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Will affect the Lakers favor by the refs in this series greatly.Comment -
The Refs will give tonight's game to the Lakers! No way that Stern allows the Celtics to take a 3-0 game lead!
The Celtics are a better team and might be able to beat the 9 point spread but there is no way they can overcome the Refs to win the gameComment -
ok, i'll see if the lakers can cover the spread...and the over under.
i think if they're gonna fix a game, this will be it. i bet ton of broke ass gamblers are betting parlays or stright up lakers ML toinght. if the fix is in, celtics will win straight up.
if lakers lose tonight, i'll be totally convinced the NBA is fixed.
like always, i am only betting halfs.Comment -
bet the house on the Lakers to win the game (moneyline)
If the Celtics win this game than the NBA is not fixed. But I GUARANTEE you that the Lakers win this game!Comment -
I'm not at all surprised by any of this, it's obvious that it's always gone on, in all the various shades it comes in, whether it's a ref betting on games, league officials wanting certain outcomes, etc etc. Even the subconscious shades it can come it.
The general rule with people is, any time something can be easily controlled, and money can be made from the control of it - rest assured, it's controlled.
That's why the anti-gambling folks are so annoying - the high and mighty looking down on us because of how gambling might compromise the "integrity" of the game. All gambling could do is compromise the integrity of the integrity compromising the folks in charge plan out, and everyone has always known this.
I personally don't care if the integrity of anything gets compromised, it's just annoying when the integrity compromisers act like they're better than everyone else specifically because they don't compromise their integrity. But it's the way of the world.Comment -
don't follow your logic at allOriginally posted by TeamPlayerComment -
I think the logic being that if the NBA people want to get a game 7, then they need to give this one to the Lakers, otherwise they'll have to give the Lakers 3 in a row after that.Originally posted by picoman
Which actually, is not a bad idea. Lakers down 3-0, come back to tie it up to force a Game 7....THINK OF THE RATINGS!Comment -
-500 ML is pretty much a lock. if they're going to fix the game, then they'll fix the 9 pts spread or the o/u...less noticeable.Originally posted by The HG
possible things to look out for:
if the score is close to the total, the refs give out a lot of FTs.
it'll be interesting to see what the refs will do when the lakers is leading about 7-10 with 2 minutes leftComment -
No no, not that gambling people fixed it, that NBA people fixed it. David Stern and his duplicitous minions.Originally posted by picomanComment -
haha. yeah, it is common knowledge that the league is milking this series for ratings.Originally posted by The HG
i told my buddies, g1,2,6 celtic gets the calls, g3,4,5 lakers ger the calls. game 7 will be fair.Comment -
usually goes 6 or 7 games --celtics will be favored when they win-------i been sayin all along all professional sports are rigged at least 1 game a year , even womans---CELTICS NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!1Comment -
I told you so!
I told you the NBA is fixed! I made a ton of money on Lakers moneyline.
The Celtics are a superior team with a deeper and more experienced bench and would sweep the Lakers 4-0 if it wasn't for David Stern and his referees.
Look.....if you want to believe that the NBA isn't fixed, that is your right to be ignorant. But you're losing out on wonderful investment opportunities!!! You're only hurting yourself.
I've made a lot of money betting on the Lakers and Celtics this playoff season and I knew that Stern would not allow the Lakers to go down 0-3.Comment -
to follow up:
In this particluar Celtics/Lakers series, I don't think Stern cares who wins BUT BUT he certainly wants a long series of at least 6 games or 7 games! He let the first two games play out and the Celtics established themselves as a far superior team. So guess what? Stern knew it was time to intervene in game #3 because he wants a 6 or 7 game series to add to the "celtic vs lakers lore" A 4 or 5 games series would be boring to people and hurt tv ratings.
Low and behold, the Referees took the Celtics' best player, Paul Pierce, out of the second half by calling phantom fouls on him.Comment -
Scary stuff to say the least. Then again I think gamblers pretty much knew this info the entire time, but at least it's now good to know that it's not just one of those "conspiracy theories" type things.Comment -
Still waiting on a response to this:
OK, conspiracy theorists, like I've said before, I used to be one of you. I'll give you some topics to discuss amongst yourselves as to why David Stern wanted THESE series results to happen.
2007 San Antonio defeats (Lebron's) Cleveland for title
2007 San Antonio defeats Phoenix
2006 (Mark Cuban's) Dallas defeats Phoenix to advance to finals
2005 Detroit defeats Miami to advance to finals
2005 San Antonio defeats Phoenix to advance to finals
2005 Indiana defeats Boston
2004 Detroit defeats Lakers for title
2003 New Jersey defeats Boston
2003 San Antonio defeats Lakers
2002 New Jersey defeats Boston to advance to finals
That should keep you guys busy for a while.Comment -
hey drunk ,nobody said every game was fixed
get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!Originally posted by DrunkenLullabyComment -
I have never been one to believe in ref fixing at the highest level in most pro sports, but the NBA is the one league I believed it could happen. Refs have so much more control with fouls.Comment -
your loss
drunkenlullaby,
Like I said, It's your problem if you want to believe the NBA and Stern don't fix certain games and playoff series. Because you are losing out on a lot of money.
