Why do the Angels have the second best record in baseball?

sickler · 07-07-08, 04:30 PM

They seem to win a lot of close games...especially one run games.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 04:32 PM

clutch hitters like kotchman and itzuris and two top notch 8th and 9th inning guys who never fail
they have solid starters, they are in every game

daggerkobe · 07-07-08, 04:33 PM

mainly their closer. They are something like 85-2 when leading after 8.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 04:34 PM

texas beat em one of those two

hank blalock baby

seaborneq · 07-07-08, 04:36 PM

I am sick of the Angels winning all of these games home and away. I took the under of 92 games on them before the season started because both aces were on the DL to start the season and they had the hardest interleague schedule I had ever seen. Yet here they are on a 100 game pace. Fuk me.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 04:39 PM

they wont win100

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 04:42 PM

I've never understood this mentality. Its like betting on red just because black has hit 5 times in a row on the roulette wheel. What about tonight's game makes you think that correction you think will happen, starts tonight? Santana is a much better pitcher than Mendoza. Mendoza could get absolutely shelled tonight as he has in his last 3 starts, posting a 9.64 ERA and a 2.141 WHIP. And if he does, who do the Rangers turn to? Their bullpen has a horrid 5.24 ERA at home. Meanwhile, if Santana gets into trouble, he has one of the best bullpens in the majors behind him. The Angels are the only way to play this one...

seaborneq · 07-07-08, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

they wont win100

Will they win 92?

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 04:44 PM

will be very close
very close
between 90-94 id say
so its 50/50

pavyracer · 07-07-08, 04:46 PM

The reason why the Angels have the second best record in baseball is simple. The Tampa Bay Rays have the best record by a few wins.

seaborneq · 07-07-08, 04:46 PM

93 it is then. My luck does that

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

texas beat em one of those two

hank blalock baby

There won't be any Hank Blalock heroics tonight...

hackattack · 07-07-08, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

I've never understood this mentality. Its like betting on red just because black has hit 5 times in a row on the roulette wheel. What about tonight's game makes you think that correction you think will happen, starts tonight? Santana is a much better pitcher than Mendoza. Mendoza could get absolutely shelled tonight as he has in his last 3 starts, posting a 9.64 ERA and a 2.141 WHIP. And if he does, who do the Rangers turn to? Their bullpen has a horrid 5.24 ERA at home. Meanwhile, if Santana gets into trouble, he has one of the best bullpens in the majors behind him. The Angels are the only way to play this one...

Comparisons between baseball and roulette is a stretch.
I am simply stating the Angels have been playing over their heads and are a good team to fade in the second half especially on the road.

You only mentioned the pitching. Texas has arguably the best hitting team in baseball this year. They are at or near the top in every hitting stat...the most important being 488 runs scored which is the beat in the MLB.

With these two upcoming series on the road the moneyline should be decent for the home teams. I guess we'll see if I was right in a week's time.

seaborneq · 07-07-08, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by hackattack

Comparisons between baseball and roulette is a stretch.
I am simply stating the Angels have been playing over their heads and are a good team to fade in the second half especially on the road.

With these two upcoming series on the road the moneyline should be decent for the home teams. I guess we'll see if I was right in a week's time.

I hope the Angels lose all of their games this week and come out of the break on crutches.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 05:03 PM

Its not a stretch. Its the exact same uninformed mentality, thinking that something is "due". You've provided absolutely no reasoning behind the plays other than the fact that you believe a correction in their record will occur at some point. You should be capping each game individually. The idea that a team is "due" for something will lose you a lot of money. I promise.

hackattack · 07-07-08, 05:09 PM

You only mentioned the pitching. Texas has arguably the best hitting team in baseball this year. They are at or near the top in every hitting stat...the most important being 488 runs scored which is the best in MLB.

BTW, I promise you I have been doing this a long time.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 05:10 PM

where is the value on laying -150 on laa on the road?

GO TEX

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by hackattack

You only mentioned the pitching. Texas has arguably the best hitting team in baseball this year. They are at or near the top in every hitting stat...the most important being 488 runs scored which is the best in MLB.

BTW, I promise you I have been doing this a long time.

