Had AL Gore been President in 2000

[jarvol]

Any fool that believes that this nation would be better off had Al Gore won the election in 2000 is just showing his complete and total ignorance.

Well looking back over the past 11 years......America probably couldn't have gotten any worse if he had won.

[DwightShrute]

This country would of been in great hands financially today. Sept 11 probably had even happen.

Sept 11 probably had even happen?? WTF??

ya and ..

• Miami would have won 5 Super Bowls
• California would be running a huge surplus
• Iran and Israel would be at peace
• the Dow would be at 22,000
• Gas would be at $1.23 a gallon
• Katrina would have never happened
• the Japan earthquake and tsunami wouldn't have happened
• Johnny Lee Hooker would still be playing the blues
• Richard Pryor and George Carlin would still be doing stand-up
• Michael Jackson would still be alive

[pavyracer]

I'm curious to see how the new president in 2013 will fix all this mess. Because if the plan is no more taxes and no more paying interest payments on debt owned to China and Japan people would start emigrating from US to other countries which will be ironic.

[rsnnh12]

did bush?

Ummm, yes? It was part of his daily briefing...



The memo is easily found online if this isn't showing up well. Please tell me how Bush was supposed to stop 9/11 based on this memo?

Its the equivalent of cops getting a tip that members of MS13 are determined to deal drugs in LA. Everyone knows it is true, based on their previous actions and there being no known attitude change, but do you expect cops to stop the deal from happening? Of course not, because they have no idea when, where, and how the deal will go down. Same thing with this memo

[KKoz9]

This thread is the beginning of the Idiocracy...

[crustyme]

Ummm, yes? It was part of his daily briefing...



The memo is easily found online if this isn't showing up well. Please tell me how Bush was supposed to stop 9/11 based on this memo?

Its the equivalent of cops getting a tip that members of MS13 are determined to deal drugs in LA. Everyone knows it is true, based on their previous actions and there being no known attitude change, but do you expect cops to stop the deal from happening? Of course not, because they have no idea when, where, and how the deal will go down. Same thing with this memo

if a cop sent you a memo titled "urgent - street gang determined to strike your house" would you ignore it because it didn't have the exact date and time of the attack?



bush was sent multiple warnings. but he wasn't interested enough to even grant a face to face meeting with his anti-terroism expert. if someone sent me an urgent memo titled "bin laden determined to attack in the us"..... i would at least listen to what the guy had to say. instead, bush went on a month long vacation.

[rsnnh12]

if a cop sent you a memo titled "urgent - street gang determined to strike your house" would you ignore it because it didn't have the exact date and time of the attack?



bush was sent multiple warnings. but he wasn't interested enough to even grant a face to face meeting with his anti-terroism expert. if someone sent me an urgent memo titled "bin laden determined to attack in the us"..... i would at least listen to what the guy had to say. instead, bush went on a month long vacation.

Your analogy is terrible... Our country is a little bigger than a house. Plus, if your house had already been attacked by gangs and it was obvious they would again because of a personal grudge against your house, wouldn't you assume they would attack again and do whatever you realistically could to stop them? What was Bush supposed to do, ban people from coming to the US and kick every middle eastern person out?

The memo didn't mention a new plan on Osama's end, didn't mention a target, nothing. What could Bush have done? If the guy really had something better to say, shouldn't he have put that in the memo? Or better yet, made an emergency meeting? . He didn't, because he had no idea what, if anything, was coming.

Again, I'll ask, what in that memo was Bush supposed to use to stop 9/11?

[crustyme]

Your analogy is terrible... Our country is a little bigger than a house. Plus, if your house had already been attacked by gangs and it was obvious they would again because of a personal grudge against your house, wouldn't you assume they would attack again and do whatever you realistically could to stop them? What was Bush supposed to do, ban people from coming to the US and kick every middle eastern person out?

The memo didn't mention a new plan on Osama's end, didn't mention a target, nothing. What could Bush have done? If the guy really had something better to say, shouldn't he have put that in the memo? Or better yet, made an emergency meeting? . He didn't, because he had no idea what, if anything, was coming.

