Should Pete Rose be allowed back in baseball?

element1286 · 06-30-08, 07:56 PM

No. If you bet on games you are banned from baseball. Those are the rules. I didn't write them.

moneyline · 06-30-08, 07:58 PM

Should be in the HOF though. Unless we want to take out all of the other gamblers, alcoholics, adulterers and imperfect people ...

(be a pretty lonely place)

mathdotcom · 06-30-08, 07:58 PM

Let him back!

onlooker · 06-30-08, 08:00 PM

Yes, if not in baseball, at least in the HOF.

THE HITMAN · 06-30-08, 08:06 PM

HOF for sure........there are already some guys in there who are jailbirds, so if you are counting character.........

element1286 · 06-30-08, 08:08 PM

If Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame then so should Shoeless Joe Jackson.

daggerkobe · 06-30-08, 08:23 PM

He agreed to the lifetime banishment, so why should he be.

I wouldn't allow him in the HoF either. He knew betting on baseball was the worst thing you could ever do as a player/manager. In fact, they have signs in every clubhouse warning you of this. He was even in charge of telling players of this sacred rule every spring.

He made his bed... so he should lie in it.

TheLock · 06-30-08, 08:24 PM

Can.Of.Worms.

element1286 · 06-30-08, 08:25 PM

He also lied about for 20 years. The guy is a self-serving jagoff.

daggerkobe · 06-30-08, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by moneyline

Should be in the HOF though. Unless we want to take out all of the other gamblers, alcoholics, adulterers and imperfect people ...

(be a pretty lonely place)

But there's no rules against alcohol, adultry and others. There is a rule against betting on baseball. He knew this everytime he walked in to the clubhouse and saw the sign displayed prominently warning of lifetime banishment for breaking the rule. Yet he did it anyways.

chance · 06-30-08, 08:31 PM

If you screw up. Be a man and fess up. Pete took way to long.

Bet Shooter · 06-30-08, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by TheLock

Can.Of.Worms.

Right on target. The problem is they could NEVER do anything for him. Baseball would then have to say that they condone wagering on games by players or coaches. This opens up that can of worms about game fixing and then the Books would see a drop in revenue because people would not have faith in the system that the games are a fair bet. It's hard enough for them to make money at Baseball. This would eventually make it worse.
You will see this play out in the NBA totals scandal and the refs in the playoffs trying to get more games in. You will also see the goverment get involved at some point for the same reason. LV wants these games to be fair and the rest of the world is trying to NOT have them that way. But they have a lobby in Washington to keep the pressure on the politicians to look like they are doing their due diligence about this. Same with steriods. Follow the money people, it's not in their best interest to allow this to happen. Way more money to be made if all was fair. That is why this guy is out on the island by himself and left to rot.

If he did drugs, he would be allowed back. If he killed someone they would at least think about it....

But gambling costs THEM money, so he is the outcast.

My Two Cents

NEP Dynasty · 06-30-08, 08:39 PM

Fukk him keep him out.

jjgold · 06-30-08, 08:42 PM

Petey should be allowed back, he is a saint compared to the steroid guys.

SBR Lou · 07-01-08, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Petey should be allowed back, he is a saint compared to the steroid guys.

Agree, it is a shame. Especially with as scummy and tainted as the MLB is now.

Illusion · 07-01-08, 12:52 AM

Pete should be allowed in the hall of fame only.

Kaps · 07-01-08, 12:54 AM

he should at least be allowed in the HOF ....wish he was a manager

bettilimbroke999 · 07-01-08, 01:31 AM

HOF only, betting on games as a manager/player when you are in a position to influence the outcome is ridiculous, I mean think of how you could manipulate the scoring, tell a guy to sac bunt to keep the under in tact or pull a shit pitcher after he gives up a couple hits and put in your ace, c'mon the list goes on and on, if they'd let me manage the games I bet on I'd be the richest sob you ever saw, I'd be telling Manny to sac bunt with guys on 1st and second and no outs, tell Ortiz to steal second against Pettitte. Rose knew exactly what he was doing and admits to betting AGAINST his own team while he was managing them, but yes he should be in HOF.

VegasDave · 07-01-08, 01:52 AM

Sorry to push my own stuff here, but I did a few shows on this a few weeks back... about how much worse taking steroids is to gambling...

http://www.davesdime.com/2008/06/04/gambling-vs-steriods-may-30-2008/

http://www.davesdime.com/2008/06/04/gambling-vs-steriods-part-2-may-31-2008/

Broke Sport Guy · 07-01-08, 01:55 AM

He broke the rules. Really is that simple. No HOF No managing.

ryanXL977 · 07-01-08, 01:55 AM

no chance
he gambled on the game
anybody who bets knows how much a MANAGER CAN AFFECT THE GAME

**** no
in every clubhouse is a sign that says no gambling

daggerkobe · 07-01-08, 02:44 AM

What Pete did was far far worse than taking steroids. At least those who took steroid did it to try and win. Pete threw games on purpose so he could win his bets.

