I can't afford to pay back Creditwagering

[daggerkobe]

It was pre-approved from the bank. So yeah, I did. Thx.

OMFG..... somebody please shoot me.

[2Pac]

You do realize this law only applies to the state of Nebraska? Meaning the gambling transaction and the threats must take place in Nebraska?

You got 49 other states to go.....

And you can bet that each of the 49 have laws that are almost identical to this one.

Gambling debts are considered unenforceable in the United States. That's just the way it is. Now eat my dickhair.

[Cannon]

I would not pay them a quarter.

I would have my attorney send them a letter and tell them if they put any heat on you or try to send some agent to collect you will contact the attorney general in your state as well as the FBI up their ass so far they wish they never started ****in with you. These clowns have ties to the US and the feds would love to know about this operation that has locals setttle up internet gambling debts.


Tell them you took a free roll at them and they are ****ed.

[daggerkobe]

And you can bet that each of the 49 have laws that are almost identical to this one.

Gambling debts are considered unenforceable in the United States. That's just the way it is. Now eat my dickhair.

Prove it.

And I don't bet with money I don't have, I leave that to deadbeats like you.

[Cannon]

CW.com won't try to collect. They'll (MAYBE) sell it to a collection agency. The debt is not legal, though, so I doubt any agency would buy it from CW.com. If an agency calls or mails, write them back disputing the debt because it is not a legal debt, and then contact the department of justice.

All CW can do is threaten you. Tell them to **** off and lick your dick hair.

I've almost got the owner of CW tracked down, GoDaddy gave me the name of the server they point to, and I'll soon have the guys info.

These credit books are tied to the owners and mods of this SBR forum to **** you losers out of money on this site.

[daggerkobe]

Btw, retardo...... ever heard of Las Vegas and Atlantic City? Casinos there offer credit lines and have every lawful right to sue and collect gambling debt from welchers like yourself.

[SBR Lou]

Prove it.

And I don't bet with money I don't have, I leave that to deadbeats like you.

2pac is just sad because people don't make him feel better about being a lowlife stiff. He tries to rationalize it in so many different ways, but fails to realize he'd look much better just shutting his mouth. Hell, even saying he's broke and really wants to pay is better than his trivialization of his debt.

[Cannon]

I would **** every credit book that has ties to this site they can't do a ****in thing about collectiing a quarter. They try to put anything on your credit report you can get it removed as they can not put gambling debts on your credit report. Sign up an take free shots then tell them to blow themselves.

[2Pac]

Btw, retardo...... ever heard of Las Vegas and Atlantic City? Casinos there offer credit lines and have every lawful right to sue and collect gambling debt from welchers like yourself.

Those aren't offshore moron and they also require identity verification, and they don't give credit to welchers like me.

[daggerkobe]

Those aren't offshore moron and they also require identity verification, and they don't give credit to welchers like me.

Gambling debts are considered unenforceable in the United States. That's just the way it is. Now eat my dickhair.

[daggerkobe]

2pac is just sad because people don't make him feel better about being a lowlife stiff. He tries to rationalize it in so many different ways, but fails to realize he'd look much better just shutting his mouth. Hell, even saying he's broke and really wants to pay is better than his trivialization of his debt.

Maybe he's a lawyer cause he's doing everything but the right & ethical thing.

[2Pac]

Maybe he's a lawyer cause he's doing everything but the right & ethical thing.

[compaqDikk]

can i use a pobox for my withdrawals? i don't want my S.O. to see how much i'm making

[MJFtheGenius]

CW does not want to here payment plan

they will tell you to shove the payment plan up your ass

You should move to a different country

[picantel]

love all the cw shills in this thread now. All made within the last month. Can we be any more obvious people?

[picantel]

No? No what?

That IS the point. They may not send a thug with a bat to show up at your door to collect but they will do something far worse: ruin your credit for years. Try and apply for cc, car, house, cell phone, etc with a tarnished credit.

Quit your obvious shilling for cw. They cannot put it on your credit report. You could sue the hell out of the credit bureaus and any collection agency dumb enough to try it.

[SBR Lou]

Quit your obvious shilling for cw. They cannot put it on your credit report. You could sue the hell out of the credit bureaus and any collection agency dumb enough to try it.

