In YOUR opinion do we need more ppl in the world or less?

[bettilimbroke999]

I say less, I feel like we've already reached a point of saturation. The unemployment rate at current is already in the double digits in the US, cities like NY are just absolute shitholes and youd get places faster on a bicycle than you would driving in them and thats just in this country alone.

Take a look at other countries and the overpopulation problems are already 10x worse, the standards are abject poverty, malnutrition and nonexistent medical care

Also, somehow in the US those who cant possibly support children are the ones who have them by the dozens, then just turn their back on them and ask the state to pay their support, anyone who does that to their child should be taken out into the street and shot

[DrStale]

Who the hell would answer that we need more people in the world? Have you ever created a thread that isn't ignorant or asinine? What's next, "the pros and cons of having money" or "black people are fast because those fast enough to run from cops were the ones that got to procreate"?

[WvGambler]

what would be the argument for "more people?"

[WvGambler]

would you rather be happy or miserable? discuss..

[Djstucky]

Fukn way less people...way to many retards in the world already making more retards...

[Creditsforedits]

Is it overpopulation or mismanagement? If the world was managed well and everyone was contributing and doing good things then we would want more, as it is the world has a few problems and it is mostly people creating those problems so most people say less population would be good.

However the notion of overpopulation is twisted, 80% of Americans live in cities, which are crowded and so feel overpopulated and you have to put up with all the sh*t that goes with too many people around you (in a poorly managed way), so then when someone says "do you think the world is overpopulated?" everyone goes "fuq yeh, traffic, lines at the stores etc etc"

But at 9 billion people, and remember that is approx 2 billion more than there are now, the world would have the same population density as France... how many of you have been to France? If you have you will know that on the whole it feels like there is plenty of space, empty room, lots of countryside etc and you would not say it is overpopulated. So the question on population is a loaded one and maybe before we ask if people should be killed or breed less we should ask "is the system we operate under right now the best one" and then maybe change that depending on the answer before practicing eugenics!

[jarvol]

Humans are parasites to the earth and the population has gone way past the tipping point. We are using more resources than the earth can replenishing yearly. Unsustainable.

[Creditsforedits]

Humans are parasites to the earth and the population has gone way past the tipping point. We are using more resources than the earth can replenishing yearly. Unsustainable.

If you truly believe that the problems of the world are caused by something as simple as the number of people and not the mismanagement and stupid systems we have to organise and utilise the people and resources on this planet... then you go first and drop the number!

[jarvol]

If you truly believe that the problems of the world are caused by something as simple as the number of people and not the mismanagement and stupid systems we have to organise and utilise the people and resources on this planet... then you go first and drop the number!

I refused to procreate and add to the problem. I did my part.

[Iced]

Thomas Malthus famously propagated the same overpopulation myth in the 19th century, just like many others have. As long as capitalism is allowed to flourish, resources will be made more abundant due to increased efficiency and better technology.

Of course, capitalism is being destroyed in the first-world countries of today so I have my doubts...

[Creditsforedits]

I refused to procreate and add to the problem. I did my part.

To be honest and this my opinion (as the OP asked for), and I don't know you so I could be wrong, but I think you are making a mistake.

Overpopulation is a complex issue and is not as simple as too many people for a finite space and number of resources. There is plenty of space - see my earlier comment about population density of France - and we could manage our resources so much better than we are.

The mistake I think you make is thinking that death and the non creation of life is the solution, I think it is a mistake in understanding the problem.

[EmpireMaker]

obviously less

[Creditsforedits]

Thomas Malthus famously propagated the same overpopulation myth in the 19th century, just like many others have. As long as capitalism is allowed to flourish, resources will be made more abundant due to increased efficiency and better technology. Of course, capitalism is being destroyed in the first-world countries of today so I have my doubts...

You are very correct, it is a myth and Malthus was definitely one of the modern protagonists of this, but it goes way, way back.. Plato wrote a lot about it as well.. the overpopulation myth has always been used by people high up in society to justify things like selective breeding, eugenics and social engineering and capitalism absolutely played its part in helping to spread it. As you say the idea being that the free market would move goods and money around from areas of abundance to areas of need and efficiency would create a great system in which this all worked.

Could talk about the theory of this for ages, but the fact is that what happened was that business discovered that efficiency is the absolute antithesis to profit and so capitalism, be it financial, monopoly, pluralist has at every stage been inefficient to continue the infinite growth paradigm. There are many examples from computers to labor practices, and yes I also accept that there are enterprises that have and continue to be efficient and produce good products, but they all hit a point where they cannot grow and create more profits unless they create inefficiencies and more demand somehow.