If outcomes were scripted, the integrity of the game would be meaningless as well as the spirit of competiton. It would be no better than WWE or tennis.

VegasDave · 07-01-08, 03:37 AM

The last two posters are uneducated on the matter...

Rose never, ever bet against the Reds. He bet on other games and then eventually bet for the Reds, on his own team to win. He never bet against them and he never threw games or anything of the sort.

If he were fixing his own games, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. He never did so.

BurtRapp · 07-01-08, 04:56 AM

I am starting to think that the fact that he is not in the HOF is a good thing for him. We always talk about him around the All-Star game. It gets him a ton of publicity. Lets face it - no ONE and I MEAN NO ONE will ver have 4000 hits again. This guy was a Ted Williams type of hitter with far less talent and more hustle. Top 5 hitter of all time.

MBENZ · 07-01-08, 06:05 AM

Betting on ballgames has nothing to do with his play on the field,those of us that were lucky enough to see him on the field will never ever see another player with his zest for the sport.Guy never took the day off,HOF for sure.

daggerkobe · 07-01-08, 07:42 AM

Rose never bet against the Red? John Dowd would disagree with you. Who is he? He was the investigator hired by Giamatti to prove whether Rose bet on baseball. His report is the reason Rose agreed to the lifetime ban. Well Mr Dowd has said he believes Rose bet against the Reds. The only one claiming that it never happened is the liar himself who for 14 years acted like he was the victim of a witch hunt, lying to all his fans that he never bet on baseball. So we're suppose to believe him now? He was betting $15,000 a day on the Reds games so we're to believe he was never tempted to throw a game or two which is easier to do than try and win? Reds weren't the Yanks or the Red Sox, they weren't very good. So why would anyone be stupid enough to bet them to win every night? Makes no sense.

Plus it was well known with the bookies that Rose would never bet the Reds when two pitchers started. Hmmmm why would someone who believes in his team not bet them when certain players pitched?

Fcuk Rose. He knew the consequences of betting on baseball yet chose to ignore it. He should never be allowed back. Not even as a peanut vendor.

Perl · 07-01-08, 08:26 AM

He should be HOF. Like ALL OF US HERE in this forum, he gambled, but you know guys, gambling is like a disease hard to control. What he did in the field has nothing to do with his gambling habits, and he did it with no roids.

SBR Lou · 07-01-08, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Perl

He should be HOF. Like ALL OF US HERE in this forum, he gambled, but you know guys, gambling is like a disease hard to control. What he did in the field has nothing to do with his gambling habits, and he did it with no roids.

He was the hit king, and for that I'll always respect him...

jjgold · 07-01-08, 10:50 AM

managing has nothing to do with playing, we can put holes in lots of hall of famers off the field activities.

youngsc · 07-01-08, 10:59 AM

HOF as player but never be allowed back in the game in a capacity that could affect an outcome. For whatever reason I don't know this but can someone explain to me how he was found out in the first place? I mean did he slip up or did people get suspicious?

Bullajami · 07-01-08, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by youngsc

For whatever reason I don't know this but can someone explain to me how he was found out in the first place? I mean did he slip up or did people get suspicious?

He used two runners to place his bets with the bookie. They got pinched for dealing drugs and ratted out Pete to get reduced sentences.

Investigator Dowd's objectivity in the case has been questioned on many levels. There has never been any substantive evidence that Pete bet against the Reds.

I don't understand why ban from baseball includes a HoF ban. They should not be the same.

ryanXL977 · 07-01-08, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by usckingsfan31

The last two posters are uneducated on the matter...

Rose never, ever bet against the Reds. He bet on other games and then eventually bet for the Reds, on his own team to win. He never bet against them and he never threw games or anything of the sort.

If he were fixing his own games, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. He never did so.

he never bet against his team says who? you?

Willie Bee · 07-01-08, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by moneyline

Should be in the HOF though. Unless we want to take out all of the other gamblers, alcoholics, adulterers and imperfect people ...

In 100% agreement. He should be in the Hall of Fame. Old journeyman Jim Dwyer once commented that, "Cooperstown was for baseball people; heaven is for good people." They should announce they're hanging his plaque but not have any formal induction ceremony for Rose.

But at the same time, MLB should stand firm that he never has another job with MLB. Ever.

AC1318 · 07-01-08, 01:06 PM

why not
on the field he gave 100% so hall of fame should be without question

so what if he gambled a bit so does everyone hear

I could think of a million worse things he could of done

all the assholes with their nose in the air are in charge of making that call so it won't happen but IMO it is a bunch of shit

even if gambling is against the rules so are drug enhancements I still see them dopers playing