Chris Young (Mets Pitcher)

obamaismyuncle · 05-01-11, 07:39 PM

sounds like a description of Nick Blackburn of the Twins as well

No coincidences · 05-01-11, 07:42 PM

He knows how to pitch, and has more movement than you can see on TV.

Albert Pujols · 05-01-11, 07:45 PM

Funky delivery and hides the ball well. Remember when Pujols knocked his face off?

doublej95 · 05-01-11, 07:47 PM

Greg Maddux threw 85 mph and was one of the greatest ever. movement of the ball is a greater asset then speed.

drfunkmaster · 05-01-11, 07:48 PM

dskibin2 · 05-01-11, 07:50 PM

Certainly looks hittable tonight, I expect the phils to put a few on the board before young comes out

rm18 · 05-01-11, 07:50 PM

he is 6-10, something about throwing from that angle makes you much more effective. 4 years ago he was only throwing about 88-89 and his home ERA was under 1 at Petco.

Young gives up too many walks and can't control the running game but batting average against him as always been very low. He has only given up 10 hits in 21 innings so far.

rm18 · 05-01-11, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by doublej95

Greg Maddux threw 85 mph and was one of the greatest ever. movement of the ball is a greater asset then speed.

Maddux threw about 90 in his prime though, Young maybe a better 85mph than Maddux was because of his size

biggie12 · 05-01-11, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by iifold

Guy throws 85 mph..

Throws straight over the top with little to no movement..

Walks guys at times...

Doesn't belong in league anymore...

I will be looking to fade Mets in near future with this guy on the mound..

hope your right, he is throwing a no hitter right now

iifold · 05-01-11, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by rm18

he is 6-10, something about throwing from that angle makes you much more effective. 4 years ago he was only throwing about 88-89 and his home ERA was under 1 at Petco.

Young gives up too many walks and can't control the running game but batting average against him as always been very low. He has only given up 10 hits in 21 innings so far.

The Phillies will make him look respectable tonight.. just like they did in his first start of the year...

his other two starts were against the Nats...

The VERY under rated Jon Garland and the Dodgers will pound this guy next week...

Projected Line:

Dodgers (Garland) -125
Mets (Young) +115

DemoralizdDreamr · 05-01-11, 08:00 PM

A double to the number 8 hitter and nearly an Extra Base Hit to the pitcher. All i've seen from him so far is fastball and a changeup.... i cant tell the difference.

iifold · 05-01-11, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by rm18

Maddux threw about 90 in his prime though, Young maybe a better 85mph than Maddux was because of his size

Maddux got 6 inches off both sides of the plate...

Maddux ball would move 6 inches..

Maddux threw 3/4 and "short armed" ball...

Maddux would walk one guy a month, this guy walks a guy by the 4th inning...

can't compare maddux to this big clumsy goof...

kernssca · 05-01-11, 08:06 PM

just hope he gives up runs to get it over 7

No coincidences · 05-01-11, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by iifold

Maddux got 6 inches off both sides of the plate...

Maddux ball would move 6 inches..

Maddux threw 3/4 and "short armed" ball...

Maddux would walk one guy a month, this guy walks a guy by the 4th inning...

can't compare maddux to this big clumsy goof...

While I agree that Maddux is a poor comparison, the poster who brought up the guy's arm angle at 6-10 or 6-11 or whatever has a point.

HoulihansTX · 05-01-11, 08:13 PM

Phillies offense is overrated.

iifold · 05-01-11, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Phillies offense is overrated.

Very True...

Mets offense way more dangerous right now..

Rollins' age is starting to catch up to him...

Howard is one dimensional, helped by park.. (can you imagine if he had to hit at citifiield)

Utley was most likely major "juicer"..

Ibanez was the biggest Juicer, pretty much done..

These young fukks they are bringing up have long loopy swings..

Polanco is a stud, can't knock that guy...

yisman · 05-01-11, 08:32 PM

They're talking about it right now.

Why don't hitters do more against Chris Young?

Fallacy. The guy is not a gas can. He's solid. Not a great pitcher but he's a decent #3.

rm18 · 05-01-11, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by iifold

The Phillies will make him look respectable tonight.. just like they did in his first start of the year...

his other two starts were against the Nats...

The VERY under rated Jon Garland and the Dodgers will pound this guy next week...

Projected Line:

Dodgers (Garland) -125
Mets (Young) +115

I project:

Dodgers-103
Mets -107

Cliff Lee would of barely been -125 on the road don't see how Garland is that high.

iifold · 05-01-11, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by yisman

They're talking about it right now.