Again, I'll ask, what in that memo was Bush supposed to use to stop 9/11?

actually, it was a great analogy. the fact that you wouldn't ignore such a threat proves my point.

any normal person would take such a threat seriously even if they didn't specify when, where & how. doesn't matter if it's your house, city, state or country. but not bush.

if boston was attacked by terrorists and it was later revealed the mayor went on a vacation after receiving a memo titled "urgent - al qaeda determined to strike within boston" you'd be perfectly fine with that?? of course not.

any competent leader would have met face to face with the person who kept sending memos marked urgent & titled "bin laden determined to strike within the us." a leader would have wanted to know everything he knew. he would have gathered all his intelligence agents from the cia, fbi, etc. to ask what they knew of this threat. maybe then he would have discovered that the fbi had files on the hijackers enrolled in flight schools, that cia had published warnings of al qaeda using commercial jets flying in to buildings. then he would have been able to connect the dots and stopped 9/11.

but the lazy fuk did absolutely nothing.... except go play golf and then take a month long vacation.

[rsnnh12]

actually, it was a great analogy. the fact that you wouldn't ignore such a threat proves my point.

any normal person would take such a threat seriously even if they didn't specify when, where & how. doesn't matter if it's your house, city, state or country. but not bush.

if boston was attacked by terrorists and it was later revealed the mayor went on a vacation after receiving a memo titled "urgent - al qaeda determined to strike within boston" you'd be perfectly fine with that?? of course not.

any competent leader would have met face to face with the person who kept sending memos marked urgent & titled "bin laden determined to strike within the us." a leader would have wanted to know everything he knew. he would have gathered all his intelligence agents from the cia, fbi, etc. to ask what they knew of this threat. maybe then he would have discovered that the fbi had files on the hijackers enrolled in flight schools, that cia had published warnings of al qaeda using commercial jets flying in to buildings. then he would have been able to connect the dots and stopped 9/11.

but the lazy fuk did absolutely nothing.... except go play golf and then take a month long vacation.

Jesus christ, you are clueless. We already knew Osama was determined to strike in the US! The memo was not news!

Everything you suggested relies completely on hindsight, as if the terrorists behind 9/11 were the only people the FBI had the names of, as if the CIA only had planes as missiles for a possible threat (have a source for that btw?)

Do you think they need presidential approval to investigate their leads? . If they had anything substantial, they would have run with it. Clearly they didn't.

There are plenty of reasons to hate Bush, but this is just retarded

[wikkidinsane]

And how did the poor/middle class get more tax cuts than the rich? Corporate welfare need to stop. Im all for welfare for the poor because unlike the corporate fat cats they have a harder time "working the system" like the greedy fuks at the top. One might say lack of education is the reason the poor are poor but it's the lack of human decency by the rich and constant brainwashing of the mass and power that keep this gap continue to gape like a white womans vag being penetrated by a mandingo blackman

[rsnnh12]

And how did the poor/middle class get more tax cuts than the rich? Corporate welfare need to stop. Im all for welfare for the poor because unlike the corporate fat cats they have a harder time "working the system" like the greedy fuks at the top. One might say lack of education is the reason the poor are poor but it's the lack of human decency by the rich and constant brainwashing of the mass and power that keep this gap continue to gape like a white womans vag being penetrated by a mandingo blackman

Higher percentage of their income tax percent was cut, plus the EIC tax credit helped lower/middle class more.

How do the poor have a harder time working the system? Most of them pay no income tax, get welfare/food stamps/housing assistance, majority of which is paid by the rich.

I'm not saying we should feel bad for the rich, far from it, but demanding even more from them instead of being self sufficient is pretty ridiculous to me.

[jarvol]

And how did the poor/middle class get more tax cuts than the rich?

They got MORE than the rich on a percentage basis. R-E-A-D the bill.

[crustyme]

Jesus christ, you are clueless. We already knew Osama was determined to strike in the US! The memo was not news!

