap dat 4ss]

Thx for pointing out the obvious glitch. Everyone here knows that some games in the past have been fixed. Youre not enlightening us to anything we didnt already know. Hell, nobody is even arguing with you about it.

[Wrecktangle]

Losers bitch about "fixed" games.

Period.

[ebbearsfb1]

Never heard of ya.. still haven't justified screwing up an xp call... if were such losers why do you continue to come in this thread? Must take one to know one.. not even a pro here... but will say bets big with a local

[isotopes]

I have to say that this was fixed, I think it is almost impossible to miss a FG or extra point call, however it is impossible to miss it on replay, it was totally a fix.

That's why betting games that have no national title implications is always risky. Stick to the games and teams that matter and you shouldn't see any fixing in those games, it would be way to risky for the refs and they would get way to much attention. Hence, this cuse game didn't get nearly as much attention as it should have on any major sports media.

[Vin_vermillion]

what's funny is that I think I have won more fixed games than I have lost due to how I bet.

I find it hilarious that people here think that just because you are not as dumb as them to think there aren't rigged games, that you must be losing....on the contrary many of us win and win quite a bit...

Again, people - in any walk of life....ANYTHING - if there is money involved, things are never 100% on the up and up. And something as easy to control as the refs involved in the ability to affect the outcome of a game....???? GMAFB - you people that don't believe there are fixed games are either the most niave idiots on the planet or just don't want to believe.

you people that DONT think certain games are fixed are the idiots that shouldnt be betting.

[Vin_vermillion]

I have to say that this was fixed, I think it is almost impossible to miss a FG or extra point call, however it is impossible to miss it on replay, it was totally a fix.

That's why betting games that have no national title implications is always risky. Stick to the games and teams that matter and you shouldn't see any fixing in those games, it would be way to risky for the refs and they would get way to much attention. Hence, this cuse game didn't get nearly as much attention as it should have on any major sports media.

even games with national title implcations....maybe less so....but there are still rigged games in those situations as well.

[Glitch]

Thx for pointing out the obvious glitch. Everyone here knows that some games in the past have been fixed. Youre not enlightening us to anything we didnt already know. Hell, nobody is even arguing with you about it.

yes they are. look at just the last few posts (even though these arent the only ones)

wrecktangle saying things like "you THINK certain games are fixed" and putting the word fixed iin quotation marks.

trust me, there are a lot of people who dont know/acknowledge that fixes do happen.

not just this idiot, but read the previous pages. some people dont think some games are fixed.

[Glitch]

lol at thinking college players or even refs are fixing damn games. Fukkin college players get paid more money under the table by there school then you'll ever see in your life just by winning games. Too many bitter gamblers. Obivously NBA fixes games but everyone has known that for 15 years

obivously only nba is fixed according to this guy

[Glitch]

It is real simple. If you think the games are fixed, STOP WAGERING. You losers in here are always looking for some sorry a** excuse to blame your losses on. There is only ONE reason why you lost. You wagered on the WRONG TEAM. There is no such thing as a good LOSING wager. Get a life losers. Stop your whining and man up. If you can not afford the 5-10 bucks you put on a game, DON'T WAGER.

Also, for you dreamers who think you know what the public wagered on, you have no idea. Not a clue. You take some meaningless stat which could be intentionally incorrect, and claim that you know everything. I can tell you right now that it is the amount wagered, not the number of people who wager, that determines a line. I wager more on a game than the rest of the people in this thread added up, so my wager is going to be a lot more meaningful to the books than all of yours combined.

biggest dumbass of them all so far

[Full Time Hobo]

This thread really brought a lot of morons out of the woodwork.

I don't understand how that call could have been missed if they reviewed it. They must have focused on one camera angle that didn't show anything. Stupid considering how many angles they have at their disposal.

[Vin_vermillion]

biggest dumbass of them all so far

Easily.

[Vin_vermillion]

"You take some meaningless stat which could be intentionally incorrect, and claim that you know everything."

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Hey Big fatty...question for you. If games are never fixed - then why would someone INTENTIONALLY POST A STAT that is INCORRECT ABOUT WHO IS ON WHAT SIDE OF A GAME?

Seems like a flaw in your logic...doesn't it.....

The only reason to MISLEAD PEOPLE would be so they would be ON the WRONG SIDE of a game BECAUSE THE GAME IS FIXED AND THEY KNOW THE OUTCOME!!!!

Thanks for proving our point.

And once, again, I have bet the RIGHT side of MORE FIXED GAMES than the WRONG SIDE!

I have sat there and laughed when games have come out in my favor because the calls are obviously being made one SIDED in a certain teams favor. Hell, I have even seen refs spot the ball two yards ahead of where it should have gone FOR THE TEAM I AM BETTIN ON.

This shit happens way more than people think.

And you IDIOTS that keep saying why do you bet if you think it is FIXED? SUCH A DUMB COMMENT. IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THE FIXES ARE - THEN YOU GO BIGGER ON THOSE GAMES.

SO comical that some of you MORONS think that something that INVOLVES BILLIONS OF DOLLARS would NEVER BE RIGGED! GOD THERE ARE SOME SUCKERS IN THIS WORLD!

[Retrospect]

this thread is fixed

[CrimsonQueen]

OK, then if you think "certain" games are fixed, why do you bet?

And then, after "certain" games have results you don't care for, why do you wank about it in public forums?

It is not debatable whether or not games have been fixed in the past. Therefore, it goes without saying that games COULD obviously be fixed in the future.

Why still bet on games?


1. < 0.001% of all games are (probably) fixed, so the odds that you are betting on a fixed game are very VERY VERY slim.
2. Even if you bet on a handful of fixed games a year somehow, it probably wouldn't matter in the long run, because sometimes you'd be betting on the side that is fixed to win sometimes, and sometimes you'd be betting on the side that's fixed to lose. Unless Vegas itself was fixing the games to make teams that aren't being bet on by the public to win, then it's not a huge real big problem.

Would I prefer that 0 games were fixed? Absolutely. But it's insane beyond belief to think that the last time they caught someone fixing a game was the last time it will ever happen. I doubt I've EVER bet on a fixed game, and I doubt I ever will.