I hear what you're saying, but I think you're encouraging stiffs. Why does it matter what a collection agency claims it can do, it should never even get that far to where a false statement or intimidation tactic should be issued. All people have to do is pay their debts like it was a bet with a friend or local up the street.

[2Pac]

I think you should continue to be there for him. Gambling is a sickness, just like drugs and alcoholism. There was a time in my life when I used to skirt responsibilities, such as going to work, just so I could drive all day to Vegas to gamble. Getting high from gambling was my life and I didn't care about birthdays, family or friends. I would spend every last dime of my paycheck on gambling instead of responsible stuff such as car payments, utility, food, etc. I was a complete mess.

I'm not like that anymore and I am thankful that my family and friends did not abandon me in my time of darkness. They were always there for me and I thank them for that.

So I think you should continue to be there for him, just don't enable him like giving him gambling money or driving him to the race track. Just be there for him emotionally. It may takes year for him to finally realize that your friendships is more important than gambling, but eventually he will.

Just don't expect anything in return. Even if he were to win $1M, he'll spend it on gambling, not your daughter. That's just the nature of the sickness. It's not personal.

I would think you of all people would understand people stiffing a (scam?) credit book because they don't have the means to pay.

You realize that gambling is a pathological sickness. So when someone cuts up all credit cards, and closes all bank accounts, and even has someone watching their cashflow in order to rid the gambling addiction......and then a free $1000 credit site pops up... I think you would understand why some of us take that. It isn't so much the money as it is the thrill of gambling. I really considered myself a recovering addict and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 3 american bastards decide to open up some fishy book. I couldn't lay off.....

[2Pac]

I hear what you're saying, but I think you're encouraging stiffs. Why does it matter what a collection agency claims it can do, it should never even get that far to where a false statement or intimidation tactic should be issued. All people have to do is pay their debts like it was a bet with a friend or local up the street.

Those are tangible.
None of us know if CW would really pay. I've seen requests for scanned checks posted on here, and yet no one has posted a damn thing. As far as I'm concerned, CW is guilty until proven innocent.

[SBR Lou]

I would think you of all people would understand people stiffing a (scam?) credit book because they don't have the means to pay.

You realize that gambling is a pathological sickness. So when someone cuts up all credit cards, and closes all bank accounts, and even has someone watching their cashflow in order to rid the gambling addiction......and then a free $1000 credit site pops up... I think you would understand why some of us take that. It isn't so much the money as it is the thrill of gambling. I really considered myself a recovering addict and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 3 american bastards decide to open up some fishy book. I couldn't lay off.....

2pac the problem people have with you is your justification of stiffing. You almost glamorize it. We understand you aren't able to pay right now because you haven't got the money, at least that is what you are claiming. But your insistence of discrediting a place that has paid winners is disheartening. This isn't some F book that's been definitively ruled a scam, this is a book with a shady biz model that has so far paid winners.

Can you honestly not get on a payment plan..?

[SBR Lou]

Those are tangible.
None of us know if CW would really pay. I've seen requests for scanned checks posted on here, and yet no one has posted a damn thing. As far as I'm concerned, CW is guilty until proven innocent.

Well you don't have to value my word at all but I've had two checks clear from them, and my boy Iwinyourmoney was paid too..

[picantel]

I hear what you're saying, but I think you're encouraging stiffs. Why does it matter what a collection agency claims it can do, it should never even get that far to where a false statement or intimidation tactic should be issued. All people have to do is pay their debts like it was a bet with a friend or local up the street.

It is like this Crazy. I firmly believe this is a scam in the making. Look at the proof. Maybe they are paying you now but others are starting to come in with missed payments or no payments at all. Explain why they deny the other mirror sites yet those sites, copycats of cw, were made up to 4 years before cw even came into existence. Kimura comes in and states he received payments nobody else gets but refuses to prove it. He leaves suddenly and 2 days later pimike comes in with the exact same story. Once again a new poster who is caught lying though their teeth(remember he gets higher limits and withdrawals than other gamblers). Now you have tons of new posters who only post in the cw threads and defend it.
I am sure you are a smart person. Surely you see something is wrong here. The fall is coming on this scam and it will not be pretty. Once again look at the mirror sites and their claims. Throw in no phone number and their ridiculous excuses why they can't have one. Notice they have not posted one single thread about their business other then sending in their shills. An SBR visit could have helped their legitimacy a million times over yet they refused a visit. Why? If you are a legitimate site why would you not want a forum with the clout of SBR to visit you? They state they have been in business for years with other sites but they refuse to say with whom? Why? If those other sites were good sites you would, once again, legitimize your claims. Why hide the facts unless the facts were lies? Come on look at the whole picture and tell me something is not wrong here.