Everything you suggested relies completely on hindsight, as if the terrorists behind 9/11 were the only people the FBI had the names of, as if the CIA only had planes as missiles for a possible threat (have a source for that btw?)

Do you think they need presidential approval to investigate their leads? . If they had anything substantial, they would have run with it. Clearly they didn't.

There are plenty of reasons to hate Bush, but this is just retarded

actually it was news. even gore has said never once in the previous 8 years of clinton/gore did they ever receive such an urgent warning of an impending attack within the us. clinton didn't even need such a warning to put the country on alert, which led to the lax bomber being apprehended.

even if it were "nothing new," why didn't bush, the new president, meet with his staff anti-terrorism expert for at least a briefing? instead he played hide and go seek and refused to even have 1 face to face meeting. what a great leader.

how is knowing that hijackers were enrolled in flight schools and that al qaeda planned to use planes as weapons http://www.propagandamatrix.com/mi6_...da_attacks.htm, hindsight? anyone who knew these info along with "bin laden determined to strike within the us" would have been able to connect the dots. even forrest gump would have been able to figure it out, but not bush.

fbi field agents were clamoring to investigate the hijackers but were rebuffed by their superiors. but had bush gathered them all and alerted them to "bin laden determined to strike within the us", they would certainly have changed their minds.

9/11 would have been prevented had bush not been such a miserable failure.

[rsnnh12]

actually it was news. even gore has said never once in the previous 8 years of clinton/gore did they ever receive such an urgent warning of an impending attack within the us. clinton didn't even need such a warning to put the country on alert, which led to the lax bomber being apprehended.

even if it were "nothing new," why didn't bush, the new president, meet with his staff anti-terrorism expert for at least a briefing? instead he played hide and go seek and refused to even have 1 face to face meeting. what a great leader.

how is knowing that hijackers were enrolled in flight schools and that al qaeda planned to use planes as weapons http://www.propagandamatrix.com/mi6_...da_attacks.htm, hindsight? anyone who knew these info along with "bin laden determined to strike within the us" would have been able to connect the dots. even forrest gump would have been able to figure it out, but not bush.

fbi field agents were clamoring to investigate the hijackers but were rebuffed by their superiors. but had bush gathered them all and alerted them to "bin laden determined to strike within the us", they would certainly have changed their minds.

9/11 would have been prevented had bush not been such a miserable failure.

Your hatred for 1 man is mind blowing. Do you think the CIA relies solely on presidential decisions to make moves on good intel? You also seem to think the president just gathers every CIA and FBI agent to debrief them on every one of his daily debriefings?

Again, if the CIA had any clue as to what was coming, they would have done more than send a vague memo for the president's PDB. The memo gave them nothing they didn't already know. I knew Osama was determined to attack in the US... does that mean I should have stopped him?

Again, you don't seem to understand just how many potential risks the FBI looks at... it wasn't just 19 guys that they had info on. There is no way for them to have stopped it on the info they had, short of shear luck.

From your link-
Information did not specify targets and would not necessarily have enabled US agencies to prevent attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, intelligence sources said

[cranzter]

we would be in the exact same spot

[crustyme]

Your hatred for 1 man is mind blowing. Do you think the CIA relies solely on presidential decisions to make moves on good intel? You also seem to think the president just gathers every CIA and FBI agent to debrief them on every one of his daily debriefings?

Again, if the CIA had any clue as to what was coming, they would have done more than send a vague memo for the president's PDB. The memo gave them nothing they didn't already know. I knew Osama was determined to attack in the US... does that mean I should have stopped him?

Again, you don't seem to understand just how many potential risks the FBI looks at... it wasn't just 19 guys that they had info on. There is no way for them to have stopped it on the info they had, short of shear luck.

