Pro Gamblers

Mattn3236 · 05-09-08, 07:53 PM

Rule #1. Have at least $100k put aside to be considered a real PRO

Deuce · 05-09-08, 07:54 PM

Hi guys.

WileOut · 05-09-08, 07:59 PM

Duece can you show me the way? I know you have to be a pro.

pico · 05-09-08, 08:15 PM

this is a stupid thread.

Cannon · 05-09-08, 08:20 PM

Pro gamblers don't post on these BS gambling sites.

Kellen · 05-09-08, 08:22 PM

Im not a pro and nor would I become one. Im comfortable with my work now. I make plenty of money and it will only increase.

WileOut · 05-09-08, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by picoman

this is a stupid thread.

pico I thought it had about a 30% chance to lead to an interesting discussion. Sorry I'll keep trying.

The HG · 05-09-08, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

pico I thought it had about a 30% chance to lead to an interesting discussion. Sorry I'll keep trying.

The problem is that real pros are reluctant to talk about it anywhere, to anyone. Not that they're paranoid, but their mindset is always on default to talk about things as little as possible, no need to stir up anything for no reason.

There are clearly pros who post here, and with some of them it's not hard to tell that they are.

But bragging is antithetical to gambling success, so anyone who is successful at it is naturally going to shy away from talking about it just to shoot the breeze.

WileOut · 05-09-08, 10:06 PM

HG you are a smart man you always have the common sense answer.

I think I can tell who a couple of the pros here are

Justin7 · 05-09-08, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Mattn3236

Rule #1. Have at least $100k put aside to be considered a real PRO

You can get by with 50k if you hit props and smaller sports.

SportNut · 05-09-08, 11:06 PM

I just love to gamble

treece · 05-09-08, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Mattn3236

Rule #1. Have at least $100k put aside to be considered a real PRO

big misconception.

dodif · 05-09-08, 11:50 PM

dodif is the best

chipski · 05-10-08, 01:08 AM

for the love of making it happen !

Originally posted by The HG

The problem is that real pros are reluctant to talk about it anywhere, to anyone. Not that they're paranoid, but their mindset is always on default to talk about things as little as possible, no need to stir up anything for no reason.

There are clearly pros who post here, and with some of them it's not hard to tell that they are.

But bragging is antithetical to gambling success, so anyone who is successful at it is naturally going to shy away from talking about it just to shoot the breeze.

I basically look at it as just passing some things on I have learned . There is a risk factor and a psychological toil doing this that one to has learn to master . Going through life always being affected by the outcome of sports games ... If someone has plenty of money to risk and is willing to stick with it , then there is nothing wrong with someone sharing what they have learned to try and help someone do okay or learn how it all works .
Yes , most pro gamblers may not be on a sports forum but it could be akin to that low % of people who give alot of $ to charity too . The philanthrophy seed within people is not as small as we might think . so why not share on a forum ? Whether it be about sewing , horseback riding or betting on sports ?

Is all the same if you love it !

Nicky Santoro · 05-10-08, 01:19 AM

the best post by far is the 5th post of this thread, by pico...

that's all i have to say.

pico · 05-10-08, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by dodif

dodif is the best

we know you are. no argument there.

chipski · 05-10-08, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

the best post by far is the 5th post of this thread, by pico...

that's all i have to say.

you are a pro on wed and a sack of shit on friday .

pros baby pros . ty for the great feedback whoever you are . hurry up we need more inspiring words .
you hit up that one big day then you can talk positive .

it only takes one time !

Francis Sollozzo · 05-10-08, 01:32 AM

pros live a life of feast or famine , can be lonely too , I love it tho

chipski · 05-10-08, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

the best post by far is the 5th post of this thread, by pico...

that's all i have to say.

why are you really here ? you posted right after I did . what is your agenda ?

Nicky Santoro · 05-10-08, 01:47 AM

chippy, i read your last 2 posts and i don't understand what you are saying, sorry. what are you saying to me? are you pissed at me or something? i swear, i read your last 2 posts, 6 times and i still don't understand them..

Stacocakes · 05-10-08, 01:49 AM

Difference between a professional and an amateur gambler is the psychological aspect of gambling.A professional can USUALLY take a loss and go on and forget about it but an amateur will dwell on a loss and it eats them up to the point that it snowballs into a bigger loss and then its all bad from there
I admit that even I am still trying to get the mental aspect of this business down.Its very hard to accept a loss especially if its big

chipski · 05-10-08, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santauro

chippy, i read your last 2 posts and i don't understand what you are saying, sorry. what are you saying to me? are you pissed at me or something? i swear, i read your last 2 posts, 6 times and i still don't understand them..

lol , you know i loves ya man .

we need to have that 1 big day ! make it happen !
Ski

chipski · 05-10-08, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Stacocakes

Difference between a professional and an amateur gambler is the psychological aspect of gambling.A professional can USUALLY take a loss and go on and forget about it but an amateur will dwell on a loss and it eats them up to the point that it snowballs into a bigger loss and then its all bad from there
I admit that even I am still trying to get the mental aspect of this business down.Its very hard to accept a loss especially if its big

ooh yes ! bein able to come right back is hit or miss , and can get worse if you dont hit tryin to come right back . i remember one sunday i missed a big football wager , i came right back and got it back by doing a powerhouse nba team at home and the over on a 2 teamer and it erased the big single wager loss . prob is , if it misses then .... like u said everything can snowdive .