[SBR Lou]

They paid out through ** initially, and made exceptions where there was a fault on their part. A few posters were upset their requests for a ** w/d were denied, but unless there was a problem with the check (such as Iwins bank placing an extended hold on it) they didn't deviate from their listed payout method. Most books don't.

As for the phone #, you're right it's not listed but they have called players when need be. They aren't interested in being rated at this point, or "competing" with other books. They are just interested in acquiring a customer base that pays, weeding out stiffs, and trying to make profit. With their limits being so small, there hasn't been any need for them to boot any winning player(s). I think you're off base on it being an outright scam, maybe that's because I've been paid, have spoken in great detail with their customer service, and am aware of some of their upcoming biz plans come NFL. Also, for people that go on and on about the SSN# thing, they will no longer be requiring that information for new signups.

I hope they succeed, but if they don't, I would hope they pay till the very end and then fold having at least tried something new. Anyone can dislike their biz plan, but until they stop paying winners I don't think we can discredit them. Many of the players bashing them, for example 2pac, have admitted to owing them cash. The others, i.e. j$ are upset by a check taking 5 business days by regular mail, and launched verbal tirades in 10+ emails to their staff.

[daggerkobe]

Quit your obvious shilling for cw. They cannot put it on your credit report. You could sue the hell out of the credit bureaus and any collection agency dumb enough to try it.

Shilling for CW?

First of all, I would DISCOURAGE anyone from gambling there. Nothing good ever comes of betting with money you don't have.

Secondly, you don't have to sue, you just have to file a dispute. Surprising that an expert like you wouldn't know that.
But filing a dispute doesn't excuse you from the debt if it is legit, which it clearly is here.

[2Pac]

crazyl, i'm sure you've been paid. 99%sure. The place IS being labeled a scam by a source far more reputable than SBR --- the OSGA. As for rating CW, SBR isn't going to rate a credit shop, and CW has stated that SBR is not welcome.

I don't believe these guys are in Costa Rica. I believe they are running this from the US, while routing traffic to CR and spoofing IP addresses. It is simple to do.

There is no way for me to justify stiffing them at this point. I have no proof either way that this is a scam or completely legit. If you go back and read the comments in the first few pages of the CW thread, ganchrow (i think) acknowledges that this is setup like a typical scam.

[2Pac]

Shilling for CW?

First of all, I would DISCOURAGE anyone from gambling there. Nothing good ever comes of betting with money you don't have.

Secondly, you don't have to sue, you just have to file a dispute. Surprising that an expert like you wouldn't know that.
But filing a dispute doesn't excuse you from the debt if it is legit, which it clearly is here.

Suing will get you some $$$$, disputing won't.

[daggerkobe]

I would think you of all people would understand people stiffing a (scam?) credit book because they don't have the means to pay.

You realize that gambling is a pathological sickness. So when someone cuts up all credit cards, and closes all bank accounts, and even has someone watching their cashflow in order to rid the gambling addiction......and then a free $1000 credit site pops up... I think you would understand why some of us take that. It isn't so much the money as it is the thrill of gambling. I really considered myself a recovering addict and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 3 american bastards decide to open up some fishy book. I couldn't lay off.....

Where in the post did I say I stiffed anyone? Even during the height of my addiction, I PAID all my debt. I was never a deadbeat.

This is exactly why I always tell gamblers not to bet with money they can't afford to lose or bet with credit because they can get in deep doodoo. Which is also why I will never join CW because wagering with money you don't have is a very dangerous proposition.

See, had you been honest from the start and admitted you were an addict and couldn't pay rather than the laundry list of excuses, then people would've understood. But you're still a deadbeat unless you pay. If that means getting another job then so be it.

[daggerkobe]

Those are tangible.
None of us know if CW would really pay. I've seen requests for scanned checks posted on here, and yet no one has posted a damn thing. As far as I'm concerned, CW is guilty until proven innocent.