From your link-
Information did not specify targets and would not necessarily have enabled US agencies to prevent attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, intelligence sources said

yeah why hate a scumbag responsible for killing 10,000 americans, 100,000s of iraqi civilians, allowed 9/11 to happen unabated, destroyed the economy, caused the collapse of the housing market, caused the economy to tank all around the world, lost millions of jobs, wasted trillions invading an unarmed country, caused oil prices to spike to $5/gal, pissed on the us constitution, spied on his own people, raided social security in the tune of $1.3 trillion, cost americans $19 tillion in lost personal wealth, etc. etc......

where did i say bush had to gather all the field agents together? all the intelligence agencies have white house liasions. all he had to do was order fbi & cia to investigate the "bin laden determined to strike within the us" threat and they would have shifted their focus. i mean he certainly doesn't have a problem ordering the intelligence community around, he ordered them to find non existent links between iraq and 911 the day after. and after being told non existed, he ordered them to do it again!!!!!!!

again, anyone who knew "bin laden determined to strike within the us", hijackers enrolled in flight schools and al qaeda using commerial jets as weapons would have put 2 and 2 together. even a crackhead drunk idiot would've put it together had he not been busy playing golf and taking vacations.

[wikkidinsane]

Higher percentage of their income tax percent was cut, plus the EIC tax credit helped lower/middle class more.

How do the poor have a harder time working the system? Most of them pay no income tax, get welfare/food stamps/housing assistance, majority of which is paid by the rich.

I'm not saying we should feel bad for the rich, far from it, but demanding even more from them instead of being self sufficient is pretty ridiculous to me.

so what about tax breaks corporations been receiving since forever. Tell me how much the rich gained in tax cuts in the last 20 years compared to the measley 300-400 dollar check people received all over the country. I think the rich got them beat. You really think people dont want to work and make a honest living? I dont buy that. Yes there is definately people who have given up on life because of hardships but most would take a job tomorrow doing X and receive a check weekly rather than collect that welfare check.

I want to see you try and be self sufficient with absolutely nothing. Take away everything YOU own and see how self sufficient you can be. Maybe go into the woods and be a caveman. This didnt just happen overnight. Take for example, a homeless guy goes in to get a job because believe it or not he still has the ability to perform the skill that is required for the job and is adept at it, but he is wearing some shitty ass clothes, his breathe stinks, he doesnt have an address, doesn't have shoes on etc. When he walks into the building for an interview a rich man spits on him and dont even give him the time of day by calling security to escort his bum ass out the bulding

[wikkidinsane]

They got MORE than the rich on a percentage basis. R-E-A-D the bill.

1 percent is rich and 99 percent poor/middle class. So yeh the EIC tax credit was meant for the poor/middle class to spend so what is your point?

[PittsburghPlayer]

George Bush, was a drunk that snorted cocaine into his thirties, did not even complete his national guard stateside duty because he could not pass a drug test, then sent thousands to their deaths. What a fukking douchbag.

[rsnnh12]

yeah why hate a scumbag responsible for killing 10,000 americans, 100,000s of iraqi civilians, allowed 9/11 to happen unabated, destroyed the economy, caused the collapse of the housing market, caused the economy to tank all around the world, lost millions of jobs, wasted trillions invading an unarmed country, caused oil prices to spike to $5/gal, pissed on the us constitution, spied on his own people, raided social security in the tune of $1.3 trillion, cost americans $19 tillion in lost personal wealth, etc. etc......

where did i say bush had to gather all the field agents together? all the intelligence agencies have white house liasions. all he had to do was order fbi & cia to investigate the "bin laden determined to strike within the us" threat and they would have shifted their focus. i mean he certainly doesn't have a problem ordering the intelligence community around, he ordered them to find non existent links between iraq and 911 the day after. and after being told non existed, he ordered them to do it again!!!!!!!

again, anyone who knew "bin laden determined to strike within the us", hijackers enrolled in flight schools and al qaeda using commerial jets as weapons would have put 2 and 2 together. even a crackhead drunk idiot would've put it together had he not been busy playing golf and taking vacations.

Good lord. I'll say it slowly for you. Everyone. Knew. Osama. Was. Determined. To. Attack... That. Memo. Had. Zero. Info. In. It.

