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  • Winner_13
    SBR MVP
    • 01-04-10
    • 1744

    #141
    justin give us the answer!
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    • PRC
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 10-22-09
      • 576

      #142
      Originally posted by G's pks
      Great answer... what makes the books love guys like you...
      Let's see, if you're a 54% handicapper (as justin's spreadsheet indicates), would you rather make a lot of plays or few plays?
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      • dvsbmx
        SBR Sharp
        • 03-30-10
        • 320

        #143
        Tout your plays instead of betting them yourself!!!
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        • magynuck
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 09-17-09
          • 891

          #144
          yes 73 games on a busy sat/sun is way too small
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          • goblue12
            SBR MVP
            • 02-08-09
            • 1316

            #145
            A unit should be a % of your current bankroll.

            When you go on losing streaks, you tighten up because you have less to lose.

            When you go on winning streaks, you increase your stake per wager.
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            • COYLO
              SBR MVP
              • 10-18-10
              • 2844

              #146
              yeah ive got them today must have been something i ate last nite.. oh sorry wrong runs lol
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              • sideloaded
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-21-10
                • 7561

                #147
                Pavyracer please post more excellent advice in this thread. LMAO. Why did you high tail it out of here so quick?
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                • DeluxeLiner
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-29-08
                  • 4132

                  #148
                  Originally posted by Justin7

                  This is true if you are betting into openers. What if you want to bet more than opening limits allow?
                  You can parlay the opener with a large moneyline favorite to put more money on the game and circumvent the opening limits
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                  • Celery
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 12-15-09
                    • 11

                    #149
                    Originally posted by Justin7
                    For the same reason I've done about 100 videos -- to help people do better at sports betting.
                    The CBB market seems to have almost no respect for your posted picks, do you care?
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                    • d2bets
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 39995

                      #150
                      Originally posted by FourLengthsClear
                      to go 26-46 or worse on 53% outcomes in about 1 in 350.
                      So this should happen once every 350 3-day periods in CBB. CBB is a 4-month season, so around 40 of those. So this should happen once every 9 CBB seasons or so.

                      Now what are the chances that these picks were not pulled from a 53% bucket? Nobody's perfect.
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                      • FourLengthsClear
                        SBR MVP
                        • 12-29-10
                        • 3808

                        #151
                        Originally posted by d2bets
                        So this should happen once every 350 3-day periods in CBB. CBB is a 4-month season, so around 40 of those. So this should happen once every 9 CBB seasons or so.

                        Now what are the chances that these picks were not pulled from a 53% bucket? Nobody's perfect.
                        Very true but I responded to a poster who mentioned a 53% weighted-coin.
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                        • durito
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 07-03-06
                          • 13173

                          #152
                          Why is this in s&i ?
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                          • Justin7
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 07-31-06
                            • 8577

                            #153
                            Originally posted by durito
                            Why is this in s&i ?
                            Over-moderation? *shrug*
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                            • Justin7
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 07-31-06
                              • 8577

                              #154
                              Originally posted by DeluxeLiner
                              You can parlay the opener with a large moneyline favorite to put more money on the game and circumvent the opening limits
                              Or you can round-robin your plays in clumps of 8 with each other. And bonus churn. Or earn loyalty points. Or rebates on volume. Or ... nm.
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                              • PRC
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 10-22-09
                                • 576

                                #155
                                Originally posted by Celery
                                The CBB market seems to have almost no respect for your posted picks, do you care?
                                He does fairly well BTCL from what I've seen.
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                                • fishmonger
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 12-31-08
                                  • 1492

                                  #156
                                  How many good runs have you gone on? I see from your spread sheet that you have had a few.
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                                  • alukk
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-29-09
                                    • 1544

                                    #157
                                    How do you select your plays?
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                                    • big0mar
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-09-09
                                      • 3374

                                      #158
                                      Justin were you ever going to share your opinion on what the right answer should be????
                                      [B][B]They key isn't getting rich quick. The key is getting rich slowly, and enjoying it.

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                                      • cyberbabble
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 08-30-10
                                        • 772

                                        #159
                                        If these are the only bets you made using this model/scheme, stop betting. Since this run started in Feb., you probably had bets before these. Take all the bets using this model (only real money bets, paper bets don't count) and calculate your performance metrics - BTCL%, win%, W/L record - for all of the bets. You had some threshold level that you compared to a performance metric to decide to start betting. Is your performance metric, based on all bets, still OK relative to the threshold value? If so keep betting. If not, stop betting. If a lower performance metric requires smaller or fewer bets, do that.

