Valverde 42/42

[lakerboy]

the issue of rivera being the best closer is beyond reproach. even if he has lost a step this year he is still so far and away in front of every other guy its hilarious


he is a mythical player in our time

when he hangs it up we will probably never see another

its blasphemy to even mention valverde as an mvp candidate. its utterly ridiculous.

exactly. its so amazing that after 16 /17 years no one has figured out this guys cut fastball. he is the greatest pitcher of our lifetime.

[stevenash]

OK, pop quiz hot shots.

In the history of baseball, only three relievers have had 40 or more saves without blowing one.
Or in other words, name the 3 closers with 40 or more saves while going perfect?

[lakerboy]

gagne and lidge

[No coincidences]

exactly. its so amazing that after 16 /17 years no one has figured out this guys cut fastball. he is the greatest pitcher of our lifetime.

He throws two variations of one pitch. That's it.

No one has -- or ever will -- done something like that at anywhere near his success level.

[stevenash]

gagne and lidge

Yes, both linked to steroids by the way.

[JuniorAnalyst]

cmon guys be nice to paco. maybe not mvp but the guy is an amazing player and any team would benefit from his presence. how many times have you wished you could make your 1 run game on your 6 teamer a lock when the teams up 1 run in the bottom of the 8th. i must say hes the bread and butter of the relief staff.

[Monchito]

VERLANDER MVP?

[paco]

Some of u guys don't realize he only gave up 2 total runs in 42 saves. Not even re great Mariano can sag that on his resume!

[paco]

valverde has lost a few games where he comes in a tie game in the 9th inning and gives up a run. he still had a great season, just not good enough to be considered for the cy young or mvp award.

Valverde has not lost a SAVE situation. Which tie game did he blow?

@houliTX. Romo? U gotta be joking? U bet tigers ml and with lead, u know Valverde comes in, u already know u count ur money

[paco]

Rivera giving up grand slams in save situations. (to the twins)

Papa grande, 42-42. Will be 50-50 by seasons end

[biggamerife21]

He should be in the mvp talk,

ask he cubs, blue jays, reds, mets how valuable a valverde or kimbrel would be to them.

42 for 42 is unreal.

[biggamerife21]

I have saw rivera blew up by red sox and more

Bailey walked off by hamilton

marmol walk damn near 10 strait and give up huge leads

cordero blow more than enough saves

throughout all that this guy never slips

[oiler]

pitchers hardley evr win mvp and if they did verlander would win it before him

[paco]

He should be in the mvp talk,

ask he cubs, blue jays, reds, mets how valuable a valverde or kimbrel would be to them.

42 for 42 is unreal.

[Bob Loblaw]

I have saw rivera blew up by red sox and more

Bailey walked off by hamilton

marmol walk damn near 10 strait and give up huge leads

cordero blow more than enough saves

throughout all that this guy never slips

And not one of those teams would make the playoffs with Valverde. Sure they would all take him on their team but I can guarantee you they are taking A-Gon, Ellsbury, Granderson, Cabrera, Pedroia, Teixiera, Bautista, Konerko, Ortiz, Cano, and others before they take Valverde. Valverde belongs nowhere near the MVP discussion.

[InTheDrink]

yea and if this sergio romo ever sniffed the postseason the guy would implode like a nuclear bomb

probably the most clueless thing ive ever read on here...not because of romo's performance but because he makes the comment obviously not knowing who the guy is and that he pitched in the off season

[biggamerife21]

I would take those players too but the discussion is most valuable player to there team in the year 2011 you named mostly red sox and yankees who would be fine if they didnt have one of those guys but you put frank fransisco, jordan walden, leo nunez, bobby parnell, whoever as the tigers closers and instead of 42 for 42 you are chasing the white sox and indians.

[Bob Loblaw]

I would take those players too but the discussion is most valuable player to there team in the year 2011 you named mostly red sox and yankees who would be fine if they didnt have one of those guys but you put frank fransisco, jordan walden, leo nunez, bobby parnell, whoever as the tigers closers and instead of 42 for 42 you are chasing the white sox and indians.

Tigers have a 9 game lead. Valverde is not worth 9+ games compared to the average closer. He may be perfect in a dumb category like saves but lets not forget he's also lost 4 games this year. Take Valverde off that team and they are still in first place and probably comfortably. Take Cabrera off that team and I don't know if I can say the same. When you're clearly not the MVP on your own team then you're not the MVP of the league and don't belong in the discussion. A guy like Miguel Cabrera will play in as many innings in a week as Valverde will the entire season.

[biggamerife21]

According to the WAR ratings wins above replacement Jose Batista and Jacoby are neck and neck

[paco]

Take Valverde off that team and Tigers are in 3rd place behind whitesox and indians. What part of 42 for 42 saves converted don't ya understand? He gave up only 2 combined runs in 42 save attempts. Do ya realize that? How many saves does a closer blow all te time? Thus guy blew none. Some of ya won't get my point. No need to carry on this conversation. Obviously ya don't understand how important a FUCKEN closer is.

[ZetaPsi808]

Valverde has not lost a SAVE situation. Which tie game did he blow?

@houliTX. Romo? U gotta be joking? U bet tigers ml and with lead, u know Valverde comes in, u already know u count ur money

my mistake, he blew 4 tie games.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=310817106

http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=310701106

http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=310529206

http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=310502106

[8ArIvd5]

paco, this guy isn't mvp caliber. he might, MIGHT, play 7% of the entire season. how can you say a guy who MIGHT play 7% of the season is the most important part of his team?

guy's given up 17er's, miggy has 94 rbi and 94 runs scored. take away his 26 hr's and miggy's involved in 162 runs. that's 1 run every game. would you start the game down 1 run to have valverde on your team?

[paco]

^^ none of those were save situations. U give him a 1 run lead and the game is over. No and ifs or buts about it

[hawley]

He seems to put heaps of runners on base and each save is an adventure so im pretty surprised he is 42/42

[8ArIvd5]

^^ none of those were save situations. U give him a 1 run lead and the game is over. No and ifs or buts about it

but if the game's tied you lose a 3 game series.

[paco]

Say we had Todd Jones in 42 of those save situations, we would be trailing Chicago right now.

Valverdes era is high in NON SAVE situations. Not a single closer comes close to him not even Mariano. Record setting shit here, and no one thinks it means anything

[paco]

Once Mariano retires, watch the Yanks try to go after him.

[hawley]

Paco if you had Jones in there, how many of those 42 saves would have been blown?

[paco]

Paco if you had Jones in there, how many of those 42 saves would have been blown?

35+

[hawley]

35+

Valverde

[Ethan]

[GOB]

A reliever in the conversation for most valuable player is pretty far-fetched. While relievers certainly are valuable, there are many of them that can do more than an adequate job (see Farnsworth, Kyle). I think the AL MVP conversation should begin and end with Bautista, but I guess I understand people not wanting their MVP to be on a team that was never in contention.

[Bigmikesm]

Valverde, 2-4 with an era of 2.49. Doubt he even gets an MVP vote.

[Br0nxer]

probably the most clueless thing ive ever read on here...not because of romo's performance but because he makes the comment obviously not knowing who the guy is and that he pitched in the off season

wow.

im buried

you buried me

cant believe i didnt know that some non-descript set-up man pitched in one of the worst world series ive ever seen. i couldnt sit thru 5 consecutive outs of those games.

now declamp from my nutsack and run along kiddo.

[lunchbawks]

who cares closers throw 1 inning.. no way any closer will EVER be considered MVP