Had AL Gore been President in 2000

[crustyme]

What information?!?

You guys can't possibly be this stupid. Read the memo and tell me what it contained that wasn't common knowledge

are you thick?

"bin laden determined to strike within the us"

[rsnnh12]

an urgent warning of an impending attack without when/where/how is just as important as with it.

if you received the following warning "your mom will be murdered........" you'd ignore it because it didn't say "your mom will be murdered...... at 5pm in the parking structure of macy's on 2nd & main"?

Please tell me where in that memo it said anything about an impending attack. They had no idea anything was even being planned, as far as that memo is concerned

[rsnnh12]

are you thick?

"bin laden determined to strike within the us"

That was common knowledge, dumbass. He had attacked us a few times before, isn't it assumed he still would? By your logic, everyone in America is to blame, since we all had the knowledge of what the memo said and we didn't stop it

[crustyme]

was this "common" knowledge too, retard?


Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

[crustyme]

Please tell me where in that memo it said anything about an impending attack. They had no idea anything was even being planned, as far as that memo is concerned

this part that you omitted from the memo

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York

[frostno98]

Considering how very recent the USS Cole bombing was in October 2000, anything with an Osama bullentin on it should had been met with urgency.

[rsnnh12]

this part that you omitted from the memo

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York

Sorry, Google images only had the first page. The FBI had investigated that, know what it was? Two Yemeni tourists. It wasn't al Qaeda.

So, again, what info did Bush receive that he knowingly didn't act on when he should have?

[rkelly110]

Wow crusty, everything you are saying about Bush in his golf playing, vacations, and ignoring
sounds like who?

[rsnnh12]

Considering how very recent the USS Cole bombing was in October 2000, anything with an Osama bullentin on it should had been met with urgency.

All it said was that he wanted to attack. Yeah, no shit. You don't think our intelligence agencies had been trying to find him?

[crustyme]

Sorry, Google images only had the first page. The FBI had investigated that, know what it was? Two Yemeni tourists. It wasn't al Qaeda.

So, again, what info did Bush receive that he knowingly didn't act on when he should have?

sure, blame it on google, lying douche.

this was the 4th gif posted on 1st page when googling:






what parts of "bin laden determined to strike within the us"
"preparations for hijackings"
"surveillance of new york"

do you not understand, idiot?

again, if you received a warning "your mom will be murdered...." you would ignore it? hmmmm, considering you're a slimeball neocon, you probably hate her guts and would murder her yourself.

[crustyme]

Wow crusty, everything you are saying about Bush in his golf playing, vacations, and ignoring
sounds like who?

i don't know anyone else that has taken nearly 1000 vacation days (33%) of his presidency like bush.

[rkelly110]

Our current prez. Give him time.

[crustyme]

Our current prez. Give him time.

oh really?

according to this obama took 26 days of vacation in his first year as president. bush 69 days. so you're saying obama has made up the 43 days of vacation time since then? care to cite your reference?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/

[rsnnh12]

sure, blame it on google, lying douche.

this was the 4th gif posted on 1st page when googling:






what parts of "bin laden determined to strike within the us"
"preparations for hijackings"
"surveillance of new york"

do you not understand, idiot?

again, if you received a warning "your mom will be murdered...." you would ignore it? hmmmm, considering you're a slimeball neocon, you probably hate her guts and would murder her yourself.

Hey genius, Google "bush osama memo" and tell me what page that comes up on . But you're right, I'm lying o

The FBI investigated the "surveillance of New York" intel (without being asked by Bush, because believe it or not, they don't need their hand held) and it was found to be 2 tourists. What were they supposed to do? Keep investigating a lead that had proven useless and take time away from other leads? What if they had done that, and missed the hypothetical lead for 9/11? You'd be pissed about them chasing bad leads, wouldn't you?