If they're not legit, why would you give them your SS# and play there? They were legit when you joined but as soon as you lost it all, they become a scammer book in your mind. Oh please, had you won, you would be singing a different tune.

Just stop with the lame excuses and take responsibility for your own actions. That's what I did when I was going through my addiction and felt much better.

[j$]

Just thought I would post this...they finally paid me moneygram ...guess they were really done with the situation...I told them in all fairness I would post up that I recieved what they owed me a true person that played there.Guess they cancelled the DHL not sure

[picantel]

Shilling for CW?

First of all, I would DISCOURAGE anyone from gambling there. Nothing good ever comes of betting with money you don't have.

Secondly, you don't have to sue, you just have to file a dispute. Surprising that an expert like you wouldn't know that.
But filing a dispute doesn't excuse you from the debt if it is legit, which it clearly is here.

Lol do you actually think a credit bureau would remove some bogus tradeline just because you disputed it? Half the time they just pretend they disputed and let it stick. I cannot tell you how many times I or other consumers have disputed a tradeline, had it verified, and after a call to the original credit you find out they never even received the dispute to begin with. Sure in order to sue them you have to file a dispute so you have a cause of action under the FCRA but after that you could sue them

[SBR Lou]

Just thought I would post this...they finally paid me moneygram ...guess they were really done with the situation...I told them in all fairness I would post up that I recieved what they owed me a true person that played there.Guess they cancelled the DHL not sure

Not surprised.

A pretty good example. A player that curses them out, sends over 10 emails harassing them to the point that his account is closed, yet his balance is of course rightly honored.

[daggerkobe]

Lol do you actually think a credit bureau would remove some bogus tradeline just because you disputed it? Half the time they just pretend they disputed and let it stick. I cannot tell you how many times I or other consumers have disputed a tradeline, had it verified, and after a call to the original credit you find out they never even received the dispute to begin with. Sure in order to sue them you have to file a dispute so you have a cause of action under the FCRA but after that you could sue them

If they're sooooooooooo bogus, why would you open a line of credit and spend all the money?

You can sue anyone, this is America, afterall. But you better have damn good evidence that what's in the report is false. CW will certainly have their evidence such as your SS#, IP address, DOB, etc. to prove that it's legit.

You know what? I personally believe Best Buy is a scam too. I should go on a shopping spree and charge their cc to the max and stiff them. If they file a negative report, I'll just sue them. Yay!!!!!!

[picantel]

If they're sooooooooooo bogus, why would you open a line of credit and spend all the money?

You can sue anyone, this is America, afterall. But you better have damn good evidence that what's in the report is false. CW will certainly have the evidence such as your SS#, IP address, DOB, etc. to prove that it's legit.

You know what? I personally believe Best Buy is a scam too. I should go on a shopping spree and charge the cc to the max and stiff them. If they file a negative report, I'll just sue them. Yay!!!!!!

Really so CW would actually show up to court and state oh yes your honor this is a legitimate debt here is the proof. The last time I checked people involved in offshore gambling were being arrested for even changing planes in the US.

[j$]

Wow once again my name in your mouth crazyl I had let the whole thing go....Why? Unless u want me start again . We all know u get incentives of some type there...great for u.... so crazyl if my check was sent then later cancelled how come it never showed up in the mail. Nor will it. I never lied about it...but still u continue to ramble on this subject instead of being a good capper. Your nothing more then a wannabe commentator for CW. In fact I will post at this site no longer after tonught. I know a lot of jackasses say that but I truly could care less about this all. But I at least know this about CW now if they are legit. They will take my experience and treat there customers better I think they will be a lot more concious of there payout system also... As it is horrible now... I promised to leave them alone if I got the money they owed and they finally decided to send ** so i also have no cashing prob. I told them I have nothing against u from this point GL to your bussiness. But i have no doubt in my mind that I would not have gotten paid had I not gone to these lengths and it definately wouldn't have been sent **... I mean they agreed they made a boo boo on my first check sent as it was never sent out.... Im done on the subject 4 life... But if nothing I know in the future if they are legit they will treat people better and more people will be paid and quicker and only time will tell

[j$]

your such a phucking circus clown crazyl u really are.... Seems your dumb ass always has something to say on the subject get a girl or a life you loser... All you are is a fake ass commentator but no one cares what u say