For example, you should have made thousands and thousands of $ dollars knowing that Stern and his referees would help the Lakers win last night's game and thus ensure a longer series for the sake of higher TV ratings.
And you should have made thousands and thousands of more dollars knowing that Stern and his referees would make sure of a Lakers/Celtics finals.
But hey! if you want to believe that the NBA is honest and that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that Bush, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove and Dick Cheney never lie about Iraq, then that is your problem my friend!
I'll just keep getting rich and you keep working in a cubicle at minimum wage
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At least this proves that MLB isn't rigged - the only way this could be true was that if the commissioner was an inept clown of the highest order.
Hang on a minute...Originally posted by pags11Originally posted by BuddyBearOriginally posted by curiousComment -
so what the play for game 4?Comment -
TeamPlayer did you place huge bets on lakers ML yesterday?Comment -
that's what I want to know! Teamplayer chime in on the play for game 4... and don't wait till Friday morning!!!!!!!Originally posted by Shark79Comment -
The strangest part of this whole thing....Ralph Nader of all people called for an investigation of the Laker playoff game at the time, right after it happened. Has anyone considered this might have some validity to it.
The media and a lot of the sports media is trying to play it down. I have not heard one sportcaster / sports analyst even come close to saying this might have been possible. They are trying to spin it.Comment -
MLB is rigged also but in a much more indirect manner that is considred more tolerable. MLB also wants its big market teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, WhiteSox, Angels, Dodgers to win. How do they help those teams? The answer is by having a very very soft salary cap that is basically so soft it might as well not exist! That way, teams like the Yankees and Red Sox still are able to grossly outspend all of the other teams which gives them a totally unfair advantage! Now....some big market team's front office are so bad that they still manage to choose bad players and have a bad team but the point is that they are strategically given a big advantage by the league to start with
Regarding choosing fixed games, you must remember that not all of the games are fixed and not all of the playoff series are fixed. Remember that the point is also to make sure that most Americans don't realize fixing occurs! Just like the White House didn't just invade Iraq out of the blue. First they had to make up a story about weapons of mass destruction and how the Iraqis needed us to bring democracy so they could all live happily ever after. People like Cheney and David Stern are smart people who know how to manipulate the public. Their downfall is that they become so arrogant that they start to make mistakes.
In this case, Stern has shown his arrogance by 1.) simply portraying Donaghy as a disgrunteld employee and not talking in detail about anything 2.) trying to stick it to Donaghy by taking 1 million dollars from him in court which is like one penny for the league. The guy didn't already lose enough by losing his wife, children, friends, life - years and years in prison? And besides, he doesn't even have 1 million dollars!
By the way, isn't the "disgruntled employee" the same tactic the White House uses to smear Scott Mclellan?Comment -
i really dont like you but.....
that was funny!!!!!! Originally posted by tacomaxComment -
RAKE22,
I said "bet the house on Lakers moneyline" before game# 3 began. I'll look for the post after I write this.
regarding making money off the fixes, you have to be 100% sure about what is fixed! It's not like Stern will announce it. I didn't bet on the first two games of the series because it wasn't clear if either game would be fixed.
Ask yourself, what does David Stern want in this series? The answer is that he wants a long series of 6 or 7 games for sure! We know that because he wants TV ratings first. He wants to use this series in marketing strategies all summer and next year and beyond. (by the way, guarantee you that Lakers/Celtics are in the Finals next season)
So you wait and see when the obvious situation for a fix evolves. When the Celtics went up 2-0 and it was obvious that they are a better team all around (the Lakers bench of playoff neophyte europeans who play soft can't hold the jock strap of the veteran Celtics bench of big men), then you know FOR SURE that the Lakers need the Referees help to extend the series.
Also, Going down 0-3 would be a disaster for ratings and ensure a short series. Therefore, it was 100% obvious that David Stern and his referees would make sure the Lakers won game #3. And they did! They put Paul Pierce in foul trouble the entire 2nd half and called many more fouls on the Celtics which were mostly phantom calls. Just go back and look at the video! Lakers had almost 2x the number of free throws.
Now regarding game#4, understand that we know 2 things about this series for sure:
1.) it will go 6 or 7 games because that what Stern wants. Maybe it's 7 but only he and his referees know for sure
2.) The Celtics are the better team by far. They will win the series unless Stern want the Lakers to win but there is no indication that he wants them to win. So the Celtics will win in 6 or 7 games.