They've also given up 511 runs, by far the most in the majors. The reason I may have made the mistake of mentioning pitchers is because they might actually pertain to tonight's game. But I guess as a guy who's been doing this for a while, it wouldn't have any significance to you. Good luck tonight. You'll need it.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 05:24 PM

why not take texas at home+130
thats value

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 05:28 PM

I believe I've already mentioned why...

hackattack · 07-07-08, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

They've also given up 511 runs, by far the most in the majors. The reason I may have made the mistake of mentioning pitchers is because they might actually pertain to tonight's game. But I guess as a guy who's been doing this for a while, it wouldn't have any significance to you. Good luck tonight. You'll need it.

You still don't get it.

What is the difference between the Angels vs Texas/Oakland and say Yankees/Red Sox ALCS. Think of it as both 7-game series. Bettors who bet on the ALCS don't know the results of Game 1.2.3.4.5.6.7...right.

In essence, I am taking this 7-game block and betting against the Angels. At worst, if the Angels go 4-3 I break even. I am hoping they go 2-5 for a nice return. We'll see.

seaborneq · 07-07-08, 05:43 PM

I am pulling for you to go 7-0. Hit them hard Hack

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by hackattack

You still don't get it.

What is the difference between the Angels vs Texas/Oakland and say Yankees/Red Sox ALCS. Think of it as both 7-game series. Bettors who bet on the ALCS don't know the results of Game 1.2.3.4.5.6.7...right.

In essence, I am taking this 7-game block and betting against the Angels. At worst, if the Angels go 4-3 I break even. I am hoping they go 2-5 for a nice return. We'll see.

exactly
i will take a good home team at +130 anyday, also

fifawcs · 07-07-08, 05:52 PM

The Angels are one of the most consistent teams in the majors. Consistency is essentially the key to being a successful baseball team. The Angels have a little more offense than the A's. While the Rangers may have a better offense, they have much worse pitching.

element1286 · 07-07-08, 05:52 PM

I understand your reasoning heart attack, as it has been shown that the Pythagorean Theorem of Runs is pretty accurate in determining final win/loss records for teams in the past. But there have a been a few anomalies the past few years, see 2007 Diamondbacks and 2007 Mariners. Both of those teams had very good bullpens, and that seems to be something that can make up for the lack of run scoring. The Angels have a good pen, and while they are not guaranteed to over-achieve relative to their runs scored, there is a possibility that scoring less runs, and having a good pen is a way to over-achieve in a sense.

In short, not a bad idea, playing the percentages that their lack of run scoring catches up to them, GL.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by hackattack

You still don't get it.

What is the difference between the Angels vs Texas/Oakland and say Yankees/Red Sox ALCS. Think of it as both 7-game series. Bettors who bet on the ALCS don't know the results of Game 1.2.3.4.5.6.7...right.

In essence, I am taking this 7-game block and betting against the Angels. At worst, if the Angels go 4-3 I break even. I am hoping they go 2-5 for a nice return. We'll see.

I do get it, buddy. The problem is you aren't getting a series price. You are getting a game by game price and there's no reason it shouldn't be capped accordingly. I really don't see how you think Texas is the team to correct the stellar away record the Angels enjoy. They aren't even a great home team at 3 games above .500. Do what you will, I just disagree entirely with the strategy.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 06:01 PM

laa's road record is false. it will come back to reality

element1286 · 07-07-08, 06:04 PM

I don't know if Texas is the right team, but you will get a good price with them.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 06:06 PM

i dont know if texas is either. but i dont htink they get swept here so i will bet till they win

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 06:09 PM

Wow. All I can say is wow.

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 06:10 PM

if you think texas will get swept here, then thats an easy9 series win bet for ya

MonkeyF0cker · 07-07-08, 06:12 PM

I don't bet wrecklessly like that...

ryanXL977 · 07-07-08, 06:13 PM

bet however you want, i will take texas at home +130 vs ateam that cannot hit

element1286 · 07-07-08, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

I don't bet wrecklessly like that...

I'm not betting either, but the theory is not awful. It might be a better idea to fade the Angels against teams that have good bullpens, or maybe if you look at the individual games, and if it is close between the Angles and another team just take the other team.