Hellerud · 05-10-08, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by The HG

The problem is that real pros are reluctant to talk about it anywhere, to anyone. Not that they're paranoid, but their mindset is always on default to talk about things as little as possible, no need to stir up anything for no reason.

There are clearly pros who post here, and with some of them it's not hard to tell that they are.

But bragging is antithetical to gambling success, so anyone who is successful at it is naturally going to shy away from talking about it just to shoot the breeze.

he summed it up pretty well...

Hellerud · 05-10-08, 04:06 AM

Money management money managment, i cant stress this enough... I see to many ppl Chase these days and that is no good... you are not going to get rich quick.. unless u plan on betting on 1 game and getting lucky for a 100K or some bs like that

but yeah just have smart money management... take your time and learn... exp. is key.... the goal is to LOSE AS LESS AS POSSIBLE.. not to win as much as possible.. just remember that..

-Hellerud

jjgold · 05-10-08, 09:58 AM

I still call myself a pro but really went bad so now just basically betting for fun and working odd jobs. I might go pro again football season if some money comes my way.

capitalist pig · 05-10-08, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by WileOut

To the non-pro gamblers....would you like to be a pro gambler if you could? Or are you content with your current job instead?

Its not that I love my occupation so much, but that comes with the territory of having the same occupation for 20 + years.

No interest in pro gambling, besides im not good enough nor have the interest. There is a real world out there, that requires a house, health insurance, retirement funds, kids thru college, etc.

I think a better question would have been, who has gambled as a pro for 20 + years and has a paid off house,paying for their kids in college, a retirement plan, and health insurance for their family? Life is real, and all these things are going to need to be answered in pretty much everyones life at some point. JMO.

later

BuddyBear · 05-10-08, 12:18 PM

Sure some can do it and some do do it but it's a dead end lifestyle to be a pro gambler. You contribute next to nothing to society and it does not take much to go broke.

I can't imagine being a 47 year old man, betting on games for a living, living in an apt/condo, being single, no health insurance, no retirement fund, and depending on a basketball player to make his FT's as to whether I have a great month, a good month or a bad month. Better ways to survive.....

I'd say somewhere around .02 to .05% of all people who gamble on sports do it in a professional context. I can think of maybe 4 or 5 on here.

dodif · 05-10-08, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

Sure some can do it and some do do it but it's a dead end lifestyle to be a pro gambler. You contribute next to nothing to society and it does not take much to go broke.

I can't imagine being a 47 year old man, betting on games for a living, living in an apt/condo, being single, no health insurance, no retirement fund, and depending on a basketball player to make his FT's as to whether I have a great month, a good month or a bad month. Better ways to survive.....

I'd say somewhere around .02 to .05% of all people who gamble on sports do it in a professional context. I can think of maybe 4 or 5 on here.

I'm 30, not single, have a big house here and in cali, have an etrade account and a smith barney account for retirement and my health insurance is $134 a month though anthem blue cross.

turnip · 05-10-08, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by BuddyBear

Sure some can do it and some do do it but it's a dead end lifestyle to be a pro gambler. You contribute next to nothing to society and it does not take much to go broke.

Paying taxes and bringing in money earned from overseas certainly "contributes" to the society. Going broke is a possibility, but the same applies to entrepreneurs

I can't imagine being a 47 year old man, betting on games for a living, living in an apt/condo,

Why not a house?

being single

Why single?

no health insurance

Why not buy health insurance?

no retirement fund

Why not?

Everything you're worried about here applies to small business owners as well. While not relying on free throws, there are still good and bad months.

BuddyBear · 05-10-08, 01:09 PM

You guys are assuming the same risks are equal with every other profession that requires risk. Guess what, they aren't. All professions have risk but that risk is unevenly distributed. Being a teacher is risky b/c there is always the possibility that a student could shoot you....being a professional gambler is risky b/c you could go broke very easily. Which risk do you think is more realistic?

Anyway, if it was so easy and risk was evenly distributed, why are there so few professional gamblers? I'd be willing to bet there are more sportsbooks + bookies than there are professional sports gamblers out there. I'd even be willing to bet there are more touts than professional sports gamblers.

It's not even worth it. When you are 70 or 80 and look back at your life and what you've done, do you really want to say that I spent 30-40 years of that life betting on sports everday? Waste of a life IMO.

Best thing to do is to treat it as a hobby/potential side income if you are confident that you are good at it and can make some money. Only people who I respect as serious/professional sports gamblers are those who use statistical modeling/quantitive considerations to arrive at their picks. Everyone else is just a degenerate wasting time.

durito · 05-10-08, 01:19 PM

How does a professional contribute less to society than any other self employed financial professional (or employed by a business)?

bbyhill · 05-10-08, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by durito

How does a professional contribute less to society than any other self employed financial professional (or employed by a business)?

They don't contribute any less.Would like to be a pro only play for fun and mainly SCAL horses.

raiders72002 · 05-10-08, 01:27 PM

BB - I agree with about 50% of what you say but disagree with the other 50%.

I'm sure a lot of guys that gamble professionally have thought about what they bring to society. But if you are able to raise and support a family properly through gambling then I think that you have succeeded in life.

All businesses are risk/reward. I owned a restaurant for a long time and most don't make it 2 years.

Using math to beat the game is only one way to beat the system. Guys at Pinny are a hell of a lot smarter mathematically then almost all gamblers.

Line movement is a huge key. If you know which way that a line will move you'll make a killing. You'd be surprised at how LVSC use to make their lines for the books without using math.

There are many ways to beat the game, even slots.