I love the personal insults, you're really showing your skills in debating

[Wrigley]

If it were not for Al Gore there would be no internet

[crustyme]

Hey genius, Google "bush osama memo" and tell me what page that comes up on . But you're right, I'm lying o

The FBI investigated the "surveillance of New York" intel (without being asked by Bush, because believe it or not, they don't beard their hand held) and it was round to be 2 tourists. What were they supposed to do? Keep investigating a lead that had proven useless and take time away from other leads? What if they had done that, and missed the hypothetical lead for 9/11? You'd be pissed about them chasing bad leads, wouldn't you?

I love the personal insults, you're really showing your skills in debating

pretty sneaky how you don't post the bottom part of the memo but have an instant answer for it. lying douche.

i knew there was a part about hijackings in there which is why i knew to search for it myself. we both know you weren't going to mention it of course since it blows your stupid argument out of the water.

so what were bush's findings about the "preparations for hijackings" and "group of bin laden supporters in the us planning attacks with explosives?"



name another terrorist attack that came with a warning as detailed as this one (almost all correct). there wasn't one, dummy. yet you neocon idiots are quick to blame clinton for other attacks that came with no warning.

[rsnnh12]

pretty sneaky how you don't post the bottom part of the memo but have an instant answer for it. lying douche.

i knew there was a part about hijackings in there which is why i knew to search for it myself. we both know you weren't going to mention it of course since it blows your stupid argument out of the water.

so what were bush's findings about the "preparations for hijackings" and "group of bin laden supporters in the us planning attacks with explosives?"



name another terrorist attack that came with a warning as detailed as this one (almost all correct). there wasn't one, dummy. yet you neocon idiots are quick to blame clinton for other attacks that came with no warning.

What the hell are you talking about? I googled "bush osama memo" and posted what was on the 1st page. After you called me a liar, I googled it again, searched through 5+ pages without seeing the full thing, then asked you to find what page it was on under that search. Yea, clearly I'm lying

Obviously nothing came of the FBI search. They don't need Bush to hold their hand and baby them. If they found something remotely important, they would have passed the info along and maybe something could have been done.

You think they just pass all their info to the president and let him tell them what to do?

And what does Clinton have to do with anything?

[crustyme]

What the hell are you talking about? I googled "bush osama memo" and posted what was on the 1st page. After you called me a liar, I googled it again, searched through 5+ pages without seeing the full thing, then asked you to find what page it was on under that search. Yea, clearly I'm lying

Obviously nothing came of the FBI search. They don't need Bush to hold their hand and baby them. If they found something remotely important, they would have passed the info along and maybe something could have been done.

You think they just pass all their info to the president and let him tell them what to do?

And what does Clinton have to do with anything?

clearly you are lying. you obviously knew about the last two paragraphs of the memo (the most important parts of the memo btw), detailing the planned hijackings, surveillence of nyc and bin laden supporters planning attacks with explosives. yet acted like you had no idea they existed. but as soon as i posted them, you had an immediate answer for one of them.



clearly you have no idea what the fbi does. they did what they were suppose to do, gather intelligence and report the findings to the person who has the executive power to do what he wishes with the findings: the president. once in bush's hands what did he do? went to play golf and went on a month long vacation. according to the testimony of his staff, he never once discussed the detailed warnings with anyone. what an incompetent lazy idiot.

you really have no idea why i mentioned clinton? even after you neocon idiots blame him for all the embassy and cole bombings even though he was never given a detailed warning like bush was for 9/11?

[rsnnh12]

clearly you are lying. you obviously knew about the last two paragraphs of the memo (the most important parts of the memo btw), detailing the planned hijackings, surveillence of nyc and bin laden supporters planning attacks with explosives. yet acted like you had no idea they existed. but as soon as i posted them, you had an immediate answer for one of them.



clearly you have no idea what the fbi does. they did what they were suppose to do, gather intelligence and report the findings to the person who has the executive power to do what he wishes with the findings: the president. once in bush's hands what did he do? went to play golf and went on a month long vacation. according to the testimony of his staff, he never once discussed the detailed warnings with anyone. what an incompetent lazy idiot.

you really have no idea why i mentioned clinton? even after you neocon idiots blame him for all the embassy and cole bombings even though he was never given a detailed warning like bush was for 9/11?

