Middling is for PUSSIES!!!

[Brick Tamland]

Im convnced.... im done worrying about not havin a opinin on a game.
I keep readin how "oh im so sharp i know how much a half point is worth and this and that' but the truth is they know theyre brokeass cant afford a losing streak so they grind out 5 dollar scalps or mids.

im not sayin there is anything wrong with grindin out 5 bucks but lets be honest middlin is for nickle dimers.

[freebie]

LoL freaking 5 bucks scalp.

"Give me a #2 with a Diet Coke and super size it"
"Sir, that will be $4.99"

[slash]

Haha, what a stupid post. Way to go Brick.

[Mudcat]

Haha, what a stupid post. Way to go Brick.

What he said.

[bigboydan]

i wish i could respect your views on your post brick, but i can't. so i'll just leave it at that.

[SBR_John]

I wouldnt say it was stupid but it sure is boring.

[bigboydan]

it sure is boring.

i'll be bored if it makes me a few bucks though John.

[Illusion]

I disagree Brick, but you are entitled to your opinion.

[Fishhead]

BRICK----Apparrently you are not aware(or sharp enough) to realize what highly successful middlers/scalpers profit on a yearly basis.

[Brick Tamland]

Fishhead
im very sharp!. my exwife didnt call me needle dick for nothing

i know therere exceptions but most of the midlers are broke or scared. lets take baseball for exmple. Every time u middle a total or scalp a ml dont you know what the good and bad numers are??? Dont you know which one the bookie would buy back if he could???

the biggest pussies are the ones who dont middle in real time. they chase steam and get a great number and are too much a Sally to ride it.

im not talkin about scalpin american idol...im talking about scalpin major sports these days when most books cant give you over 3000 on a side.

if you are so good at spotting disparety then why not play like the big boys?? im asking in general.

how much more profitable would a midler be than someone who plays max $ on soft #s???

[BAUS]

I'm with Fishead on this one. No point in sweating out outcomes of games, when you can make $30 or $40 guaranteed profit with the click of a few buttons. Takes 30 seconds to get the action down, and only locks up your cash for as long as the game takes to complete.

BAUS

[imgv94]

I'll nickel and dime. Hey a free 4% is not so bad. Bank gives you less.

[Dark Horse]

Brick's confused. He meant that pussies are for 'middling'.

If you can get a real middle take it. For this 1/2 pt lines are best. If a line moves from 6.5 to 7.5 you have a real middle at 7; but if it moves from 6 to 7, the best you can get is a win and a push.

Middling is great for people with a good feel for line movements. Doesn't have to mean you lower your risk either. Instead of playing 1 unit on a game you can get 2 units down on -6.5 and get 1 unit back at +7.5.

[JoshW]

I think it certainly helps to know were real value is, but with so many fake moves in college hoops you better know what side is right and your opinion better be strong. Otherwise you need to watch all the time to make sure the move doesn't come back on you. Just betting steam doesn't always work out. I would say the wealthiest guys do everything, but their are some soon to be middlers/scalpers out there and if that is for pussies so be it.

[Mudcat]

I would say the wealthiest guys do everything.

Exactly. Gotta have all the tools. I'm not saying I'm one of the wealthiest guys but if I start thinking, "Okay this particular betting strategy can make me money but some of the kids on the playground say it's for pussies so I better not do it," then there is something wrong with me.

Just gimme the money.

[The Great One]

Can someone explain in short detail what this thread is exactly about? I don't think I'm familiar with the term "middling"

[tacomax]

Middling is where you position yourself on all fours and have one guy take you up the ass. Then you provide oral relief to another guy at the other end.

Heck, it isn't for me but a lot of guys here really seem to be into it.

[Brick Tamland]

Brick's confused. He meant that pussies are for 'middling'.

If you can get a real middle take it. For this 1/2 pt lines are best. If a line moves from 6.5 to 7.5 you have a real middle at 7; but if it moves from 6 to 7, the best you can get is a win and a push.

Middling is great for people with a good feel for line movements. Doesn't have to mean you lower your risk either. Instead of playing 1 unit on a game you can get 2 units down on -6.5 and get 1 unit back at +7.5.

if you are tossing good lines away to middle trys when the line moves in yur favor... you are probly an excelent midler with a awful record on straight up bets.

Good points here against my blanket statment but this is why people give up bettin for midlin. They give up the good #s for mids and think they suck at betting and are blackbelt midlers.

lakerfan mention college basketball and has good point about that but middlin baseball...comon now.

[natrass]

Im kind of with brick on this one.

Can be a lot of work for small (relatively) returns with quite a stressful need to cross-check stuff and hope you dont get left high and dry.

[rara51]

brick tell me if this was a dumb play on a half time line --- (this happened just the other night too) knicks up by 11 at the half. one book had the knicks at +9.5 -105 ( laying 2100 to win 2dimes) pini had the cavs -7.5 +103 (laying 2dimes to win 2060) score of second half cle 57 knicks 48 (57-48= cle winning the half by 9) bank 4 dimes ????? 2 cent vig on a 2 point middle ON A HALFTIME !!!! you do the math. you just got one thing wrong middling is for smart ass pussies!

[David]

Nice middle. What book had the +9.5?

[Brick Tamland]

rara
like natrass said...you are gona get left holding one side of the jump rope anf the other side is going to hit you in the fackin nuts for 2k. you r lucky the weak side didnt move on you or switch it on your ass.

i think u were playing the other at cris. am i right?