I guess you think everyone in the CIA/FBI are crackhead drunk idiots than, because they couldn't figure it out. Maybe you should work for them, since apparently you could've sifted through all of their mountains of intel and figured this whole thing out, despite having no real leads

Again, you act like those were the only threats we had received. There were hundreds every month... you know which info is legit but they don't?

Look at your wording- terrorists in flight school. How the fukk were they supposed to know that they were terrorists?

[onetrickpony]

boys settle down and just vote ron paul '12

have a blessed day

[DwightShrute]

there would have also been millions of new home owners across the country thus creating a stable housing market and all the jobs that go with it. So many triple AAA credit backed mortgages with fully qualified home buyers would have ensured decades of prosperity if Gore was elected. And just think .. all he had to do is win his own state.

Oh wait ....... never mind.

[rsnnh12]

so what about tax breaks corporations been receiving since forever. Tell me how much the rich gained in tax cuts in the last 20 years compared to the measley 300-400 dollar check people received all over the country. I think the rich got them beat. You really think people dont want to work and make a honest living? I dont buy that. Yes there is definately people who have given up on life because of hardships but most would take a job tomorrow doing X and receive a check weekly rather than collect that welfare check.

I want to see you try and be self sufficient with absolutely nothing. Take away everything YOU own and see how self sufficient you can be. Maybe go into the woods and be a caveman. This didnt just happen overnight. Take for example, a homeless guy goes in to get a job because believe it or not he still has the ability to perform the skill that is required for the job and is adept at it, but he is wearing some shitty ass clothes, his breathe stinks, he doesnt have an address, doesn't have shoes on etc. When he walks into the building for an interview a rich man spits on him and dont even give him the time of day by calling security to escort his bum ass out the bulding

You do know there are organizations that will help the man, right? Many are even organized by those evil rich

[rsnnh12]

boys settle down and just vote ron paul '12

have a blessed day

[wikkidinsane]

You do know there are organizations that will help the man, right? Many are even organized by those evil rich

Ill take a government ran organization over a privately ran organization any day because the rich man is only doing these services to stuff his pocket even more and will only add to this never ending cycle. Get the cheapeast consultants to tell the poor uneducated guy any bullshit he wants to hear.

[rsnnh12]

Ill take a government ran organization over a privately ran organization any day because the rich man is only doing these services to stuff his pocket even more and will only add to this never ending cycle. Get the cheapeast consultants to tell the poor uneducated guy any bullshit he wants to hear.

Why do you think all rich are evil? I know there are a lot of bad/dangerous/egomaniac rich, but that goes for any demographic, rich/poor, old/young, etc.

There are plenty of genuinely generous rich people. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet being the most famous examples

[crustyme]

Good lord. I'll say it slowly for you. Everyone. Knew. Osama. Was. Determined. To. Attack... That. Memo. Had. Zero. Info. In. It.

I guess you think everyone in the CIA/FBI are crackhead drunk idiots than, because they couldn't figure it out. Maybe you should work for them, since apparently you could've sifted through all of their mountains of intel and figured this whole thing out, despite having no real leads

Again, you act like those were the only threats we had received. There were hundreds every month... you know which info is legit but they don't?

Look at your wording- terrorists in flight school. How the fukk were they supposed to know that they were terrorists?

a month after the urgent "bin laden determined to strike within the us" memo (first ever urgent warning of an impending attack).... they attack and you think it was a meanginless everyday memo?




it's no secret the fbi and cia weren't working in conjunction with each other. so all the intelligence they had weren't being shared between the agencies. it was the job of the president to bring them together so they could work in conjunction to stop this urgent threat. but he was too busy playing golf and vacationing to lead.

there was just 1 urgent presidential memo being sent to bush at the time: "bin laden determined to strike within the us"

Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to interviews and court testimony.