Knowing that the Celtics will win the series in 6 or 7 games, the Lakers must win at least 2 of the 3 games in LA. Maybe stern will have them win all 3 but again, you have to be sure. We can only be sure the Lakers will win 2 of the 3. (by the way, if none of the games were fixed, the Celtics would sweep the Lakers)
So game# 4 is not something you can bet the house on. If the Celtics win game#4, then you bet the house on the Lakers winning game#5! Because no way that Stern allow the Celtics to win the series 4-1! But there is more probability that Stern wants the Lakers to win game#4 and tie up the series. Bottom line is that game#4 is not totally clear. I'd say 70% chance that Stern wants the Lakers to win game#4 as a series of 2-2 is more marketable than 3-1, but it's not 100% so just stay away and wait another day for the next SURE THING when you can be 100% sure that the FIX is on! With David Stern at the helm, there will ALWAYS be another sure fix on the horizon.Comment -
Here it is
Originally posted by TeamPlayer
Here it is. I posted that the Lakers would win Before the game started. It was a slam dunk that it would be fixed. Later, When I saw Paul Pierce taken out of the game on phantom fouls by Joey Crawford, I knew I'd made good money.
referee joey crawford is one of David Stern's cronies. He helped make sure that the Spurs lost the series to the Lakers and made sure the Celtics lost last night.
Stern needs to imrove hs ability to trick the american people because he's getting more obvious with time. It was pathetic when he assigned Joey Crawford to an important Lakers/Spurs playoff game considering that Crawford had previously challenged Tim Duncan to a fight and thrown him out of a game for "laughing"Comment -
lol Celtics could have won game #3 and be up 3-0. then the lakers wins the next 2 or 3 games.Originally posted by TeamPlayer
there was absolutely no guarantee that the lakers would win game #3, even if you say so.Comment -
you guys really believe a convicted felon?
remember, donaghy was convicted for gambling on games he bet on and handing out inside info on how a game he rigged would be reffed.
and now all of a sudden the guy knows from top to bottom about a grand conspiracy and you guys are buying this? i really didnt know some of you were that gullible.
donaghy won't even mention names, he just says officials, league execs, and other refs. there is no proof of a fix. sure, you have some questionable calls, what sport doesn't.
if i tell you i have a magic elixir that will make you get all the women in the world without any proof that the elixir works, according to a majority of you on the forum you'd buy it in droves because i said it works, even though there's no proof saying it works.
you're chasing ghosts.Comment -
YES because.......
This is an excerpt from an article written yesterday by Espn.com's Jemele Hill:
"Why would I be worried?" Stern said when he met with the media before Game 3.
Where to begin? Even though the NBA admitted its referees should've called Derek Fisher for a foul on Brent Barry at the end of Game 4 of this year's Lakers-Spurs series, the fact that referees didn't feel the need to make an obvious foul call is problematic.
There are far too many instances when dubious officiating isn't addressed.
Donaghy wasn't specific which 2002 playoff series was altered, saying only that it was a seven-game series. But the only seven-game series that year was Lakers-Kings, and no game in the playoffs aroused more accusations that the fix was in than Game 6, when the Lakers visited the foul line an astounding 27 times in the fourth quarter to force a Game 7. LA went on to win the NBA championship -- a memory that should effectively shut up any Lakers fans who are still upset about the officiating in Game 2 this year against the Celtics.
Those one-sided trends are seen too often, and all they do is fuel speculation. Don't think that Mark Cuban's mind isn't reeling right now. Miami was the tougher team in '06 when the Heat won the title, but in light of Donaghy's charges, how much different does that series look now?
Jerry Stackhouse was suspended for a pivotal Game 5 because of a tough foul on Shaq, who weighs as much as a small aircraft carrier. And in that Game 5, Dwyane Wade got calls that made Michael Jordan jealous. Wade went to the foul line 25 times. Dallas, as a team, went 24 times. You also can't help but wonder how much Cuban and Stern's terse relationship influenced that series.
It's true that Donaghy, who faces a maximum 25-year sentence, is hoping to barter information for reduced prison time, but that doesn't mean his accusations should be taken so lightly.
Of course, for all we know, Donaghy's claims could be baseless and motivated purely by vengeance against Stern. But if there is anything we've deduced from other sports scandals, it's that the dirtiest people often are the most believable and the only ones willing to tell the truth. That's why I believe Brian McNamee, former O.J. Mayo middleman Louis Johnson and former convict Lloyd Lake, who said he supplied Reggie Bush with thousands of dollars in cash when Bush was at USC. If you have a pristine reputation, you might say anything to keep it that way, including lying about what you have and haven't done.
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Actually The HG summed it up perfectly here. This alone answers any questions anyone might have.Originally posted by The HGComment -
Best solution is to have the Refs governed by an independent body that is totally out of David Stern's control. Pat Riley and Phil Jackson are correct about this.
It's funny how the mainstream media says that Stern should ask for an independent investigation when he himself is at the root of the problem!
What will happen in the coming year is that Stern will pretend to do his own fake investigation because he's arrogant and believes the American public is dumb as a door knob.
You can bet he's shredding documents as we speakComment -
TeamPlayer, good analysis. If what you said is true about Stern, which I believe so, it's really a shame. But I also believe that 8 out of 10 executive in huge company are doing similar things to manipulate in order to earn greater profits. It doesn't mean that manipulation is the correct thing to do, but it's just common sense that it will happen when profit on the table.Comment
