Internet cafe rules: fair or foul?

[Justin7]

I see this complaint at least once a week.

"I was betting in an internet cafe. The book closed my account for using a shared IP!"

The book's rules clearly state no duplicate IPs.

What do you do with this kind of complaint?

[compaqDikk]

credit wagering.com doesn't give a flying fukk if you use 10 ips. transfer over to them i guess

[rake922]

It's a catch 22... what if you place wagers at libraries.. multiple libraries

[katstale]

It's on the first page of Bonus Whore 101 textbook. That being said, it is a legitimate answer/response to a book's complaint abt same IP's.

If the whore errrr I mean player can supply the book with appropriate identification documents and agree not to play at the "cafe/library/work/McDonald's/etc" the book has no legitimate reason not to pay what's owed. They can not prove otherwise.

If they then don't want his further action--so be it.

[DrunkenLullaby]

I see this complaint at least once a week.

"I was betting in an internet cafe. The book closed my account for using a shared IP!"

The book's rules clearly state no duplicate IPs.

What do you do with this kind of complaint?

I'd say under any circumstances the book should pay & then kick the player out. Or, if they want to give the player a chance to keep playing, that player is restricted to using ONLY an IP that can be traced to their address on file.

[durito]

I played from 100's of IP's last year when I was traveling, without issue -- though that was only A+ books.

What about someone that travels for work all the time? Are they only allowed to bet from home?

[DrunkenLullaby]

Durito has a good point.

[bigboydan]

How many players here have placed a wager with their Iphones and haven't had their funds confiscated ever. Needless to say It's a double standard to say the least and it's not fair IMO.

I can't remember off the top of my head all the details. However I remember something about an entire city using the same IP address, and a book claimed foul in which the players funds were confiscated.

[Scorpion]

What if you go to a restuarant and they have wi-fi?? Like Baja Mexican gril

Many places have it, especially in shopping malls

[JoshW]

My honest first gut reaction is that it is likely a lie. That they know the person whos IP matches and it has nothing to do with an internet cafe. That said, I have to keep an open mind as it is possible. AOL and other services use the same IPs and I have to believe that sometimes this gets people in trouble, especially if they are scalpers or betting steam. Bets come in at the same time on the same play, and books freak out for good reason. But is it multiple accounts from the same group of players or more likely players chasing numbers at the same time.

[fiveteamer]

In this type of situation, do you at least get your deposit money back? Seems to be no reason for them keeping it.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Related to this topic, I've always found it extremely ironic that books offer referral bonuses and beg you to "let your friends know about us"......just make sure you and your friend don't frequently bet the same thing or ever use the same computer!

Am I the only one?

[Ekotensa]

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I had an issue with a Book once regarding two accounts. My roommate and I used the same ISP and registered with the same Book. Contacted them and explained the situation and never had any future problems.


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[tomcowley]

The books have an interest in preventing blatant bonus/limit abuse, but it's so easy to duplicate an IP innocently that I don't think it should ever be grounds for confiscation of more than a bonus, and even that's iffy. Anybody on dialup, Iphone, cellular broadband(?), or any form of public access is pretty much guaranteed to get screwed eventually. When I'm in Vegas for WSOP, am I really supposed to expect that nobody else in my hotel has ever bet sports online? That's just silly.

[Immortality]

I think the books throw this rule in there to protect themselves from bonus whores. And the slimy books use it to their advantage to steal players funds.

I had some issues with 5Dimes yesterday due to supposed fraud from the IP I was on which was my work address. Because of this I am not allowed to deposit while I am at work on this IP. I have been with them for awhile and they knew I was not apart of any fraud. They quickly re-activated my deposit methods and kindly asked me not to try to deposit while I am at work.

Anyways It seems ludicrous for a book to limit you to one IP. If I am at a friends house and I want to make a bet, I do. I use my PDA cell phone to make wagers all the time. I also make wagers at work. Between my BetJamaica and 5Dimes accounts I have been probably made wagers at 10 different IP's in the last few weeks.

Stealing someones money for multiple IP's is just another reason to stay with the trusted books.

[pico]

i use internet cafe all the time with my top 3 books. never had a problem. one time cs send me an email asking about the changing IP...but that was it....no problem since then.

[ChuteBoxe]

Justin, I never use Inernet Cafe's, but I'm curious to know if a user were to contact the book first, and explain up front that they use wifi at various different places, which is why their IP is constantly different, how the book usually reacts? Were there still problems reported even after such action to prevent there being a problem?

[Dark Horse]

Justin, since you get this a lot, could we have a list of those books, so they can be avoided during travel?

A simple solution is to bet on exchanges, like Matchbook, Betfair, and Tradesports, if you're on holiday and have to use a shared computer.

[durito]

My biggest problem with rules like this is that books only enforce them to kick out winners.

The whole IP address rules are incredible vague.

[bigboydan]

My biggest problem with rules like this is that books only enforce them to kick out winners.

The whole IP address rules are incredible vague.

I agree with both items you speak of above Durito. Maybe if the books clarify the rule in greater detail in there T&C page, then maybe we could get a better grasp of this gray area. Then proceed and play accordingly. The problem is that they will never clarify it, because it benefits them greatly.

[Thremp]

I think Durito presents his arguments very well and is incredibly on point in this.

[durito]

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[DrunkenLullaby]

Even some Americans who bet only from home can run into this problem...and more will in coming years.

For instance my Verizon wireless modem has about 90% of the speed of my Cox home modem now. I have seriously been considering abandoning Cox & going solely with Verizon. If I do this, every time I connect or disconnect I have a different IP....and eventually someone else using Verizon will log in from an IP I already have logged in from....then what?

[moses millsap]

I've bet at a library computer before with no problems, but I only play with A books.

[20Four7]

I have a dynamic IP and my IP changes constantly. I'm sure if Willy checks on here I've probably used hundreds of IP's. I also travel and use IP's from hotels etc and I've not had an issue yet. I mostly play at B+ or better books but I also have Betruss, Bet Royal as outs. It's not been an issue YET.

The only issue I've had is Gamebookers not allowing me to bet from within the US. No other book, even if they don't allow US players, has stopped me when I"m in the states. Again this may change.

I think Justin is smart enough to figure out if a player or players are scamming. An innocent I played from a hotel internet connection shouldn't be enough to cause confiscation of money. The books should have a record and one simple mistep shouldn't cause problems, a repeated record of similiar bets, from the identical IP etc should cause red flags.

Just my 2 cents worth

[daggerkobe]

I bet from my iPhone and never had a problem. I believe that's shared also?

[LVHerbie]

if you're not abusing bonuses or limitis I don't think it should be an issue... so I can bet when I'm on the road based on this rule?

[imgv94]

Just an excuse to kick out winners..

[20Four7]

I was on the road this weekend. All my wagers got graded win or lose from gamebookers, betroyal and pinny. 5dimes and betcris are still pending but I don't expect an issue. Again I believe it's an excuse to steal from winning players and losing players they don't care about since they are losing.