Poker players - ALL IN PREFLOP?

[TheBeautifulGame]

Good or bad idea? In my opinion, it's a bad idea no matter what the hand. The flop can mess you up in mysterious ways.

What you guys think?

[nyed1010]

. If your getting 3 or 4 bet, or getting shoved all in and you have kings or aces, it's snap/fist pump call or raise all in. This is for cash games. It's albeit different for tourneys where you may lay down kings or queens early and you just don't want to take the chance that the other guy has aces.

[Cuse0323]

Bad idea no matter what? Not quite, depends on the situation.

[yisman]

Usually a bad idea, but it can be the right play in certain situations.

[TheBeautifulGame]

Usually a bad idea, but it can be the right play in certain situations.

Thats true, I should have should have stated that. It's just when I see so many people getting a pocket pair, going automatically all in, I think they are a bunch a tools.

[k13]

Its the only way in games where they don't respect your raises. lol

That is if you want 6 people to the flop with you when you have AA/KK after you made a 5x raise

[stikymess]

Usually a bad idea, but it can be the right play in certain situations.

As a novice poker player, say you have K's or A's why would you not push all in, why keep people around? I get the slow play to get as much out of them as you can, but it can backfire.

[peiferbro1]

It can also depend what the entry fee is. If the buy-in is real cheap and you don't mind taking a risk and getting knocked out of a tourney early, it can be a way to double up quick and sit on a big stack till you make it past the bubble.

[mighty maron]

Cash, sng, or MTT. Its situational

[yisman]

As a novice poker player, say you have K's or A's why would you not push all in, why keep people around? I get the slow play to get as much out of them as you can, but it can backfire.

because you're getting very little out of it.

If you push all in pre-flop, no one is calling unless they have a great hand as well (or unless they don't know how to play poker).

Say it's 25/50.

So the pot is 75, and one person calls before you. Now you push all in, and no one calls. You win 125 out of AA instead of having a great chance at winning a lot more. It's very -EV to push all in in that situation.

Speaking for myself, I will almost never call a preflop all in (assuming the person has a real stack they're pushing) unless the person pushing is a known donk. SBR Poker features people who haven't a clue and constantly go all in, so I occasionally will call those.

[stikymess]

because you're getting very little out of it. If you push all in pre-flop, no one is calling unless they have a great hand as well (or unless they don't know how to play poker). Say it's 25/50. So the pot is 75, and one person calls before you. Now you push all in, and no one calls. You win 125 out of AA instead of having a great chance at winning a lot more. It's very -EV to push all in in that situation. Speaking for myself, I will almost never call a preflop all in (assuming the person has a real stack they're pushing) unless the person pushing is a known donk. SBR Poker features people who haven't a clue and constantly go all in, so I occasionally will call those.

Got it, makes tons more sense. Thanks Yisman.

[BatemanPatrickl]

Depends on your position, chip count, blinds...

[Fieldysnuts44]

I agree with Bateman,in tourny definitely depends on chip stack,blinds and if anty are involved.Its not always the wrong play.

[zam77]

with sbr poker, for me it depends primarily on my mood... throw some real coin into the equation, now that's a different story.

i think sbr has about 20 or so poker players who demonstrate patience/play similar to the way they would at a cash game... everyone else flies by the seat of their pants because they either suk or just don't give a fuk. Going all in in these SBR tourneys happens almost every other hand for the first 2 to 3 sets of blinds.

[downsouth]

Thats true, I should have should have stated that. It's just when I see so many people getting a pocket pair, going automatically all in, I think they are a bunch a tools.

Thats a tool like statement. If mixed in properly it is a very effective method.

I get it you hate when people go all in before the flop because it does not allow you to draw at your marginal hand.

In SNG tourneys it becomes almost only move after first 30 mins.

[Tilt360]

it depend how many in and what position you in.

[OmgUrMom]

the key to poker is to raise or bet all but 1 chip, if your re-raised use your entire time bank down to 1 second and then fold

[wiffle]

bunch of ghoti in this thread

[BGboothA]

Very situational. There is definitely a time and place far it.

[BatemanPatrickl]

Thats a tool like statement. If mixed in properly it is a very effective method. I get it you hate when people go all in before the flop because it does not allow you to draw at your marginal hand. In SNG tourneys it becomes almost only move after first 30 mins.

[RANDAZZO]

It all depends on the situation.

[daneblazer]

yes, shove every hand

[BeerDog99]

Thats too predictable, I say every second hand, open shove.

[ramones951]

Very situational... Depends on your table position, who you are playing against, etc... it can range from being an excellent play to a very marginal play that can go horribly wrong... that's what distinguishes a good no-limit player from a bad one. Some know when to push it all in, some don't.

[illfuuptn]

Game flow specific

[CanuckG]

If an old guy 4/5-bets you...he has aces.

[LLXC]

If you have the better hand, get it in there.

[ramones951]

If an old guy 4/5-bets you...he has aces.

Too true....

[Gruntworker]

The short answer is it depends. But if your M calls for it, a shove in the right position is standard pre. Really depends based on stack sizes, how many BBs you have left, etc..

Obv, for SBR Poker... it's going to be more often that people are willing to flip for it since it's for points/freeroll anyway.

[snehalgarg]

It's an excellent idea in case if our opponents are capricious & stupid or if we are dangerously low on chips & don't know if we'll ever see a hand that looks good ever again & only want a heads-up draw. There are lots of uses but we may be called as adonk for it. Thanks !

[necro]

unless you have pocket aa, you better fold out

but even with aa you can lose

[4uk4life]

Low stacked or if I think someone may call anyway

[revnecro1273]

depends on situation...short stacked, yes why not...but outside of it, good idea in holdem...bad idea omaha

[MadTiger]

Cash, sng, or MTT. Its situational

This.

"It depends."

[aceking]

no way you win a tourney without doubling and quadruple up .