[rara51]

no it wasnt at cris and i dont call them in so as to give the softer line time to change on me and unless you type as fast as my 90 year old grandmother the jump rope or whatever is not going to kick me in the nuts brick, just give me props on hitting a sweet ass middle!! the point is there is ALSO money to be made on middles and my profits outway my losses(money paid on vig) by a huge margin you just have to find value in the numbers.

[Mudcat]

I don't agree that middling is for pussies but hopefully we can all agree on one thing:

Anyone who would be influenced from doing something because someone on a posting forum said it was for pussies - is a pussy.

[adriano]

I don't agree that middling is for pussies but hopefully we can all agree on one thing:

Anyone who would be influenced from doing something because someone on a posting forum said it was for pussies - is a pussy.

I agree. A Pussy.

[Brick Tamland]

no it wasnt at cris and i dont call them in so as to give the softer line time to change on me and unless you type as fast as my 90 year old grandmother the jump rope or whatever is not going to kick me in the nuts brick, just give me props on hitting a sweet ass middle!! the point is there is ALSO money to be made on middles and my profits outway my losses(money paid on vig) by a huge margin you just have to find value in the numbers.

if you havent ever got stuck with bet because u tried to middle its only a matter of time.

I don't agree that middling is for pussies but hopefully we can all agree on one thing:

Anyone who would be influenced from doing something because someone on a posting forum said it was for pussies - is a pussy.

Not trying to brain fack anyone here but you can see by the responses that if someone finds +4.5 on an nba game and the line everywhere is 2...they would try to middle it.

too me.... thats like playing a bet for the game and then when its going in your favor...blowing the advantage on a middle attemp at half time.

if we get value we shold ride it...not look for a way to move it.
its like getting a draft pick who is much better than anyone had thought. Do you trade him right there because you can get more than you spent? shit no

[slacker00]

Brick,

One thing about middling is that you can stick 100 units on both sides. Straight betting, you shouldn't bet more than 5 units (or 5%) on any single outcome to allow for reasonable variance. Sure, you can get stuck middling if the worst happens, and the line moves against you when you've got half the middle down. But, good middlers know how to allow for this, and even if the absolute worst happens and the line somehow moves 2 points against you right at the critical moment, you can still sell off the middle for a guaranteed loss of maybe 5 units.

I once took a bad middle by looking at the line once and actually grabbed a "polish middle", buying -1 and EV rather than the +1 and EV that I thought I took. I sold off the best I could, but still let it a lot of it ride, hoping the favorite didn't win by exactly one point. The favorite won by 4. Now I am much more careful. 8D

Middling, buying points, selling points, etc are all part of the toolkit. You can get it done straight handicapping, but I think the other skills can add that much more, as several have noted above.

[Mudcat]

The biggest hole in your case Brick is that you keep talking about knowing where the value/advantage is on the lines like it's the simplest thing in the world. The truth is, hardly anyone knows that. Almost everyone who thinks they do, loses in the long-term.

That's why Las Vegas has all those big buildings with the pretty lights.

I'm a professional and the great majority of games, I have no clue if the value is on the fav at -2 or the dog at +2.5. No idea at all. I admit it. I only bet very specific selected games when I know I've got an angle.

But when there is money to be made middling those other games, I'm sure not going to leave it on the table.

[RickySteve]

The biggest hole in your case Brick is that you keep talking about knowing where the value/advantage is on the lines like it's the simplest thing in the world. The truth is, hardly anyone knows that. Almost everyone who thinks they do, loses in the long-term.

That's why Las Vegas has all those big buildings with the pretty lights.

I'm a professional and the great majority of games, I have no clue if the value is on the fav at -2 or the dog at +2.5. No idea at all. I admit it. I only bet very specific selected games when I know I've got an angle.

But when there is money to be made middling those other games, I'm sure not going to leave it on the table.

Every time I go to respond to a thread, I look down and Mudcat has already written exactly what I was planning to.

Except for that Nolan Ryan lunacy. I will assume he was drinking that night.

[Mudcat]

LOL! As a matter of fact, no. I haven't had a drink for over 3 years.

I come by my lunacy honestly.

[Brick Tamland]

The biggest hole in your case Brick is that you keep talking about knowing where the value/advantage is on the lines like it's the simplest thing in the world. The truth is, hardly anyone knows that. Almost everyone who thinks they do, loses in the long-term.

That's why Las Vegas has all those big buildings with the pretty lights.

I'm a professional and the great majority of games, I have no clue if the value is on the fav at -2 or the dog at +2.5. No idea at all. I admit it. I only bet very specific selected games when I know I've got an angle.

But when there is money to be made middling those other games, I'm sure not going to leave it on the table.

i thought i gave a pretty good example of when you know what the value is and then pissing it away. if you make a bet early in the day and then u see it move and bet the other side its just dumb. i agree with everyone that midlin at half time or right before a game can be hard to see where value is.

[imgv94]

Except for that Nolan Ryan lunacy. I will assume he was drinking that night.

[marc]

straight bets and middles are not mutaully exclusive. It's true if you see value in a line, it doesn't make sense to give away positive EV by betting the other side. But how much risk are you willing to take $100, $200, $500 $1000... And once you do the max staright bet you are willing to take, if the middle is still there why not do more and middle the rest. The beuty of scalping/middling is that you bet the line you think is off, and then you hedge however much you want and keep the rest. No one ever said you have to hedge it all

[imgv94]

Lots of people talking about Pussy in this thread!!