Chamberlain as a starter

[Brock Landers]

This guy was so lights out as an 8th inning guy, obvious closer of the future material. What is he doing starting games?

I much preferred him in that role, seems to not have the stamina to go long either. Another bad move by the yankees.

[element1286]

Because him being a top of the rotation starting pitcher is much more important than any bullpen guy in the league.

[ryanXL977]

if he gets stamina, he will be as good as jake peavy

[ZXCVBNM123]

Cause the yanks were desperate for another starter and plucked Joba from his lights-out reliever role and turned him into a mediocre starter.

[ryanXL977]

i disagree about him being medicore, this guy will be a stud
the yanks fans talk about mussina and every prospect they ever have (both of which are mediocre) but this kid is legit

[pavyracer]

Why is he mediocre? He's better than Rasner and Mussina for sure.

[element1286]

You don't waste someone with his arm by making him a reliever, unless he proves he cannot be an effective starter.

[Brock Landers]

Make him a closer, rivera doesn't have many years left

[ryanXL977]

Make him a closer, rivera doesn't have many years left

then make him a closer when rivera is done
its easier to find a closer than a top starter though
they can sign one easily

[element1286]

Make him a closer, rivera doesn't have many years left

That would waste his arm, a guy that can throw 200+ innings, and be effective, is much more important than any closer in the league.

[Brock Landers]

3-1 Red Sox!!!

And element, the last 3 outs are the toughest/most important in the game

[ryanXL977]

well yanks are about to lose 3 of 4 at home to boston
that is a big deal
not calling the game over but the yanks have 1 hit at home!

[element1286]

3-1 Red Sox!!!

And element, the last 3 outs are the toughest/most important in the game

You ask any GM in the league if they would rather have a guy that throws 200+ innings with 4.00 era or a guy that throws 70 innings with a 2.50 era and 35 saves, and I guarantee they all take the starter.

[Brock Landers]

You ask any GM in the league if they would rather have a guy that throws 200+ innings with 4.00 era or a guy that throws 70 innings with a 2.50 era and 35 saves, and I guarantee they all take the starter.

The same GMs also said Mark Prior had picture perfect mechanics

[ryanXL977]

its not like joba is a not gonna be good, he will be, he just has to figure out two things

how to avoid big innings and stop giving into hitters, and stamina
when he does, he will be fine

[SexyMit]

Leave him as the set up guy he doesn't need to be a starter

[ryanXL977]

The same GMs also said Mark Prior had picture perfect mechanics

those were scouts, not gms.
but seriously, cant the yanks go out and sign any closer they want in any offseason, i mean they can go get a bj ryan type or krod if they want

[ryanXL977]

you guys
he is not pitching poorly
he got squeezed vs cocoa and vs ellsbury
the guy is pitching a good game

[element1286]

The same GMs also said Mark Prior had picture perfect mechanics

He did have good mechanics.

[ryanXL977]

He did have good mechanics.

in retrospect they say he did not dont they?

[Brock Landers]

He did have good mechanics.

no he didn't, some of the worst people have seen. Thats why his shoulder was torn up

[element1286]

in retrospect they say he did not dont they?

Dunno.

[ryanXL977]

from what i have read, they say he used only his arm to throw, not his body
nevertheless, the comparison between joba from setup to starter and priors mechanices really is not appropriate

[element1286]

no he didn't, some of the worst people have seen. Thats why his shoulder was torn up

Point still stands, Chamberlain is more valuable as a top of rotation starter than he is as any type of reliever.

[Brock Landers]

MARK PRIOR is a classic example of a high-performing pitcher who was permitted to break down because of poor mechanics. Ironically, Prior was often hailed for his "flawless" mechanics when the Cubs drafted the righthander out of USC with the No. 2 pick in 2001, though that assessment seems to have been influenced by scouts' preference for his 6'5", 225-pound body type. Studied closely, his mechanics included two severe red flags: 1) Prior lifted his throwing elbow higher than his shoulder before reaching the loaded position, increasing the stress on his elbow and shoulder; and 2) unlike Lincecum's dynamic late torso rotation, Prior rotated his hips and torso before getting to the loaded position. With the letters of Prior's jersey already facing the target, his arm could not simply "go along for the ride"—the ride was over, so his arm had to generate all of its own power.
Prior went 41--23 over his first four seasons in the big leagues. During that time, in 2003, when Prior was on his way to a career-high 18 wins, Peterson gave a presentation to the Oakland scouting department about "certain red flags in a delivery that we can't do much about" as the A's prepared for the draft. The idea was to avoid sinking large signing bonuses into players with a high potential to break down. (Late picks, because of their lower cost, don't carry the same concern.)
One of Oakland's scouts, responding to Peterson's red-flag warnings, said, "Hey, that's what Prior does. Are you saying that we shouldn't draft a player like that?"
Replied Peterson, "No, not exactly. He's one of the best pitchers in the league right now, but what I am saying is, If he doesn't have maximum [shoulder] rotation, it will lead to injury. It's like slamming the brakes over and over. The brake pads are going to wear out until it's metal on metal."
Prior has suffered a series of shoulder injuries that have limited him to one win and nine starts in the three seasons since. Still only 27, he is out for the season—again—after surgery to repair a tear in his right shoulder. "Prior is almost all upper body," Chris Lincecum says. "You could cut his legs off and he would throw just as hard. I don't like to put my finger on players, but I've been doing this a long time. I've said, 'He's going to blow his elbow out' or 'His back will go out.' Sure enough, it happens, including Dice-K [Daisuke Matsuzaka], Jake Peavy, Prior.... I have a hard time enjoying the game. I'm sitting there criticizing the pitcher. It hurts to watch pitchers. Seventy percent of the pros have poor mechanics."

[ryanXL977]

however, that has nothiong to do with joba

[sickness]

joba is doing a good job.

[Brock Landers]

joba is doing a good job.

on the hook for the loss tonight

[ryanXL977]

doesnt mean he had a bad starter dude
come on now

[EaglesPhan36]

Brock Landers hates New Yorkers

[Tsoprano]

Whats the point of having a great "lights-out" closer if the whole other part of the game is shot. A closer needs something to close, otherwise hes just ending a horribly started game.

**3 great starters will win any series.

[Tsoprano]

This guy was so lights out as an 8th inning guy, obvious closer of the future material. What is he doing starting games?

I much preferred him in that role, seems to not have the stamina to go long either. Another bad move by the yankees.

You seem like you should be handicapping wrestling.

[jjgold]

Joba can easily be like 4-1, Yanks are not scoring for him. He is pitching well.