Verlander should get CY young and Papa Grande MVP.
lakerboy
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Who else is in the MVP debate?
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paco
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Only gave up 2 runs in those 42 saves combined.
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mattmc419
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Detroit should have 4 MVP candidates:
Verlander
Martinez
Cabrera
Valverde
And that's leaving out Avila who has been rock solid for this team.
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paco
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Originally posted by lakerboy
Who else is in the MVP debate?
Adrian
Granderson
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lakerboy
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I vote for Granderson. They wont give it to a closer unless he gets 60 saves.
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paco
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Originally posted by lakerboy
I vote for Granderson. They wont give it to a closer unless he gets 60 saves.
Means most Valuable player. Yanks still woulda been fine without granderson. Valverde saves been majority 1 run games and against divisional rivals, imagine if Todd Jones was still our closer
I believe we wouldn't be 8.5 games lead in the division w/o him.
42-42 is bad ass
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Bob Loblaw
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C'mon now. He's also got 4 losses and a 1.30 whip. The save is a joke category to begin with. He's got 14 one run saves. So 28 times he pitched an inning without giving up at least 2 runs. So he got rewarded with a save 28 times for not having an 18+ era for that particular game. 79 games he didn't pitch at all. Is that really something that's MVP worthy?
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YorkHunt
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Beast!
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lakerboy
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Originally posted by paco
Means most Valuable player. Yanks still woulda been fine without granderson. Valverde saves been majority 1 run games and against divisional rivals, imagine if Todd Jones was still our closer
I believe we wouldn't be 8.5 games lead in the division w/o him.
42-42 is bad ass
Valverde has been good for sure but i dont think the yanks would have been fine without granderson. arod missed a long time as well. yanks wouldnt even be in the playoff race without curtis.
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Tech N9ne
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That's my nigg valverde he puts in work like a 9 to 5
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VegasInsider
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Ellsbury is in that conversation, too.
Valverde can't win the MVP...he's only PLAYED 61 1/3 innings THIS ENTIRE SEASON.
If Verlander doesn't win the MVP, no pitcher will.
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HOT WINGS
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Verlander 20-0 when Tigers score 3 or more. Now that is ridiculous. Valverde makes you sweat it out like most closers but doesnt choke like many others do in high pressure situations. Although I still remember him giving up that solo shot to Ortiz in top of 9th at Detroit. Lost a nice chunk on that game.
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gryfyn1
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because saves are a moronic stat; and he no where close to the best reliever in the AL let alone the best pitcher or player.
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HOT WINGS
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Originally posted by gryfyn1
because saves are a moronic stat; and he no where close to the best reliever in the AL let alone the best pitcher or player.
He's a closer not a middle relief pitcher. Can you name 1 closer in baseball that has 25+ saves without blowing 1 in baseball this year? I can't think of one in AL or NL. I agree not MVP or CY young status but to say no where close to best closer/relief pitcher in AL this year is ludacris.
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ZetaPsi808
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valverde has lost a few games where he comes in a tie game in the 9th inning and gives up a run. he still had a great season, just not good enough to be considered for the cy young or mvp award.
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Br0nxer
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Originally posted by paco
Perfect save record. 42 out of 42.
Tell me why he's not in the MVP talks?
Verlander should get CY young and Papa Grande MVP.
your kidding me right
the greatest reliever in the history of the game has never even sniffed an MVP or CY YOUNG
and you want valverde to win it
cmon pal. your better than that comment
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HoulihansTX
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The save stat just means you pitch in the 9th inning a lot.
Nothing else.
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gryfyn1
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Originally posted by HOT WINGS
He's a closer not a middle relief pitcher. Can you name 1 closer in baseball that has 25+ saves without blowing 1 in baseball this year? I can't think of one in AL or NL. I agree not MVP or CY young status but to say no where close to best closer/relief pitcher in AL this year is ludacris.
take Papelbon, who has 29 saves, hasn't lost a game and has just one blown save, in a game he didn't give up any runs
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No coincidences
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#20
Come on paco.