I answered it quickly because it was explained in the first link on Google under my original search terms

"Detailing the planned hijackings"? What details? That they had some leads on stuff? They checked all that crap out on their own, and it obviously didn't lead anywhere.

Again, you think the FBI needs presidential approval Ford everything they do? . There's a reason why there's a chain of command, with very experienced, trusted people at the top... to do what needs to be done. The presidential brief is just to keep him up to date, and if he feels they aren't doing the right thing, he'll override them... pretty common sense.

[rickbo528]

This country would of been in great hands financially today. Sept 11 probably had even happen.

Yeah and this 56 year old man can beat Kobe, Lebron, and D Wade 1 on 3 in hoops too!!!!!!!!

[crustyme]

I answered it quickly because it was explained in the first link on Google under my original search terms

"Detailing the planned hijackings"? What details? That they had some leads on stuff? They checked all that crap out on their own, and it obviously didn't lead anywhere.

Again, you think the FBI needs presidential approval Ford everything they do? . There's a reason why there's a chain of command, with very experienced, trusted people at the top... to do what needs to be done. The presidential brief is just to keep him up to date, and if he feels they aren't doing the right thing, he'll override them... pretty common sense.

sure it was. then why did you post the .gif knowing it was missing the final 2 important paragraphs?



cite your source that says the hijacking findings didn't lead anywhere. or are you talking out of your ass again?

so you think fbi reports every investigations to the president? you do know that means he couldn't take any vacations. no way he would've spent anywhere near 33% of his presidency on vacation if that were the case.

the hijackings were reported to him because they were urgent national security matters and required his action! but he decided to go play golf instead.

[andywend]

Obama is STILL BLAMING Bush, a full 2 years and 7 months into his presidency.

According to this FAILURE of a president, the 637 point drop today was caused by the former president.

Like all liberal democrats, Obama is totally inept and refuses to take responsiblity for WRECKING this country.

King Mayan, is there anybody in this forum that you haven't picked a fight with?

[King Mayan]

Obama is STILL BLAMING Bush, a full 2 years and 7 months into his presidency.

Like all liberal democrats, Obama is totally inept and refuses to take responsiblity for WRECKING this country.

King Mayan, is there anybody in this forum that you haven't picked a fight with? SBR needs to ban your ass.

I pick fights?? you talk shit over the Internet but can't back it up old man, MAN UP.

[rsnnh12]

sure it was. then why did you post the .gif knowing it was missing the final 2 important paragraphs?



cite your source that says the hijacking findings didn't lead anywhere. or are you talking out of your ass again?

so you think fbi reports every investigations to the president? you do know that means he couldn't take any vacations. no way he would've spent anywhere near 33% of his presidency on vacation if that were the case.

the hijackings were reported to him because they were urgent national security matters and required his action! but he decided to go play golf instead.

The CIA and FBI give the president a briefing every single day, so yes, they do tell him about their national security investigations... it was just that, a briefing, one that Bush reportedly requested (although we really don't know how true that is). If the FBI or CIA needed his authorization for anything, don't you think they would've mentioned it in the memo?

[crustyme]

Obama is STILL BLAMING Bush, a full 2 years and 7 months into his presidency.

According to this FAILURE of a president, the 637 point drop today was caused by the former president.

Like all liberal democrats, Obama is totally inept and refuses to take responsiblity for WRECKING this country.

King Mayan, is there anybody in this forum that you haven't picked a fight with?

kinda like how reagan blamed carter for the recession and 10.8% unemployment even though they happened 2 years in to his presidency?

[andywend]

I pick fights?? you talk shit over the Internet but can't back it up old man, MAN UP.

You have threatened violence with at least half a dozen different posters because you don't like what they said. As much as I despise people with your kind of views, you have every right to express them as do I.

As great a job as Marines do for this country, so many of them leave with a total lack of self-control and that appears to be the case with you. I wonder why that is?

[andywend]

kinda like how reagan blamed carter for the recession and 10.8% unemployment even though they happened 2 years in to his presidency?