[doublej95]

3 billion less would be a good start.

[keyboarding]

Humans are parasites to the earth and the population has gone way past the tipping point. We are using more resources than the earth can replenishing yearly. Unsustainable.

Calm down, Agent Smith.

[Creditsforedits]

Every single person in this thread calling for one less person, justify why that person should not be you??!.. I guarantee you will call on things like "I contribute", "I do this, I do that", "I should not be the first one to be killed because of xy and z"

Because you believe that as a human being on this planet you have value and if you believe that, then why can the same not be said for everyone else? I am not saying it IS the case right now, but why can it not POTENTIALLY be!

Not one of you will be able to offer a calculated and evidenced argument to support a claim on a population number and the Earths ability to not support a SINGLE extra person beyond that.

Of course if you truly do believe it is a simple number game, then stand by your belief and be the first one to reduce the number...

[pavyracer]

Well you can start solving the problem by jumping off a bridge tonight head first.

[jarvol]

To be honest and this my opinion (as the OP asked for), and I don't know you so I could be wrong, but I think you are making a mistake.

Overpopulation is a complex issue and is not as simple as too many people for a finite space and number of resources. There is plenty of space - see my earlier comment about population density of France - and we could manage our resources so much better than we are.

The mistake I think you make is thinking that death and the non creation of life is the solution, I think it is a mistake in understanding the problem.

Space? Space is irrelevant. It is all about the Earth's resources being depleted at an unsustainable rate.

[keyboarding]

Because you believe that as a human being on this planet you have value and if you believe that, then why can the same not be said for everyone else? I am not saying it IS the case right now, but why can it not POTENTIALLY be!

Because human value can be measured. Maybe not in your eyes, but that's because you sound like a dirty hippy.

[ehp6737]

Is it overpopulation or mismanagement? If the world was managed well and everyone was contributing and doing good things then we would want more, as it is the world has a few problems and it is mostly people creating those problems so most people say less population would be good. However the notion of overpopulation is twisted, 80% of Americans live in cities, which are crowded and so feel overpopulated and you have to put up with all the sh*t that goes with too many people around you (in a poorly managed way), so then when someone says "do you think the world is overpopulated?" everyone goes "fuq yeh, traffic, lines at the stores etc etc" But at 9 billion people, and remember that is approx 2 billion more than there are now, the world would have the same population density as France... how many of you have been to France? If you have you will know that on the whole it feels like there is plenty of space, empty room, lots of countryside etc and you would not say it is overpopulated. So the question on population is a loaded one and maybe before we ask if people should be killed or breed less we should ask "is the system we operate under right now the best one" and then maybe change that depending on the answer before practicing eugenics!

If you truly believe that the problems of the world are caused by something as simple as the number of people and not the mismanagement and stupid systems we have to organise and utilise the people and resources on this planet... then you go first and drop the number!

To be honest and this my opinion (as the OP asked for), and I don't know you so I could be wrong, but I think you are making a mistake. Overpopulation is a complex issue and is not as simple as too many people for a finite space and number of resources. There is plenty of space - see my earlier comment about population density of France - and we could manage our resources so much better than we are. The mistake I think you make is thinking that death and the non creation of life is the solution, I think it is a mistake in understanding the problem.

You are very correct, it is a myth and Malthus was definitely one of the modern protagonists of this, but it goes way, way back.. Plato wrote a lot about it as well.. the overpopulation myth has always been used by people high up in society to justify things like selective breeding, eugenics and social engineering and capitalism absolutely played its part in helping to spread it. As you say the idea being that the free market would move goods and money around from areas of abundance to areas of need and efficiency would create a great system in which this all worked. Could talk about the theory of this for ages, but the fact is that what happened was that business discovered that efficiency is the absolute antithesis to profit and so capitalism, be it financial, monopoly, pluralist has at every stage been inefficient to continue the infinite growth paradigm. There are many examples from computers to labor practices, and yes I also accept that there are enterprises that have and continue to be efficient and produce good products, but they all hit a point where they cannot grow and create more profits unless they create inefficiencies and more demand somehow.

There is truth to what you have said. It is also irrelevant. You are stating a case on how we can be more efficient to increase the standard of living, which is true, we could improve on this. Problem is that's not the question. The question posed by the OP (which was a waste of a thread by the way) is "does the world need more or less people". No matter how we "manage" our population there is no scenario where adding people would make it better for the Earth. So we all become more efficient, use less natural resources, plan better, etc, etc. Now you want to add more people? That would be like Coca-Cola advertising they just cut the sugar content of there soda in half but with the same great taste.....so now you can drink 2 cans instead of just 1. WTF? You're right back where you started.