                                        For psychological reasons, it may be good to cut back. At some point, the poor performance may affect decision making. Make smaller bets. Cut back on the number of bets. If your model ranks the picks, use the top half of the ranked picks. Otherwise flip a coin to decide which picks to bet and which to pass.
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                                        • Dark Horse
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-14-05
                                          • 13764

                                          #160
                                          The number of plays the person bets over a longer period of time should be factored in. A person that bets 100 games in 3 months and is 20-45 after two months has a problem. But a person that bets 3000 games in the same period can shrug off the 20-45.

                                          The question remains if and where you would draw the line.
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                                          • jhol3990
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 09-09-08
                                            • 45

                                            #161
                                            And the answer is .... ?
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                                            • cant call it
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 08-29-10
                                              • 8817

                                              #162
                                              do what you do. If you are indeed good at it , you will succeed.
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                                              • P.F.Kasooff
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-13-10
                                                • 1903

                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by goblue12

                                                A unit should be a % of your current bankroll.

                                                When you go on losing streaks, you tighten up because you have less to lose.

                                                When you go on winning streaks, you increase your stake per wager.

                                                That sounds good and many people repeat it but how many bettors do it?
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                                                • 20Four7
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 04-08-07
                                                  • 6703

                                                  #164
                                                  I was happy I was fading you..... still reading your book should be interesting when I'm done.
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                                                  • Lo$t
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 06-03-10
                                                    • 787

                                                    #165
                                                    Izzo any number.
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                                                    • allin1
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 11-07-11
                                                      • 4555

                                                      #166
                                                      So basically if you know what is your winning percentage that you expect to hit in the long run then you should be able to detect when your "so called losing streak" is actually a bigger deviation than you would expect from your overall performance.

                                                      To make a long post short: it all comes down to the standard deviation/sigma?
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                                                      • mathdotcom
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-24-08
                                                        • 11689

                                                        #167
                                                        Originally posted by Justin7
                                                        3 day spell: 26-46-1, -23.39 units.

                                                        What do you guys do when you hit a run like this? (This is a serious question, and there is a "right" answer I am looking for).

                                                        A lot of sharps have had a brutal couple of weeks on NCAABB. Steam on NCAABB 2Hs is probably 15-85 the past few days. Keep your head up and maybe follow jjgold for a while.
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                                                        • rfr3sh
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-07-09
                                                          • 10229

                                                          #168
                                                          fade mathy
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                                                          • EaglesPhan36
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 12-06-06
                                                            • 71662

                                                            #169
                                                            The smart answer would be to reduce your wager size until you begin to see yourself going back in the right direction. The actual answer is staying the course and hating life.
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                                                            • brahmabull117
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 11-08-10
                                                              • 8622

                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by iceminers26
                                                              IMO, lower units, when running bad I feel you should lalways ower your units until you regain your confidence. Every player will go through ruts like this from time to time and if you can manage the overall damage during these rough patches, it will increase your annual profits.
                                                              Why do people hit such awful streak anyways???


                                                              Do they lose their confidence and start making questionable plays???


                                                              I mean I'm no gambling god but I've never had worse than like an 1-6 type streak
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                                                              • moses millsap
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 08-25-05
                                                                • 8289

                                                                #171
                                                                Change nothing.
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                                                                • brahmabull117
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 11-08-10
                                                                  • 8622

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by cyberbabble
                                                                  For psychological reasons, it may be good to cut back. At some point, the poor performance may affect decision making. Make smaller bets. Cut back on the number of bets. If your model ranks the picks, use the top half of the ranked picks. Otherwise flip a coin to decide which picks to bet and which to pass.





                                                                  I always take a break off gambling for a few days if I go on a rough streak



                                                                  gambling while you're frustrated/miserable = terrible decision making
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                                                                  • AlwaysDrawing
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 11-20-09
                                                                    • 657

                                                                    #173
                                                                    The answer is clearly to stop posting in your SBR spreadsheet.
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                                                                    • ManBearPig
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 12-04-08
                                                                      • 2473

                                                                      #174
                                                                      If you're confident that your methods are winning methods, eg above breakeven, you should ride the wave and attribute it to variance because everyone experiences it. Don't over bet and even reduce units amounts in the meantime depending on your MM strategy. If your a numbers guy, which you are, then you look at your model/system/logic to look for holes that you could've missed or have popped up recently, especially for a new season. I don't think there is a single right answer here as everyone is different in their methods

                                                                      BTW...is this a test?
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                                                                      • allin1
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 11-07-11
                                                                        • 4555

                                                                        #175
                                                                        With a normal distribution you would expect to have a 36% success rate run in less than 5% of the time considering the standard deviation (sigma) around 5. What would I do in a case like this if I really hit a run like that(36%)? I would keep betting aggressively with kelly.

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