Why don't hitters do more against Chris Young?

Fallacy. The guy is not a gas can.

Teams will make adjustments..

They will figure him out...

You can't throw over the top, 85 mph and last in MLB..

I will be there when they figure him out starting next week with Dodgers..

yisman · 05-01-11, 08:39 PM

I think rm's line is closer to where it'll be.

iifold · 05-01-11, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by rm18

I project:

Dodgers-103
Mets -107

Cliff Lee would of barely been -125 on the road don't see how Garland is that high.

Yeah, you are probably right..

Game in NY, helps Young..
He is doing well tonight..

I still think Dodgers will be slight favorite,.. we will see..

No coincidences · 05-01-11, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by iifold

Teams will make adjustments..

They will figure him out...

You can't throw over the top, 85 mph and last in MLB..

I will be there when they figure him out starting next week with Dodgers..

The guy's been in the league 8 years and made 139 career starts -- how much film do they need to "make adjustments"?

iifold · 05-01-11, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

The guy's been in the league 8 years and made 139 career starts -- how much film do they need to "make adjustments"?

Go watch some lines move Pal...

There was a time this guy had drugs flowing through his body, throwing 98 mph and was near untouchable..

Now he is a washed up bum hoping to stay with a team long enough to make some paychecks...

Go ahead and take the Mets next week against the Dodgers.. we can bump this thread and see who the smart one is..

No coincidences · 05-01-11, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by iifold

Go watch some lines move Pal...

There was a time this guy had drugs flowing through his body, throwing 98 mph and was near untouchable..

Now he is a washed up bum hoping to stay with a team long enough to make some paychecks...

Go ahead and take the Mets next week against the Dodgers.. we can bump this thread and see who the smart one is..

When was that? He's always been a soft-tosser from what I can remember.

He's a "washed up bum" who's embarrassing you in this thread with each passing inning. The guy knows how to pitch. Period.

No coincidences · 05-01-11, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by iifold

There was a time this guy had drugs flowing through his body, throwing 98 mph and was near untouchable..

Chris Young fastball MPH by year:

The Not-So-FastBall
91.2 mph 2004
89.9 mph 2005
89.0 mph 2006
88.7 mph 2007
87.2 mph 2008
85.8 mph 2009
84.7 mph 2010

Any other tall tales you feel like telling?

8ArIvd5 · 05-01-11, 09:10 PM

looks like he has good pitch placement. extremely efficient tonight.

Whippit · 05-01-11, 09:12 PM

never lay juice with this guy

iifold · 05-01-11, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Chris Young fastball MPH by year:

The Not-So-FastBall
91.2 mph 2004
89.9 mph 2005
89.0 mph 2006
88.7 mph 2007
87.2 mph 2008
85.8 mph 2009
84.7 mph 2010

Any other tall tales you feel like telling?

I don't know why you are so upset?

This guy was throwing very hard at one time when he was on the juice, just because he is striking out Old-Man Ibanez without his steroids doesn't mean he is a good pitcher..

Guy is not a good pitcher, this is all I'm saying...

biggerleaffan · 05-01-11, 09:14 PM

he may walk a lot but phillies have scored how many runs through 7 innings?

t-bone · 05-01-11, 09:16 PM

this game is painful to watch

yisman · 05-01-11, 09:17 PM

Chris Young never threw very hard.

When he was good with the Padres he wasn't getting by by blowing people away. That was never his game.

No coincidences · 05-01-11, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by iifold

I don't know why you are so upset?

This guy was throwing very hard at one time when he was on the juice, just because he is striking out Old-Man Ibanez without his steroids doesn't mean he is a good pitcher..

Guy is not a good pitcher, this is all I'm saying...

I'm not upset -- you said he threw 98 and you're still saying he threw very hard at one time. Fact is, he topped out as a guy barely cracking 90 in his prime.

You don't have to throw 100 to be a good pitcher. Read this:

http://blog.stats.com/2007/08/whiff_profile_chris_young.html

There will be games where he gets hit hard and even lit up, but tonight obviously isn't one of them. To say he's "not a good pitcher" is a stretch, given his .595 career win percentage, his .213 BAA career, and a sub-4 ERA.

onetrickpony · 05-01-11, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Chris Young fastball MPH by year: The Not-So-FastBall 91.2 mph 2004 89.9 mph 2005 89.0 mph 2006 88.7 mph 2007 87.2 mph 2008 85.8 mph 2009 84.7 mph 2010 Any other tall tales you feel like telling?

buried

No coincidences · 05-01-11, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by iifold

Doesn't belong in league anymore...