A senior government official yesterday acknowledged law enforcement officials were aware that fewer than a dozen people with links to bin Laden had attended U.S. flight schools. However, the official said there was no information to indicate the flight students had been planning suicide hijacking attacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

[rsnnh12]

a month after the urgent "bin laden determined to strike within the us" memo (first ever urgent warning of an impending attack).... they attack and you think it was a meanginless everyday memo?




it's no secret the fbi and cia weren't working in conjunction with each other. so all the intelligence they had weren't being shared between the agencies. it was the job of the president to bring them together so they could work in conjunction to stop this urgent threat. but he was too busy playing golf and vacationing to lead.

there was just 1 urgent presidential memo being sent to bush at the time: "bin laden determined to strike within the us"

Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to interviews and court testimony.

A senior government official yesterday acknowledged law enforcement officials were aware that fewer than a dozen people with links to bin Laden had attended U.S. flight schools. However, the official said there was no information to indicate the flight students had been planning suicide hijacking attacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Posting it again, since apparently you didn't read it. What in that memo implies an urgency? All it says is that since 97, it has been known that Osama wanted to strike in the US and that he plans WAY in advance. That's all it said!

[crustyme]

Posting it again, since apparently you didn't read it. What in that memo implies an urgency? All it says is that since 97, it has been known that Osama wanted to strike in the US and that he plans WAY in advance. That's all it said!

what part of "bin laden determined to strike within the us" doesn't sound urgent to you?



if a cop leaves you a note titled "47th gang determined to strike your house"..... and the body says "47th gang has been planning to strike since 2007 and has invaded homes in 2008 and 2010 in preparation for the attack."

so you would disregard the warning as non-important because the body of the message doesn't talk specifics about the impending attack?

[Albert Pujols]

Nobody was alive 100 years ago. Your economically challenged ass needs to learn the difference between a debt and an annual deficit/surplus.

Pavy thinks that the national debt is the cumulative CC debt of US citizens.

[Albert Pujols]

The rich should not have got tax cuts plain and simple. As for health care how would like it if someone close to you was seriously sick and denied health care because of a pre-existing health condition? Obamacare will change that. As for the wars, that's still on bush, if Obama pulls everyone out now who knows what the fukk would happen over there and everyone would blame it on Obama for pulling out early. Its a fukkin mess when you have to inherit the debt of bush

Nobody is ever denied healthcare, you idiot. Learn something you brainwashed fool.

[rsnnh12]

what part of "bin laden determined to strike within the us" doesn't sound urgent to you?



if a cop leaves you a note titled "47th gang determined to strike your house"..... and the body says "47th gang has been planning to strike since 2007 and has invaded homes in 2008 and 2010 in preparation for the attack."

so you would disregard the warning as non-important because the body of the message doesn't talk specifics about the impending attack?

Of course the warning was important. That's all it was, was a warning. They had no clue what the attack would be, if there was even one being planned. They were doing their normal procedure, the same one that has stopped countless attacks.

If the memo had said, "Osama determined to attack NYC skyscrapers using planes as weapons" and Bush had ignored it, I would agree with you. That wasn't the case. Its the equivalent to "Crips determined to deal drugs" as a cop memo and a brief history of their drug activity, then expecting the cops to stop the next deal.

[frostno98]

AL Gore would of got hanged if he had the same information Bush had and did nothing after the fact.

[rsnnh12]

AL Gore would of got hanged if he had the same information Bush had and did nothing after the fact.

What information?!?

You guys can't possibly be this stupid. Read the memo and tell me what it contained that wasn't common knowledge

[crustyme]

Of course the warning was important. That's all it was, was a warning. They had no clue what the attack would be, if there was even one being planned. They were doing their normal procedure, the same one that has stopped countless attacks.

If the memo had said, "Osama determined to attack NYC skyscrapers using planes as weapons" and Bush had ignored it, I would agree with you. That wasn't the case. Its the equivalent to "Crips determined to deal drugs" as a cop memo and a brief history of their drug activity, then expecting the cops to stop the next deal.

an urgent warning of an impending attack without when/where/how is just as important as with it.

if you received the following warning "your mom will be murdered........" you'd ignore it because it didn't say "your mom will be murdered...... at 5pm in the parking structure of macy's on 2nd & main"?