Crusty, were you even born when Jimmy Carter was president? Putting it kindly, Carter left the U.S. in an incredibly unique situation.

Barack Obama blaming President Bush for today's 637 point drop in the market is PATHETIC!!! Even as liberal as you are, I would be surprised if you agree with Obama's statement.

[King Mayan]

You have threatened violence with at least half a dozen different posters because you don't like what they said. As much as I despise people with your kind of views, you have every right to express them as do I.

As great a job as Marines do for this country, so many of them leave with a total lack of self-control and that appears to be the case with you. I wonder why that is?

Andywend, I have never threatened violence to anybody, I have said If anybody wants to meet up and handle shit like men, I'm all for it. I don't go around SBR and say "I'll kick your ass muthafukka".

And you have different political views, that's great, but don't attack me personally and expect me to bowdown. Not my nature.

[crustyme]

The CIA and FBI give the president a briefing every single day, so yes, they do tell him about their national security investigations... it was just that, a briefing, one that Bush reportedly requested (although we really don't know how true that is). If the FBI or CIA needed his authorization for anything, don't you think they would've mentioned it in the memo?

no they don't. cia & fbi only briefs the president when it concerns the national security and international intelligence and situations. not every damn case they are investigating.



cia had to deliver the memo to bush cause he was already vacationing in texas! stayed on vacation and never once discussed the warnings with anyone!



oh, and where's that source you claim proves the hijacking claims in the memo were false?

[crustyme]

Crusty, were you even born when Jimmy Carter was president? Putting it kindly, Carter left the U.S. in an incredibly unique situation.

Barack Obama blaming President Bush for today's 637 point drop in the market is PATHETIC!!! Even as liberal as you are, I would be surprised if you agree with Obama's statement.

and bush didn't?

[rsnnh12]

no they don't. cia & fbi only briefs the president when it concerns the national security and international intelligence and situations. not every damn case they are investigating.



cia had to deliver the memo to bush cause he was already vacationing in texas! stayed on vacation and never once discussed the warnings with anyone!



oh, and where's that source you claim proves the hijacking claims in the memo were false?

I love when you show that you have no clue what you're talking about.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President's_Daily_Brief

"The President's Daily Brief (PDB), sometimes incorrectly referred to as the President's Daily Briefing or the President's Daily Bulletin, is a top-secret document produced each morning for the President of the United States. Responsibility for producing the PDB —which was traditionally held by the director of the Central Intelligence Agency —was transferred to the Director of National Intelligence at the time, John Negroponte, after he was confirmed by the Senate on April 21, 2005."

"The PDB is intended to provide the president of the United States with new international intelligence warranting attention and analysis of sensitive international situations."

You're right though, they only brief him during emergencies

[wikkidinsane]

Obama killed Osama in 2 years n 6 months running shit. Bush couldnt in 8 long ass years. Who wins on that argument?

[ACoochy]

Obama killed Osama in 2 years n 6 months running shit. Bush couldnt in 8 long ass years. Who wins on that argument?

Thats all Obama has to continually reiterate to the masses come election time and he will be a sure thing 4 2nd term...

[rkelly110]

Andywend, I have never threatened violence to anybody, I have said If anybody wants to meet up and handle shit like men, I'm all for it. I don't go around SBR and say "I'll kick your ass muthafukka".

And you have different political views, that's great, but don't attack me personally and expect me to bowdown. Not my nature.

It's funny, you can tell who a republican is by how they post.

Somewhere in there they will attack you personally, with name calling and put
your name in a post to categorize you.

That would not be tolerated face to face. IMO

[rocky502]

Isn't it funny how the liberals in here have such a double standard when it comes to Obama/Bush? Bush 100% responsible for a terrorist attack that happened 8 months into his presidency yet Obama does not have to accept any personal responsibility over two and a half years into his presidency for anything. So if you are republican, you are fully held accountable for everything that happens from the day you are sworn in. If you are Obama, the nuthuggers will let you be a total fukkup for two and a half years and it is still not your fault. Typical liberal victim mentality syndrome.