There is no scenario where it would be BENEFECIAL to add population. But 99% of us already knew that.

[ACoochy]

1.2 billion ppl in the world go hungry every day...u do the math

[Sunde91]

creditsforedits is 5 seconds from introducing the Venus Project as a solution and then I will laugh

[hostile takeover]

When you have 1 billion people in a single country there's probably too many.

[Masu485]

Who the hell would answer that we need more people in the world? Have you ever created a thread that isn't ignorant or asinine? What's next, "the pros and cons of having money" or "black people are fast because those fast enough to run from cops were the ones that got to procreate"?

No one wants more people in the world unless it's them bringing them in.

[Roxxyfish]

we need more

[bettilimbroke999]

Who the hell would answer that we need more people in the world? Have you ever created a thread that isn't ignorant or asinine? What's next, "the pros and cons of having money" or "black people are fast because those fast enough to run from cops were the ones that got to procreate"?

You're a braindead **** that must not realize ppl have to get pregnant and have kids, which they clearly do, in order to increase the population, it would be very simple and much cheaper to get sterilized instead if you believe having less is logical. You did make me laugh with your racist comment though, go post on Stormfront if theyll accept someone of your limited intelligence.

what would be the argument for "more people?"

Idk, thats why I asked, but people still have children. I figured by some logic they feel there is a need to put more ppl in the world. I am for having less ppl in the world so I dont have kids.

[bettilimbroke999]

Thomas Malthus famously propagated the same overpopulation myth in the 19th century, just like many others have. As long as capitalism is allowed to flourish, resources will be made more abundant due to increased efficiency and better technology.

Of course, capitalism is being destroyed in the first-world countries of today so I have my doubts...

He was right of course, London just like NY is ridiculously overpopulated. Terrible argument

[bettilimbroke999]

There is truth to what you have said. It is also irrelevant. You are stating a case on how we can be more efficient to increase the standard of living, which is true, we could improve on this. Problem is that's not the question. The question posed by the OP (which was a waste of a thread by the way) is "does the world need more or less people". No matter how we "manage" our population there is no scenario where adding people would make it better for the Earth. So we all become more efficient, use less natural resources, plan better, etc, etc. Now you want to add more people? That would be like Coca-Cola advertising they just cut the sugar content of there soda in half but with the same great taste.....so now you can drink 2 cans instead of just 1. WTF? You're right back where you started.

There is no scenario where it would be BENEFECIAL to add population. But 99% of us already knew that.

Awful lot of views/intelligent responses for a "waste of a thread", how bout you **** off and dont read every post and post in it if you dont like the thread

[bettilimbroke999]

Well you can start solving the problem by jumping off a bridge tonight head first.

I've read several of your posts, you could jump head first and do no damage

[Iced]

He was right of course, London just like NY is ridiculously overpopulated. Terrible argument

Malthus was wrong, very wrong. He predicted the rapidly rising population growth would lead to widespread poverty. The standard of living has since raised drastically and the poor are richer than at any other point in history.

[tatommack]

If you guys think I'm pro whitey I'm sorry if this comes out that way. But when Katrina hit I was so happy cause that's were so much of our tax dollars were going. So much crime and lazy black folk they needed to be taken out. Look for a big earthquake soon to take out LA.

[tatommack]

I also have a friend that has 3 kids and a wife lives at his moms collects unemployment and has done so for 2 years he never looks for a job neither does his wife and they get 800 per month in food stamps. It's people like him running this country into the ground. I think the best thing I ever heard was drug test for people on welfare.

[bettilimbroke999]

If you guys think I'm pro whitey I'm sorry if this comes out that way. But when Katrina hit I was so happy cause that's were so much of our tax dollars were going. So much crime and lazy black folk they needed to be taken out. Look for a big earthquake soon to take out LA.

Sounds a little racist but honestly if all the blacks were removed from the US the country would benefit incredibly

Sure the prisons might go out of business, alot of policemen and ppl in the welfare offices would lose their jobs but other than that....

[tatommack]

Sounds a little racist but honestly if all the blacks were removed from the US the country would benefit incredibly

Sure the prisons might go out of business, alot of policemen and ppl in the welfare offices would lose their jobs but other than that....

It's not just blacks mexicans to. When I drive by my local warfare office there's a ton of mexicans and blacks outside with kids to boot.

[AribaAriba]

evil.... until you die you would know your sole purpose of living or even being born at the face of the earth.