MVP?
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Br0nxer
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#21
Originally posted by gryfyn1
take Papelbon, who has 29 saves, hasn't lost a game and has just one blown save, in a game he didn't give up any runs
papelbon is a fukkin polesmoker pal
get real
him and bard have been carrying on a sexual relationship for a while
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gryfyn1
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Originally posted by Br0nxer
papelbon is a fukkin polesmoker pal
get real
him and bard have been carrying on a sexual relationship for a while
he asked about closers ... but a a red sox fan i can tell you the reliever who is having the best year in the AL is David Robertson.
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HoulihansTX
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Originally posted by Br0nxer
papelbon is a fukkin polesmoker pal
get real
him and bard have been carrying on a sexual relationship for a while
You are not even arguing the point....
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Br0nxer
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#24
Originally posted by gryfyn1
he asked about closers ... but a a red sox fan i can tell you the reliever who is having the best year in the AL is David Robertson.
heir apparent to rivera
which i have a feeling might be after this year
i think rivera might hang it up when the year is over
there have been chinks in the armor this year
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HoulihansTX
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The best reliever in the game is Sergio Romo
This kind of thought process presented by the OP is s the same used when GM's overpay players. Subsequently being fired later.
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HoulihansTX
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Actually the Tigers should find a GM that thinks like the OP, and trade Valverde for better players.
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Br0nxer
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Originally posted by HoulihansTX
The best reliever in the game is Sergio Romo
This kind of thought process presented by the OP is s the same used when GM's overpay players. Subsequently being fired later.
what fukkin planet are you living on to think sergio romo is the best reliever in baseball
you should have your SBR membership revoked for this post
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HoulihansTX
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Currently has the longest scoreless inning streak of all releivers this year.
He has not allowed a run in 3 months.
Is his level of competition shitty, yes
Does he pitch in a pitchers park. Yes
Are his accomplishments undeniable. Yes
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Br0nxer
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Originally posted by HoulihansTX
Currently has the longest scoreless inning streak of all releivers this year.
He has not allowed a run in 3 months.
Is his level of competition shitty, yes
Does he pitch in a pitchers park. Yes
Are his accomplishments undeniable. Yes
yea and if this sergio romo ever sniffed the postseason the guy would implode like a nuclear bomb
he isnt even in the list of top 20 relievers
there is one reliever in baseball
Mariano Rivera
and the rest of the league is 10 miles in the rear view mirror
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HoulihansTX
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He pitched last year as a Giant, and allowed no runs in the postseason. En Route to winning the World Series.
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HoulihansTX
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Thank you Bronxer, for letting us know that you are a Yankee fan.
Go forth and sin no more.
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Br0nxer
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Originally posted by HoulihansTX
He pitched last year as a Giant, and allowed no runs in the postseason. En Route to winning the World Series.
i will be honest
barely fukkin heard of him
if he pitched in postseason and didnt give up a run god bless him
far from being on an elite level though
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lakerboy
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Rivera is still the best closer. I would take him over any guy in a pressure situation. Anyways the topic was about MVP.
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No coincidences
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Originally posted by Br0nxer
i will be honest
barely fukkin heard of him
if he pitched in postseason and didnt give up a run god bless him
far from being on an elite level though
His absence is basically the main reason behind their struggles this year -- right up there with Posey.
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Br0nxer
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#35
Originally posted by lakerboy
Rivera is still the best closer. I would take him over any guy in a pressure situation. Anyways the topic was about MVP.
the issue of rivera being the best closer is beyond reproach. even if he has lost a step this year he is still so far and away in front of every other guy its hilarious
rivera is a top 15 PLAYER in the history of the game. again. Let me repeat it. PLAYER.
he is a mythical player in our time
when he hangs it up we will probably never see another
its blasphemy to even mention valverde as an mvp candidate. its utterly ridiculous.